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If there’s a will, there’s Wilyer — Wilyer Abreu thread
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Post by lonborgski on May 13, 2023 7:47:24 GMT -5
Wilyer Abreu—what do we have here? Seems to be putting it together at AAA, but another left handed hitting outfielder?
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Post by crossedsabres8 on May 13, 2023 8:05:45 GMT -5
After last night he actually has a higher BA and an OPS just 2 points lower than Hamilton. I imagine his wOBA is higher too since he'll have more walks/less slugging than Hamilton.
I was thinking about the possibility of him being called up, but then I checked and he's a lefty. It seems wild how many lefties the Sox have, especially in their depth.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on May 13, 2023 8:35:54 GMT -5
Nice problem to have if Verdugo extensions talks go poorly. Chaim should have some ammunition to work with this deadline and winter with more talent making its way to AA and above considering teams are targeting high minor guys in trades these days.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on May 13, 2023 8:53:22 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 13, 2023 9:04:12 GMT -5
Nice problem to have if Verdugo extensions talks go poorly. Chaim should have some ammunition to work with this deadline and winter with more talent making its way to AA and above considering teams are targeting high minor guys in trades these days. Not that I’m in a rush to trade him but his proximity boosting his trade value was absolutely something that also came to mind for me
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 13, 2023 9:49:27 GMT -5
It's also possible that the outfield could be Verdugo, Duran, and Abreu next season with Yoshida at DH
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Post by incandenza on May 13, 2023 10:01:38 GMT -5
It's also possible that the outfield could be Verdugo, Duran, and Abreu next season with Yoshida at DH I like Abreu but I think he'd really have to take off to be handed a starting OF position in 2024. Could see him in the Tapia role though.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 13, 2023 10:27:27 GMT -5
Even if he obliterates AAA it's going to be hard for him to be more of a September call up on this roster. Let him cook down there and we'll see what we have at the end of the year. There's OF playing time up for grabs on next year's team.
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Post by bosoxnation on May 13, 2023 10:28:05 GMT -5
If this guy becomes a starter which I think he will, that Vazquez trade looks amazing. Bloom seems to have had his best year of trading and free agent signing. Now all we need is a few more prospects to boom preferably SP and we’re looking like we have something for a long time brewing here.
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Post by incandenza on May 13, 2023 10:47:33 GMT -5
If this guy becomes a starter which I think he will, that Vazquez trade looks amazing. Bloom seems to have had his best year of trading and free agent signing. Now all we need is a few more prospects to boom preferably SP and we’re looking like we have something for a long time brewing here. His handling of the trade deadline last year really was a masterstroke. I'm not ready to pencil in either Valdez or Abreu as starters, but even so, between them, McGuire, and Broadway, they added as much talent as I might have expected if they had been punting on the season by trading Eovaldi, JDM, etc. The fact that they added that much talent while improving the 2022 team is just bananas.
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Post by soxin8 on May 13, 2023 11:23:39 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on May 13, 2023 12:44:58 GMT -5
It’s all going to boil down to his K rate IMO. I’ll draw the line in the sand at ~23%. Over that, I think it’ll be tough to stick (assuming he ends up in RF). He’s a plus athlete which I think bodes well for him development wise. I do like him though and again, that trade was money from the jump.
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Post by nomarian on Aug 14, 2023 22:36:51 GMT -5
Should he be the next man up
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Post by jimoh on Aug 15, 2023 6:16:57 GMT -5
How does an Abreu/Refsynder platoon in RF look? Or even LF. This year Abreu is .266.390.532.922 vs RHP, and .274.343.484.827 vs LHP.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 15, 2023 6:46:06 GMT -5
How does an Abreu/Refsynder platoon in RF look? Or even LF. This year Abreu is .266.390.532.922 vs RHP, and .274.343.484.827 vs LHP. This is not a commentary on Abreu specifically or even the above post, but I think when salivating over the numbers the minor leaguers are putting up in AAA, the air needs to be let out of them, and vice versa on the pitching side as Chris Murphy is showing. Worcester must be a rough place to pitch. Right now Rafaela, Abreu, and Dalbec look like monsters,plug them into the majors and watch them mash. I suspect the dropoff in Boston would be large. That was said at some point Abreu should get a shot. The Sox will add righty Rafaela but he'll displace Turner who is likely gone after this season. They'd be very lefty heavy with Abreu. I think Duvall could be back on a reasonable 2 year deal. But with his health track record that could open up playing time for Abreu in a platoon with Refsnyder in RF and Abreu would fit the profile of a Fenway RF more than Duran would as he's much better off in LF. I'd be worried that Abreu woul still struggle to hit. 220 but he would take his walks and mix in some HRs for a respectable OPS. If the Sox are going to throw a lot of money at Yamamoto or more likely Blake Snell, then I'm sure that a low cost option like bringing Duvall back would be Plan A and having an Abreu/Refsnyder platoon would be Plan B. I dont expect an Abreu/Duvallplatoon simply because whoever is managing the 2024 lineup will want to have a second RH power bat in the lineup other than Story. While I do think Rafaela would smack 12 - 15 HRs and Wong can do likewise they'll need more RH thump in the lineup and when healthy Duvall can top 30 HRs, but when not...that's where Abreu comes in even if it does give them 6 lefties in the lineup.
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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2023 7:55:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't be comfortable penciling him into a starting spot (even in a platoon role), but every team needs depth outfielders with options and some upside, so I'd start there with Abreu.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 15, 2023 7:59:45 GMT -5
Was going to come and say the same thing as jmei. Abreu doesn't make a whole lot of sense as a penciled in starter even in a platoon for a team with the financial might of the Sox who have playoff aspirations. As he stated as a depth OF with options sure maybe he can be a surprise emergency call up but let him stay there if he's still in the org after this offseason.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 15, 2023 8:05:23 GMT -5
It's worth noting that his arm is a real asset. I wouldn't put him in center for more than a few innings if it was necessary, but his instincts and range are good enough that right field wouldn't be a hesitation, even in Fenway.
He also seems to talk to himself quite a bit, so you know I'm going to love that.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Aug 15, 2023 9:13:31 GMT -5
How does an Abreu/Refsynder platoon in RF look? Or even LF. This year Abreu is .266.390.532.922 vs RHP, and .274.343.484.827 vs LHP. This is not a commentary on Abreu specifically or even the above post, but I think when salivating over the numbers the minor leaguers are putting up in AAA, the air needs to be let out of them, and vice versa on the pitching side as Chris Murphy is showing. Worcester must be a rough place to pitch. Right now Rafaela, Abreu, and Dalbec look like monsters,plug them into the majors and watch them mash. I suspect the dropoff in Boston would be large. That was said at some point Abreu should get a shot. The Sox will add righty Rafaela but he'll displace Turner who is likely gone after this season. They'd be very lefty heavy with Abreu. I think Duvall could be back on a reasonable 2 year deal. But with his health track record that could open up playing time for Abreu in a platoon with Refsnyder in RF and Abreu would fit the profile of a Fenway RF more than Duran would as he's much better off in LF. I'd be worried that Abreu woul still struggle to hit. 220 but he would take his walks and mix in some HRs for a respectable OPS. If the Sox are going to throw a lot of money at Yamamoto or more likely Blake Snell, then I'm sure that a low cost option like bringing Duvall back would be Plan A and having an Abreu/Refsnyder platoon would be Plan B. I dont expect an Abreu/Duvallplatoon simply because whoever is managing the 2024 lineup will want to have a second RH power bat in the lineup other than Story. While I do think Rafaela would smack 12 - 15 HRs and Wong can do likewise they'll need more RH thump in the lineup and when healthy Duvall can top 30 HRs, but when not...that's where Abreu comes in even if it does give them 6 lefties in the lineup. Hearing a lot about park effect inflating the Sox AAA hitters lately and not just from this poster. So I looked up the away stats for the three players mentioned above. If I am looking at the correct stats, the road OPS's for these 3 players are as follows: Rafaela 1.107 Dalbec 1.017 Abreu .791 While Abreu's OPS is significantly lower on the road, Rafaela's and Dalbec's are not. So maybe the park effect is not helping Rafaela and Dalbec that much.
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Post by jchang on Aug 15, 2023 10:08:46 GMT -5
Hearing a lot about park effect inflating the Sox AAA hitters lately and not just from this poster. So I looked up the away stats for the three players mentioned above. If I am looking at the correct stats, the road OPS's for these 3 players are as follows: Rafaela 1.107 Dalbec 1.017 Abreu .791 While Abreu's OPS is significantly lower on the road, Rafaela's and Dalbec's are not. So maybe the park effect is not helping Rafaela and Dalbec that much. ok, but Wilyer's OPS was 0.802 prior to the last home stand, 6 HRs later, its 0.901, let me see what the split was prior to last 6 games edit: prior to last 6, Wilyer's home OPS was 0.815, away is 0.791 as shown above 6 HRs is 6 games can do wonders for a prospect's OPS!
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Aug 15, 2023 11:13:15 GMT -5
How does an Abreu/Refsynder platoon in RF look? Or even LF. This year Abreu is .266.390.532.922 vs RHP, and .274.343.484.827 vs LHP. This is not a commentary on Abreu specifically or even the above post, but I think when salivating over the numbers the minor leaguers are putting up in AAA, the air needs to be let out of them, and vice versa on the pitching side as Chris Murphy is showing. Worcester must be a rough place to pitch. Right now Rafaela, Abreu, and Dalbec look like monsters,plug them into the majors and watch them mash. I suspect the dropoff in Boston would be large. That was said at some point Abreu should get a shot. The Sox will add righty Rafaela but he'll displace Turner who is likely gone after this season. They'd be very lefty heavy with Abreu. I think Duvall could be back on a reasonable 2 year deal. But with his health track record that could open up playing time for Abreu in a platoon with Refsnyder in RF and Abreu would fit the profile of a Fenway RF more than Duran would as he's much better off in LF. I'd be worried that Abreu woul still struggle to hit. 220 but he would take his walks and mix in some HRs for a respectable OPS. If the Sox are going to throw a lot of money at Yamamoto or more likely Blake Snell, then I'm sure that a low cost option like bringing Duvall back would be Plan A and having an Abreu/Refsnyder platoon would be Plan B. I dont expect an Abreu/Duvallplatoon simply because whoever is managing the 2024 lineup will want to have a second RH power bat in the lineup other than Story. While I do think Rafaela would smack 12 - 15 HRs and Wong can do likewise they'll need more RH thump in the lineup and when healthy Duvall can top 30 HRs, but when not...that's where Abreu comes in even if it does give them 6 lefties in the lineup. Why is it more likely they throw money at Snell than Yamamoto?
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 15, 2023 11:40:04 GMT -5
Why is it more likely they throw money at Snell than Yamamoto? The influence of Wilyer Abreu is far-reaching and often inscrutable.
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2023 12:03:10 GMT -5
This is not a commentary on Abreu specifically or even the above post, but I think when salivating over the numbers the minor leaguers are putting up in AAA, the air needs to be let out of them, and vice versa on the pitching side as Chris Murphy is showing. Worcester must be a rough place to pitch. Right now Rafaela, Abreu, and Dalbec look like monsters,plug them into the majors and watch them mash. I suspect the dropoff in Boston would be large. That was said at some point Abreu should get a shot. The Sox will add righty Rafaela but he'll displace Turner who is likely gone after this season. They'd be very lefty heavy with Abreu. I think Duvall could be back on a reasonable 2 year deal. But with his health track record that could open up playing time for Abreu in a platoon with Refsnyder in RF and Abreu would fit the profile of a Fenway RF more than Duran would as he's much better off in LF. I'd be worried that Abreu woul still struggle to hit. 220 but he would take his walks and mix in some HRs for a respectable OPS. If the Sox are going to throw a lot of money at Yamamoto or more likely Blake Snell, then I'm sure that a low cost option like bringing Duvall back would be Plan A and having an Abreu/Refsnyder platoon would be Plan B. I dont expect an Abreu/Duvallplatoon simply because whoever is managing the 2024 lineup will want to have a second RH power bat in the lineup other than Story. While I do think Rafaela would smack 12 - 15 HRs and Wong can do likewise they'll need more RH thump in the lineup and when healthy Duvall can top 30 HRs, but when not...that's where Abreu comes in even if it does give them 6 lefties in the lineup. Why is it more likely they throw money at Snell than Yamamoto? Yeah I don’t see it. Snell doesn’t throw enough strikes to commit the contract he’ll require and he’ll cost a draft pick A Refsnyder/Abreu platoon should get on base a bunch if all goes well with Wilyer’s eventual move up
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 15, 2023 12:23:08 GMT -5
I don't see next man up given a certain teammate he's playing with. Yeah you don't pencil him into a starting spot either, but he should be given a chance as a 4th OF or traded. He's earned a chance to see what he can do in majors, we just have a ton of OF now.
If you believe he's a good 4th OF or more, it makes trading Verdugo easier and saves you money from having to go sign a Duval.
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Post by tedf on Aug 15, 2023 12:32:11 GMT -5
The concern with Abreu has been quality of contact. That is looking up right now, but too soon to be certain it sticks. Looking like at least a depth OF, though.
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