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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 4, 2024 19:39:35 GMT -5
3 guys id look at trading are Wong, Bello and Rafaella. Try and turn them ( along with mid teir prospects) into a top starter. Alcantera, Kirby, Chrochet. And some bullpen depth. Keep the big 4 and Casas duran and Abrau. Sign Teo Either pivetta or sign Flahrety or kikuchi or like Sign kelly or dArnaud CF Duran 3B Devers DH /LF 1B Casas SS story RF / LF Teo Abrau / Anthony LF / RF Campbell/ Anthony C dAnaud or 2B Grissom / Campbell / Hamilton Houck Kirby Pivetta or Gio Crawford I’m not sure I’ve seen an idea for this offseason that I’ve disliked more than trading Bello Why |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 4, 2024 19:53:09 GMT -5
I’m not sure I’ve seen an idea for this offseason that I’ve disliked more than trading Bello Why Let's say you manage to get a high level starter for that package. Yes, you've upgraded your rotation, but by sacrificing a long-term piece of your current rotation to do so, those improvements are much more marginal, and you've most likely made your rotation a decent amount more expensive in the short-to-medium term. So now your rotation is more expensive and still probably needs a guy. And unless you can get a Logan Webb-level talent for Bello, there's also a chance it's not even much of an upgrade at all. Given Bello's age and perceived upside, as well as the natural level of variance that exists with pitchers, I'd say there's a 20% chance he ends up better than whoever he'd be traded for anyway (the Mariners pitchers, for example). I'm strongly against trading guys when they're well below the perceived ceiling of their value, which is why I argued against trading Grissom the other day. This would be doing the same thing except it's not from a position of strength like trading Grissom, Rafaela, or Abreu would be. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 4, 2024 19:56:55 GMT -5
Pitching is expensive and only getting more expensive, Bello at a 9M LT hit through 2029 to me is very valuable. I also think at just 25 years old his best baseball is more than likely ahead of him. Definitely not a guy I'd be eager to trade away.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 4, 2024 20:19:03 GMT -5
I'm sure there will be many moving parts this off-season, but if Pivetta accepts the QO then the easiest way to upgrade the rotation may be signing Shane Bieber.
He's younger than any of Snell/Burnes/Fried with just as much upside. Given the high success rate of TJ surgeries it wouldn't even be that high of a risk. Contract would be complicated - but great way to upgrade without opening a rotation spot first.
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 4, 2024 22:36:04 GMT -5
Let's say you manage to get a high level starter for that package. Yes, you've upgraded your rotation, but by sacrificing a long-term piece of your current rotation to do so, those improvements are much more marginal, and you've most likely made your rotation a decent amount more expensive in the short-to-medium term. So now your rotation is more expensive and still probably needs a guy. And unless you can get a Logan Webb-level talent for Bello, there's also a chance it's not even much of an upgrade at all. Given Bello's age and perceived upside, as well as the natural level of variance that exists with pitchers, I'd say there's a 20% chance he ends up better than whoever he'd be traded for anyway (the Mariners pitchers, for example). I'm strongly against trading guys when they're well below the perceived ceiling of their value, which is why I argued against trading Grissom the other day. This would be doing the same thing except it's not from a position of strength like trading Grissom, Rafaela, or Abreu would be. I like the reasoning and you very much could be correct. Amd incould be wrong but i dont view Bello as more than a 5 IP #3 starter. There is great value in that and he could be better than that. I just dont want to see Campbell, Mayer or Anyhony moved. Have to consider all options. |
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Post by keninten on Nov 4, 2024 23:42:50 GMT -5
Some of those honorable mentions look interesting. |
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Post by sxfan on Nov 4, 2024 23:57:01 GMT -5
Let's say you manage to get a high level starter for that package. Yes, you've upgraded your rotation, but by sacrificing a long-term piece of your current rotation to do so, those improvements are much more marginal, and you've most likely made your rotation a decent amount more expensive in the short-to-medium term. So now your rotation is more expensive and still probably needs a guy. And unless you can get a Logan Webb-level talent for Bello, there's also a chance it's not even much of an upgrade at all. Given Bello's age and perceived upside, as well as the natural level of variance that exists with pitchers, I'd say there's a 20% chance he ends up better than whoever he'd be traded for anyway (the Mariners pitchers, for example). I'm strongly against trading guys when they're well below the perceived ceiling of their value, which is why I argued against trading Grissom the other day. This would be doing the same thing except it's not from a position of strength like trading Grissom, Rafaela, or Abreu would be. I like the reasoning and you very much could be correct. Amd incould be wrong but i dont view Bello as more than a 5 IP #3 starter. There is great value in that and he could be better than that. I just dont want to see Campbell, Mayer or Anyhony moved. Have to consider all options. Counterpoint- Bello is a 6+ inning pitcher regularly with a good infield defense. With Story hopefully being healthy, Hamilton being above average at second base, a new catcher, Casas being average at first, and Devers moving off third base- You'll accomplish that. The infield defense killed Bello's results this last year. He was supposed to be a half run better according to FIP and xFIP. |
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