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Post by awalkinthepark on Oct 16, 2024 9:56:44 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this but I found this quote by Sam Kennedy in the latest 310 to left to be pretty interesting:
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 16, 2024 10:15:07 GMT -5
I have been expecting that the farm is going to take a fair hit this offseason, that quote reinforces that thought even more. I've been saying that I expect at least one trade that is going to really hurt and expecting that would mean that at least one of the big 4 is gone by opening day. My guess is Mayer is gone this offseason, while I won't say sure thing I find it increasingly likely. Campbell being dealt wouldn't surprise me at this point either. I feel like Anthony is probably/hopefully off limits and that they have been dragging their feet on upgrading C so Teel probably is off limits too.
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Post by asm18 on Oct 16, 2024 10:22:27 GMT -5
A cynical person might suggest they prefer trading prospect capital so they don't have to spend money...
That Kennedy quote combined with his reticence (to put it mildly) to discuss payroll would seem to suggest to me that the plan is to: stay under the CBT, likely avoid any large contracts unless they reeeeeally like somebody, and then have Craig harass the other GM's for trades for four months. The 2024 MLB Winter Meetings will take place in Dallas, Texas from December 8–11 - let's get lit
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Post by johnnygooch on Oct 16, 2024 10:23:02 GMT -5
Just announced that Yoshida had right shoulder labral repair surgery on the 3rd. 3-4 months recovery time so hopefully ready for spring training. Very little chance we trade him now which is fine imo.
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Post by nomar on Oct 16, 2024 10:29:20 GMT -5
Just announced that Yoshida had right shoulder labral repair surgery on the 3rd. 3-4 months recovery time so hopefully ready for spring training. Very little chance we trade him now which is fine imo. This is not ideal IMO. He was a logical trade candidate and it locks up the DH spot which gives them way less room for creativity with the roster. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 16, 2024 10:35:05 GMT -5
A cynical person might suggest they prefer trading prospect capital so they don't have to spend money...That Kennedy quote combined with his reticence (to put it mildly) to discuss payroll would seem to suggest to me that the plan is to: stay under the CBT, likely avoid any large contracts unless they reeeeeally like somebody, and then have Craig harass the other GM's for trades for four months. The 2024 MLB Winter Meetings will take place in Dallas, Texas from December 8–11 - let's get lit I think they're going to do both so I'm not on the cynical side of this but frankly I can't really blame anyone who doesn't believe they'd sign say Fried to 6-7 year deal at 25-30M per based off recent history with them and FA pitchers. I think they will make a real run at and will secure one of Burnes/Fried/Snell though and will deal Mayer in a trade for another impact player. Take the 2024 roster and add two impact veteran players to it and it's almost assuredly a playoff team and maybe even a team that makes a run at the division. |
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 16, 2024 10:36:48 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, there was some hints at the end of the season that Yoshida and the Red Sox medical staff had been at odds over this during the season. Yoshida felt he needed surgery and the Sox prolonged it. If true, they negatively impacted the off-season and 2025 season.
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Post by gerry on Oct 16, 2024 10:38:29 GMT -5
Just announced that Yoshida had right shoulder labral repair surgery on the 3rd. 3-4 months recovery time so hopefully ready for spring training. Very little chance we trade him now which is fine imo. Between the swollen hand and wonky shoulder he managed a decent run as macho man hitting machine. 2025 could be his typical exercise of getting on base, moving the line, driving runners in, and even scoring a bunch if those hitting behind him remember those skills. |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Oct 16, 2024 10:39:03 GMT -5
Just announced that Yoshida had right shoulder labral repair surgery on the 3rd. 3-4 months recovery time so hopefully ready for spring training. Very little chance we trade him now which is fine imo. This is not ideal IMO. He was a logical trade candidate and it locks up the DH spot which gives them way less room for creativity with the roster. I know it is a stretch but maybe with a repaired shoulder Masa could throw better and make Cora less reluctant to put him in LF some days. |
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Post by asm18 on Oct 16, 2024 10:39:04 GMT -5
August: .326/.381/.516, 149 wRC+ September: .225/.295/.338, 77 wRC+ Wonder when the original injury happened because he was still scorching through the beginning of September. Does this change their approach (if at all) on bringing back someone like O'Neill? I don't see any reason to believe Yoshida can't be ready for Spring Training with that timeline, but I guess we don't know the full details. Someone who CAN respectably DH outside of playing the field might be useful to consider this winter. EDIT: "Speaking to Japanese reporters before Boston’s final game, he said the shoulder injury had been nagging since spring training." - www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/10/red-sox-dh-has-shoulder-surgery-further-complicating-future-in-boston.html |
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Post by johnnygooch on Oct 16, 2024 10:44:42 GMT -5
Just announced that Yoshida had right shoulder labral repair surgery on the 3rd. 3-4 months recovery time so hopefully ready for spring training. Very little chance we trade him now which is fine imo. This is not ideal IMO. He was a logical trade candidate and it locks up the DH spot which gives them way less room for creativity with the roster. A player injury is never ideal. I understand wanting to trade him to free up the DH spot, but when he looked good the past couple years it was great. Even when he was struggling and hurt at the very beginning of the year and down the stretch he was still the best hitter on the team with 300+ ABs at not whiffing, striking out, or chasing. If he has a full healthy season there is a chance that he is the hitter we saw for half of the season in 2023. Even if he doesn't quite reach his production from that stretch, he can still rebuild some trade value and make it so any team that potentially wants him only has him for two years instead of three. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 16, 2024 10:45:56 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, there was some hints at the end of the season that Yoshida and the Red Sox medical staff had been at odds over this during the season. Yoshida felt he needed surgery and the Sox prolonged it. If true, they negatively impacted the off-season and 2025 season. This was reportedly over his thumb issue. Sox told him he didn't need surgery and Boras told him to get second and third opinions. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 18, 2024 15:45:21 GMT -5
I'd never been looking forward to spring training in a while. I can't wait for this.
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Post by kwodes on Oct 18, 2024 16:09:30 GMT -5
Do we think there's any possibile way ONeill could be passable at 1st base? Not as an everyday guys after a Casas trade, but as a guy who could play there against a tough lefty or because of an injury. It would help out roster-wise.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Oct 18, 2024 23:05:49 GMT -5
I'm keeping my expectations low but I will say this..
Top 6 payrolls all made the playoffs and top market In each league are 1 game away from the ws.
Red sox have been trying to pretend spending doesn't mean much but at the end of the day, it's correlation to winning is huge.
Obviously you'll have teams like kc win occasionally and on the flip side have huge markets have a losing season but..on the whole? It's so undeniable.
0 reason boston shouldn't be ALWAYS top 4 or 5 in payroll unless it's to sneak under the cbt every few yrs.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Oct 18, 2024 23:07:40 GMT -5
Do we think there's any possibile way ONeill could be passable at 1st base? Not as an everyday guys after a Casas trade, but as a guy who could play there against a tough lefty or because of an injury. It would help out roster-wise. At 5’11” and someone who has nagging leg injuries, I’m not sure O’Neill would be a good 1B match (not to mention he’s never played there). We saw this season how the team tried this Refsynder and never went thru with it in-game. |
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Post by finaliz3d on Oct 18, 2024 23:27:33 GMT -5
Do we think there's any possibile way ONeill could be passable at 1st base? Not as an everyday guys after a Casas trade, but as a guy who could play there against a tough lefty or because of an injury. It would help out roster-wise. Assuming you do that, O'Neill is a poor fit for 1B. You could move Devers to first and sign someone to play third but that would also be stupid because again trading Casas is not a good idea. |
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Post by gerry on Oct 19, 2024 1:26:08 GMT -5
Yep. It’s actually a very bad idea.
1. He’s becoming a very good 1B
2. He is one of the best bats on a good hitting team.
3. He is one of the few “characters” on the team.
4. A healthy Casas is a pivotal player for as long as we have him, at least several years. Vlad without the huge contract.
5. If Casas is permanently injured no one will trade much for him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 19, 2024 7:21:33 GMT -5
The Red Sox have enough team defensive issues. Trying to keep O'Neill to try to convert him to 1b would only exacerbate those issues.
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Post by costpet on Oct 19, 2024 8:04:29 GMT -5
I could see 3 or the Big 4 starting next year. Anthony in right, Teel catching, and Campbell at 2B. Trading Abreu for pitching, and letting O'Neil go or using only as DH. Of all things, they need bullpen help more than starters. That should be their focus. And bullpen pitchers come a lot cheaper than starters. I'm speaking their language.
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Post by asm18 on Oct 19, 2024 8:44:43 GMT -5
Do we think there's any possibile way ONeill could be passable at 1st base? Not as an everyday guys after a Casas trade, but as a guy who could play there against a tough lefty or because of an injury. It would help out roster-wise. At 5’11” and someone who has nagging leg injuries, I’m not sure O’Neill would be a good 1B match (not to mention he’s never played there). We saw this season how the team tried this Refsynder and never went thru with it in-game. To add to this, O’Neill has never played ANY infield in his professional career (including minor leagues). So it’s tough to imagine he would have the instincts/skills to play on the dirt. I suppose if he re-signs as a DH/LF you could give him a couple reps in Spring Training practice at 1B as a contingency (it’s not like we just had a season where our 1B was out almost the whole year…) but it’s just hard to know how O’Neill would take to it without any past record. FWIW one of the better defensive 1B is now Bryce Harper after being an OF his entire pro career, but a bit of a different body type |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Oct 19, 2024 11:48:55 GMT -5
Do we think there's any possibile way ONeill could be passable at 1st base? Not as an everyday guys after a Casas trade, but as a guy who could play there against a tough lefty or because of an injury. It would help out roster-wise. and someone who has nagging leg injuries, I’m not sure O’Neill would be a good 1B match (not to mention he’s never played there). We saw this season how the team tried this Refsynder and never went thru with it in-game. The best first basemen I've ever seen field the position were Don Mattingly & Keith Hernandez. Both were listed at 6 foot even. |
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Post by pappyman99 on Oct 19, 2024 12:18:32 GMT -5
Have to trade Yoshida, I think we really try and trade for Gilbert using Abreu and Fitts as initial bait there
Would not be surprised if we traded for Rooker and resigned O’Neill to basically both play DH and LF
I think RF would be Anthony/Rafaela and Refsnyder
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Oct 19, 2024 20:08:25 GMT -5
Do we think there's any possibile way ONeill could be passable at 1st base? Not as an everyday guys after a Casas trade, but as a guy who could play there against a tough lefty or because of an injury. It would help out roster-wise. If it were so easy for guys to just pick up first base enough to play adequately, why didn't they move Raffy there and play a call-up at third? Or just play one of the better hitters at 1B, like Yoshida, or O'Neill, or Refsynder? I'm serious - if the answer was that easy, why not use any of those options instead of Garrett Cooper or Dom Smith? |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 19, 2024 21:06:09 GMT -5
Do we think there's any possibile way ONeill could be passable at 1st base? Not as an everyday guys after a Casas trade, but as a guy who could play there against a tough lefty or because of an injury. It would help out roster-wise. If it were so easy for guys to just pick up first base enough to play adequately, why didn't they move Raffy there and play a call-up at third? Or just play one of the better hitters at 1B, like Yoshida, or O'Neill, or Refsynder? I'm serious - if the answer was that easy, why not use any of those options instead of Garrett Cooper or Dom Smith? Because Dom Smith was not bad and a call-up replacement at third would’ve probably been worse? Because Devers’ offensive value is much higher relative to the rest of the league at third than first? I’m not in the “make TON a 1B” camp but this is a very weird tangent to the discussion. |
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