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Post by orion09 on Nov 21, 2024 18:45:20 GMT -5
I think being friends with the owner is a proxy for “I want to be kept in the loop about the way the team is being run, and I want to know that my voice will be heard.”
It makes sense. He’s a generational player, has lots of leverage, and probably won’t have another opportunity to change teams, so he wants to make sure he’s going to an organization run by people he likes.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 21, 2024 18:47:21 GMT -5
What is the luxury tax threshold going to be in 5-7-9-10 etc years from now.?? We only have rules for 2025-2026 then a new CBA will have to be negotiated |
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Juan Soto
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 21, 2024 18:56:50 GMT -5
Soto will cost a ton, but beyond the fiscal cost of obtaining the player you get to buy yourself into being the team that kids in the DR grow up watching. The expectation is that you'll be good while having the best player(s) from the DR playing for you.
Soto grew up watching the Red Sox and idolizing Ortiz and Manny. You have an advantage in getting Soto because you had Ortiz and Manny. 10-15 years from now you might have an advantage because you had Juan Soto and Rafael Devers.
I'm not saying they're taking less to play for you, but if the dollar amount is super close then you become the favorite to land the player.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 21, 2024 18:58:03 GMT -5
I think being friends with the owner is a proxy for “I want to be kept in the loop about the way the team is being run, and I want to know that my voice will be heard.” It makes sense. He’s a generational player, has lots of leverage, and probably won’t have another opportunity to change teams, so he wants to make sure he’s going to an organization run by people he likes. That makes sense I guess. It also makes me wonder what it means in practice. Is he going to have a more sophisticated view than the median "Red Sox 2023-24 offseason is a failure if they don't sign Jordan Montgomery" take? Do we want Juan Soto moonlighting as special assistant to the GM? |
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Post by itinerantherb on Nov 22, 2024 0:10:49 GMT -5
Nothing new to add. I just couldn't bear seeing that it had been 5 hours without a Juan Soto post
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 22, 2024 7:27:55 GMT -5
Well if he wants a strong rapport with the owner of where ever he signs you can probably stick the Red Sox at the bottom of the list of the rumored teams since Henry has been MIA for years now. I cannot believe he would give a crap about being friends with the owner, than hanging with Pedro and Papi. Nah he definitely hung out with Hal Steinbrenner a ton this year. Bosom buddies they were. |
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Post by curll on Nov 22, 2024 8:23:33 GMT -5
I cannot believe he would give a crap about being friends with the owner, than hanging with Pedro and Papi. Nah he definitely hung out with Hal Steinbrenner a ton this year. Bosom buddies they were. Genuine question, have you or Mike or anyone met/talked with Henry? I've gotten the chance twice at events, he seems standoffish and aloof mostly off-stage. Of course, very engaged when talking about business and presenting. Brief encounters, but he definitely seems more available and open than "New York Royalty" owners. You're not gonna catch JWH at Sissy K's or anything, but even the fact that I could rub elbows with him at all is an indicator of how FSG operates within the community. Edit: We're boned- www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/11/royals-have-shown-interest-in-juan-soto.html |
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Juan Soto
Nov 22, 2024 8:47:22 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 22, 2024 8:47:22 GMT -5
I'm at a point that this is what I think of the Soto pursuit.
It's going to come down to money. Hard to see a scenario where the bidding doesnt exceed 700 million. This is going to be record breaking as far as total dollars go. Boras will see to that. This favors the Mets.
Soto wants to play in a place that's great long term and will continue to invest heavily in their product and not retrench if the mood hits. Long term, with the kids coming up, it helps the Sox, but it's an open question as to if the Sox will keep spending, luxury tax penalties be damned.
That's why I think a good relationship with ownership matters to Soto, to be a guy whose opinion is valued by ownership. He didnt have the with the Yankees but did have that with the Nats and Padres and apparently finally got a face to face with Steinbrenner. I dont see how the John Henry recluse factor helps the Sox. Werner had to represent ownership because the man who makes the decisions on the overall direction of the Sox did not attend the meeting. I dont really see how that helps.
I do think what helps the Sox is that Cora is generally respected among players, and that Ortiz and Pedro are doing everything they can behind the scenes to influence their fellow countryman to come to Boston, but that can only go so far. They're not ownership and hes not sharing a dugout with them the way he eiykd with his friend Lindor.
So I think the Sox are doing everything in their power to get hin. Maybe Theo is exerting influence on Henry getting him to reinvest in his product. I believe the effort is sincere, not a smoke screen, and I do believe if/when Soto winds up with the Mets or even possibly the Yankees, the Red Sox will go out and spend their money to fix the pitching. I can see them bringing in 2 front line starters or maybe 1 and a good investment from the second tier and 2 oriven high leverage relievers and a right handed bat if they see one that makes sense.
They will spend money and they will exceed the luxury tax (as they should). I believe Cora wouldnt have re-upped without a guarantee like that.
This will be an interesting offseason. I do think the Sox will sign Snell, complete a deal for Crochet, sign Scott, and acquire either Helsley or Willians to close.
I have no idea about a RH bat. I'm guessing they overpay to get Teoscar Hernandez, but they could go in a different direction there.
This will easily be the most fascinating offseason in some time, even if they dont wind up with Soto.
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Juan Soto
Nov 22, 2024 9:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by pappyman99 on Nov 22, 2024 9:16:36 GMT -5
This would be so huge
You have to trade MaSa and find that right bat to put between Soto
And Devers
Might have to do
Duran
Soto
righty power bat
Devers
Story
Casas
1-6 is very nice
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Post by chr31ter on Nov 22, 2024 9:36:58 GMT -5
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Post by threeifbaerga on Nov 22, 2024 9:38:20 GMT -5
Hey Jon - shut up.
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Post by kwodes on Nov 22, 2024 9:40:08 GMT -5
Carrabis brought up a good point on Baseball is Dead. He mentioned that the top 3 or 4 offers won't be exactly the same, but the money will probably be in the same neighborhood. So idk if it will come down to money. Reports are saying that he's grilling teams about their pipelines, player development systems, and ownership's commitment to winning.
If all of the offers are similar values, he's going to go to the place he's most comfortable with.
Now, if Cohen just blows everyone out of the water then it will come down to money.
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Post by nomar on Nov 22, 2024 9:43:36 GMT -5
Jon Morosi, known for his sources being correct. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 22, 2024 9:43:58 GMT -5
John please tweet that Soto is a on a jet to LA and NY. Do it now!!!!
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Post by trotnixon7 on Nov 22, 2024 9:52:27 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I think soto wants to stay in ny (just my gut). I think if money is close he'll stay with nyy but if not, he'll be with the Mets.
I just don't see a scenario where he picks boston. I'd honestly be stunned.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 22, 2024 9:53:23 GMT -5
If I'm being honest I would also be surprised if Soto becomes a Sox but I still think there is a relatively decent chance of it at the same time if that makes any sense. Wouldn't really say he's breaking any sort of news we don't know at this point.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 22, 2024 10:03:48 GMT -5
Scott Boras and/or Breslow & John Henry have told Jon Morosi how Soto-Red Sox courtship and negotiations are going and apparently no else. I totally believe that
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Post by incandenza on Nov 22, 2024 10:04:50 GMT -5
I'm at a point that this is what I think of the Soto pursuit. It's going to come down to money. Hard to see a scenario where the bidding doesnt exceed 700 million. This is going to be record breaking as far as total dollars go. Boras will see to that. This favors the Mets. You keep saying this but do you mean that he'll get more than $700 million in the Ohtani sense (i.e., accounting gimmickry) or a real $700 million without deferrals?
Here are a few projections on Soto's contract:
Ben Clemens: $576 million Fangraphs crowdsource: $585 million MLBTR: $600 million Kiley McDaniel: $611 million
So a real $700 million contract would be about 15-20% over these estimates. That looks to be about the upper bound of how much any top-of-the-market contracts exceed projections. E.g., Judge was mostly projected for the low 300s and got 360 (though he apparently had an even better offer on the table). Shohei came in right on target.
The $700 million target for biggest contract ever plus the teams involved in the bidding plus Soto's unique profile do seem to add up to there being a decent chance that the contract ends up being 15/705 ($47 million AAV) or somethhing like that. But if the bidding tops out in the low 600s that would be consistent with precedent as well. (Yes, there's the Steve Cohen factor, but the indications are not totally unambiguous there; e.g., Stearns would apparently rather spread the spending around, and it's been more speculated than reported that Cohen would be willing to do whatever it takes to get Soto.)
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 22, 2024 10:06:54 GMT -5
Jon Morosi, known for his sources being correct. Guaranteed he won't be a Red Sock. Though perhaps he will be a Red Sox |
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Juan Soto
Nov 22, 2024 10:33:12 GMT -5
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Post by cba82 on Nov 22, 2024 10:33:12 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I think soto wants to stay in ny (just my gut). I think if money is close he'll stay with nyy but if not, he'll be with the Mets. I just don't see a scenario where he picks boston. I'd honestly be stunned. Sadly, I agree. I feel like we’re 30 pages into a Juan Soto and Scott Boras Play the Red Sox thread. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 22, 2024 10:34:37 GMT -5
Nah he definitely hung out with Hal Steinbrenner a ton this year. Bosom buddies they were. Genuine question, have you or Mike or anyone met/talked with Henry? I've gotten the chance twice at events, he seems standoffish and aloof mostly off-stage. Of course, very engaged when talking about business and presenting. Brief encounters, but he definitely seems more available and open than "New York Royalty" owners. You're not gonna catch JWH at Sissy K's or anything, but even the fact that I could rub elbows with him at all is an indicator of how FSG operates within the community. Edit: We're boned- www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/11/royals-have-shown-interest-in-juan-soto.htmlThat stand offish comes from often being hit up for anything and everything can probably ascertain. An issue as old as time for those that "have" vs those who either "don't", or "want". It's not factual with all historical RS owners. Tom Yawkey, cpl times did have interactions with him in winter haven (when he showed up for ST) was affable enough, not prone to the old bored "get me out of here" look would see at some places saw at companies worked for for instance had would speak with a CEO, or higher. Haywood Sullivan was very approachable, even good with names, his issue was a lot of what he said didn't make a lot of sense, even then. Buddy leRoux, his like 2yrs as a partner was a piece of work. No need to go into details regarding him, anyone here who might have known the man can explain well enough. Have tried and tried over the years to remember any chats with jean Yawkey, who retained a minority stake during the Sullivan ownership years, but cannot remember, ever saying/talking to her. |
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Post by taiwansox on Nov 22, 2024 10:41:13 GMT -5
Soto to Boston confirmed inverse Morosi |
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Juan Soto
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Post by cdj on Nov 22, 2024 10:56:18 GMT -5
Boras trying to get the Sox to bid more, I see your tricks Scott!
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 22, 2024 11:11:42 GMT -5
Morosi's line was apparently just an aside in a bit where Morosi is speculating about why Teoscar makes sense for the Red Sox. I think he is just repeating the consensus from people with no info that of course Cohen will spent infinite dollars. It wouldn't make sense for Boras to throw cold water, and 24 hours ago the Red Sox were hyping everyone up. Morosi isn't exactly the first in line at the scoop shop.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 22, 2024 11:21:01 GMT -5
Morosi's line was apparently just an aside in a bit where Morosi is speculating about why Teoscar makes sense for the Red Sox. I think he is just repeating the consensus from people with no info that of course Cohen will spent infinite dollars. It wouldn't make sense for Boras to throw cold water, and 24 hours ago the Red Sox were hyping everyone up. Morosi isn't exactly the first in line at the scoop shop. I would be interested in making it a federal offense to post tweets of decontextualized quotes from unlinked articles or videos. |
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