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Post by kwodes on Aug 23, 2023 10:52:57 GMT -5
I love Casas but thats a tough to deal to turn down. Easy deal to turn down. For Miami. I agree, it's more a thought exercise of would it make our team as a whole better to move Devers to 1st and trade casas to improve elsewhere. Eury was just the name I came up with, not the specific target.
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Post by pappyman99 on Aug 23, 2023 11:44:54 GMT -5
I love Casas but thats a tough to deal to turn down. Easy deal to turn down. For Miami. Yeah, need like Rafaela, Casas, Yorke, Crawford. I think that’s the only way marlins even perk their ears up on any sort of potential Perez trade
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Post by bluechip on Aug 23, 2023 13:21:44 GMT -5
Plus if we got to the point where Casas was going to move to DH for Devers, the easy solution is to trade Yoshida. His contract isn’t that big and I’m sure there’s a contender over the LT that would love to add his bat to their roster. I don’t think moving a bat with a cathedral ceiling like Casas is prudent for a team that only has one great long term bat besides him. Anyway, back to Abreu. It would be really nice if he ended up being able to replace Verdugo in 2025. The walks and power give his bat a higher realistic ceiling IMO. Verdugo is looking like he’ll never develop the thump or patience he needed to be a star, but Abreu still needs to prove he won’t strike out 30% of the time too. I’m curious to see how his defense grades out in the MLB. I like his batted ball pattern in comparison to some higher rated prospects who have came to the MLB and struggled to hit for the power they showed in the minors (Alek Thomas, Brett Baty, etc). To keep this on topic somewhat: I like what Yoshida does with the bat, but Abreu might be a better fit on the team as he plays a serviceable corner outfield and has a cannon for an arm. It might make sense to move Yoshida (and I really like him as a player), but Abreu in left then either Casas or Devers at DH. Devers is not tradeable with that contract, and Casas has more potential and is cheaper than Yoshida.
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Aug 23, 2023 14:03:33 GMT -5
not saying I would do this, but do you move Devers to 1st and trade casas for a young controllable ace (eury perez?)? I, for one, have no interest in watching Devers butcher scoops and attempt footwork around the bag. It might end up being more infuriating than his third base defense. Casas is certainly a bad defender, but he at least receives the ball well. This is off topic though. Thought Wilyer looked great at the plate his first night. I’m bullish on him eventually being a platoon bat! Agreed. I think the only position that might make sense for Devers outside DH is 2B. But the more I think about it, the more he probably should go to DH. Let's him focus solely on hitting and eliminates the wear from playing 3B. I get he's getting paid alot but if moving him to DH unlocks that next level for him at the plate then I think that is the play. He's likely never going to be a value add at 3B.
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Post by keninten on Aug 23, 2023 15:08:32 GMT -5
I, for one, have no interest in watching Devers butcher scoops and attempt footwork around the bag. It might end up being more infuriating than his third base defense. Casas is certainly a bad defender, but he at least receives the ball well. This is off topic though. Thought Wilyer looked great at the plate his first night. I’m bullish on him eventually being a platoon bat! Agreed. I think the only position that might make sense for Devers outside DH is 2B. But the more I think about it, the more he probably should go to DH. Let's him focus solely on hitting and eliminates the wear from playing 3B. I get he's getting paid alot but if moving him to DH unlocks that next level for him at the plate then I think that is the play. He's likely never going to be a value add at 3B. I keep thinking I`d like to see him try 2B. It`s turning the DP that I`m not sure he could do. To have his bat at 2B would be killer.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 23, 2023 15:18:53 GMT -5
Oooook y'all. Wilyer Abreu.
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Post by soxfanatic on Aug 23, 2023 15:38:43 GMT -5
Two batted balls in and he's already in the 45th percentile for max EV.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Aug 23, 2023 21:40:53 GMT -5
I wonder if Abreu makes Duran more trade able in a big deal
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Post by marrcus on Aug 23, 2023 23:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by seamus on Aug 24, 2023 11:12:32 GMT -5
Loving what I'm seeing from Wilyer so far. I particularly liked that ball he cut off in the corner last night to hold the batter to a single on what absolutely looked like a double off the bat. I think trading Verdugo in the offseason is near certainty, and if Abreu can be playable guy, that takes pressure off Rafaela to come up and be a stud right away.
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Post by pappyman99 on Aug 24, 2023 12:41:53 GMT -5
Loving what I'm seeing from Wilyer so far. I particularly liked that ball he cut off in the corner last night to hold the batter to a single on what absolutely looked like a double off the bat. I think trading Verdugo in the offseason is near certainty, and if Abreu can be playable guy, that takes pressure off Rafaela to come up and be a stud right away. I mean I'll be honest, I think he can be better than Verdugo offesnively
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Post by seamus on Aug 24, 2023 13:26:26 GMT -5
Loving what I'm seeing from Wilyer so far. I particularly liked that ball he cut off in the corner last night to hold the batter to a single on what absolutely looked like a double off the bat. I think trading Verdugo in the offseason is near certainty, and if Abreu can be playable guy, that takes pressure off Rafaela to come up and be a stud right away. I mean I'll be honest, I think he can be better than Verdugo offesnively The potential is certainly there as long as he can make enough contact to reach his power. Of course, much as I like to rag on Dugie and think he should be traded this offseason, I have to admit that he's solidly entrenched in that 105-110 OPS+/wRC+ range, which would be a pretty good outcome for even a bat-first prospect (at least one outside the Top 100).
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Post by larrycook on Aug 24, 2023 16:00:03 GMT -5
I mean I'll be honest, I think he can be better than Verdugo offesnively The potential is certainly there as long as he can make enough contact to reach his power. Of course, much as I like to rag on Dugie and think he should be traded this offseason, I have to admit that he's solidly entrenched in that 105-110 OPS+/wRC+ range, which would be a pretty good outcome for even a bat-first prospect (at least one outside the Top 100). Is verdugo a clubhouse cancer?
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Post by jdb on Aug 24, 2023 16:08:26 GMT -5
I think we should pump the brakes a tad but with that being said I’d be perfectly fine going into 2024 with a Duvall/Abreu platoon in RF.
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Post by jmei on Aug 24, 2023 16:12:28 GMT -5
The potential is certainly there as long as he can make enough contact to reach his power. Of course, much as I like to rag on Dugie and think he should be traded this offseason, I have to admit that he's solidly entrenched in that 105-110 OPS+/wRC+ range, which would be a pretty good outcome for even a bat-first prospect (at least one outside the Top 100). Is verdugo a clubhouse cancer? Why would you make this comment in a thread on Wilyer Abreu? Let's please stay on topic here.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 24, 2023 16:18:46 GMT -5
Geez, I was vaguely aware he's been hot lately but didn't realize he has nearly a 1.500 OPS in August. And it has stayed at 1.488 in the majors so far.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 24, 2023 16:26:26 GMT -5
My guess is that Wilyer's massive heater will move to the offseason projections enough that he'll rate as an acceptable strong side platoon player on a team trying to win.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 24, 2023 16:31:35 GMT -5
WET BLANKET ALERT: I believe in no prospect until the league makes adjustments and then they show that they can adjust back. A hot start is never a bad thing, but let's see him get over the Middlebrooks Hump before we trade away proven starters to hand him the job.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 24, 2023 16:49:28 GMT -5
WET BLANKET ALERT: I believe in no prospect until the league makes adjustments and then they show that they can adjust back. A hot start is never a bad thing, but let's see him get over the Middlebrooks Hump before we trade away proven starters to hand him the job. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Middlebrooks
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Post by pappyman99 on Aug 24, 2023 17:01:28 GMT -5
The problem is Will Middlebrooks always had red flags. Bad walk rates, high K-rates.
Abreu's walk rates have been consistently very strong, a skill set that translates very well into the MLB. He has also been trending in the right direction K-rate wise
.260/.360 obp with 20-25 homeruns. Its no automatic or expected that he will do that. But it is a very realistic projection and that is exciting. I hate on him but props to Bloom on the Vazquez trade.
Then again I liked the logic of that trade just wish it was applied to many more players last year and this year.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 27, 2023 10:18:29 GMT -5
I don’t know about you guys but this is art in my book.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 27, 2023 12:06:38 GMT -5
I don’t know about you guys but this is art in my book. Certainly isn't sustainable at that rate but if he can channel that type of plate discipline it's not hard to see how he can have a nice mlb career.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 27, 2023 12:42:57 GMT -5
Great start to his career. Obviously he will cool off. Hopefully the hit streak continues through the stretch run.
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Post by tedf on Aug 28, 2023 20:08:51 GMT -5
Congrats to the new father!
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Post by nonothing on Sept 9, 2023 20:50:08 GMT -5
So... how good is his defense? Better or worse than Duran? Not trying to start a trade discussion -- just curious if he is MLB average or better at fielding and routes to the ball/ability to make plays on the catching side specifically (vs his arm)? Ty!
(I agree with comments above about not getting too excited about offense until pitchers have had a chance to adjust to him, but curious about the certainty of defensive contribution.)
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