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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 22, 2024 11:49:36 GMT -5
When I was 12 years old I mustered up to courage to ask the popular girl on a date. I wasn't a popular boy, I wasn't the lowest guy on the totem pole, just very very average and normal. She said no, and laughed, and I remember feeling all embarrassed and dumb like "did I really think I had a shot with the most popular girl in school" I feel like that's how the Royals must of felt after their conversation with Soto and Boras.
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Post by nomar on Nov 22, 2024 12:00:37 GMT -5
Morosi's line was apparently just an aside in a bit where Morosi is speculating about why Teoscar makes sense for the Red Sox. I think he is just repeating the consensus from people with no info that of course Cohen will spent infinite dollars. It wouldn't make sense for Boras to throw cold water, and 24 hours ago the Red Sox were hyping everyone up. Morosi isn't exactly the first in line at the scoop shop. I would be interested in making it a federal offense to post tweets of decontextualized quotes from unlinked articles or videos. It’s kind of our fault for even looking for legit MLB rumors because they essentially don’t exist anymore
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Post by asm18 on Nov 22, 2024 12:02:51 GMT -5
Morosi's line was apparently just an aside in a bit where Morosi is speculating about why Teoscar makes sense for the Red Sox. I think he is just repeating the consensus from people with no info that of course Cohen will spent infinite dollars. It wouldn't make sense for Boras to throw cold water, and 24 hours ago the Red Sox were hyping everyone up. Morosi isn't exactly the first in line at the scoop shop. I would be interested in making it a federal offense to post tweets of decontextualized quotes from unlinked articles or videos. Does anyone know a good defense attorney
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 22, 2024 12:08:00 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Nov 22, 2024 12:13:50 GMT -5
When I was 12 years old I mustered up to courage to ask the popular girl on a date. I wasn't a popular boy, I wasn't the lowest guy on the totem pole, just very very average and normal. She said no, and laughed, and I remember feeling all embarrassed and dumb like "did I really think I had a shot with the most popular girl in school" I feel like that's how the Royals must of felt after their conversation with Soto and Boras. You were right to give it a shot! And every now and then the gawky kid scores a date where everyone's like "how in the heck..."
Relatedly, a lot of people thought the Royals were nuts for even trying to improve their 56-win team last offseason and then they ended up making the playoffs.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 22, 2024 12:38:17 GMT -5
Predictions on when Soto will sign? Really hoping it's pre-winter meetings I can't handle the nonsense rumor mill for much longer
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 22, 2024 13:04:25 GMT -5
Predictions on when Soto will sign? Really hoping it's pre-winter meetings I can't handle the nonsense rumor mill for much longer I thought I heard somewhere that he was expected to sign either before the winter meetings or before the winter meetings were over. So......I'm placing my bets on 1 week after the winter meetings are over.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Nov 22, 2024 13:23:54 GMT -5
Morosi's line was apparently just an aside in a bit where Morosi is speculating about why Teoscar makes sense for the Red Sox. I think he is just repeating the consensus from people with no info that of course Cohen will spent infinite dollars. It wouldn't make sense for Boras to throw cold water, and 24 hours ago the Red Sox were hyping everyone up. Morosi isn't exactly the first in line at the scoop shop. Did we ever figure out what that hype was all about?
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Post by asm18 on Nov 22, 2024 13:49:40 GMT -5
Papi on the Sam Kennedy phone call witnessed by Michael Silverman (Boston Globe):
If this does by some miracle happen, can we have like half the '04 team show up at the signing ceremony just as an extra f*ck you to the Yankees
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 22, 2024 13:51:39 GMT -5
I think that's three on camera interviews in two days for Papi. I guess this is some kind of deliberate strategy.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 22, 2024 14:03:01 GMT -5
Very on brand for Big Papi's pitch to Juan Soto to a) be very charismatic and compelling; and b) basically boil down to "I, David Ortiz, will be around, and that will be awesome for Soto."
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 22, 2024 14:47:37 GMT -5
Curious what the opt out situation will be. We haven’t really seen any in mega contracts of this scale (Mookie, Ohtani, Harper) but Soto can probably get one if he wants?
Pepen (obvious massive grain of salt) says he wants 12-14 at 45 per with opt outs after the third and fourth years. I would think those opt outs would drive the AAV below 45 were he to get them, but who knows.
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Post by jdb on Nov 22, 2024 15:01:40 GMT -5
I definitely think there will be an opt out. Boras is already trying to get Harper’s deal restructured I doubt he lets Soto go 10+ years without one. I’d front load a 12-14 year deal and let him opt out after year 5.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 22, 2024 15:15:52 GMT -5
I feel like if they can reel in Soto it would raise the pressure on getting at least one of the big 4 extended, mainly Anthony. Romany Anthony has a long long way to go but we very well could be looking at him as a mega contract candidate if he does break through this year and is as advertised. I would hate to run into a scenario where they have to let a potential 27 year old home grown stud go due to Soto.
I'd probably try and get Anthony signed to an extension ASAP if I was Breslow either way though. Something like what Chourio got would be a good start, 8/82M with two club options at the end for $25M.
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Post by 0ap0 on Nov 22, 2024 15:24:15 GMT -5
No particular insight here, but it seems to me that "wanting opt-outs" and "wanting to top Ohtani's headline number" would be pretty diametrically opposing goals.
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Post by notstarboard on Nov 22, 2024 15:28:03 GMT -5
When I was 12 years old I mustered up to courage to ask the popular girl on a date. I wasn't a popular boy, I wasn't the lowest guy on the totem pole, just very very average and normal. She said no, and laughed, and I remember feeling all embarrassed and dumb like "did I really think I had a shot with the most popular girl in school" I feel like that's how the Royals must of felt after their conversation with Soto and Boras. You were right to give it a shot! And every now and then the gawky kid scores a date where everyone's like "how in the heck..."
Relatedly, a lot of people thought the Royals were nuts for even trying to improve their 56-win team last offseason and then they ended up making the playoffs.
I'm guilty - I hated their offseason moves. Of course they ended up getting a perfect combination of good health, over-achievement (373.1 IP and 8 WAR from Wacha and Lugo is ridiculous even with good luck and a great defense behind them), and a surprisingly weak AL (WC2 at 86 wins and really no elite teams).
I gotta say, Soto and Witt Jr. would be a pretty incredible duo to watch for the next decade, KC has absolutely nothing to worry about with the luxury tax, and they could easily absorb Soto as their team defense is awesome and they don't really have a DH. Shoot your shot, gawky kid.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 22, 2024 15:32:36 GMT -5
Aaron Judge says he has not spoken to Soto since the season ended
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Post by kwodes on Nov 22, 2024 15:34:14 GMT -5
Aaron Judge says he has not spoken to Soto since the season ended To me, this doesn't have any real impact on the situation. But it's definitely not a positive.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 22, 2024 15:34:24 GMT -5
Aaron Judge says he has not spoken to Soto since the season ended Feels kind of odd but probably isn't all that uncommon on these types of FA chases.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 22, 2024 15:46:32 GMT -5
Aaron Judge says he has not spoken to Soto since the season ended Judge probably just dropped his phone
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Post by curll on Nov 22, 2024 15:53:05 GMT -5
That stand offish comes from often being hit up for anything and everything can probably ascertain. An issue as old as time for those that "have" vs those who either "don't", or "want". It's not factual with all historical RS owners. Tom Yawkey, cpl times did have interactions with him in winter haven (when he showed up for ST) was affable enough, not prone to the old bored "get me out of here" look would see at some places saw at companies worked for for instance had would speak with a CEO, or higher. Haywood Sullivan was very approachable, even good with names, his issue was a lot of what he said didn't make a lot of sense, even then. Buddy leRoux, his like 2yrs as a partner was a piece of work. No need to go into details regarding him, anyone here who might have known the man can explain well enough. Have tried and tried over the years to remember any chats with jean Yawkey, who retained a minority stake during the Sullivan ownership years, but cannot remember, ever saying/talking to her. Yeah, I used aloof and standoffish as an homage to 2006, 2007, and 2008 when people often described Obama in those terms and I'd consider JWH near that level of celebrity. Both times were quasi-public events and I was surprised John stuck around after his spiel, but both times he did make sure to get food, lol. Obviously, Henry couldn't care less about what anyone at these events had to say and was just being polite. I sheepishly thanked him the first event and was already talking with Jeff White during the second event, so not like John would've bypassed business process because I said something clever. It seems like FSG has taken a step back from wide-net community stuff and focused more on RSF and cost-efficiency since 2016/2018. Even the Jimmy Fund telethon and PMC stuff seems to be cut back. Maybe Juan Soto can convince FSG to bring back Futures at Fenway, startup pitch competitions, and more tiny-NPO funds for the remote New England community organizations e.g. bats, balls, gloves, helmets. And like I said, if any team has $400M extra, then they can get Soto, even if it winds up being $400M for 4 years:
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 22, 2024 15:56:36 GMT -5
For Soto's contract, I'm thinking:
659mil/13yrs 300mil deferred ~43mil AAV opt-out after year 4 or 5 - team can cancel opt-out by adding 52mil for year 14
Total up to 711mil (~611mil in current value) for reporting to claim largest contract
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Post by thelpc on Nov 22, 2024 17:43:23 GMT -5
Very on brand for Big Papi's pitch to Juan Soto to a) be very charismatic and compelling; and b) basically boil down to "I, David Ortiz, will be around, and that will be awesome for Soto." That pitch would certainly work on me
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 22, 2024 17:57:57 GMT -5
I'd say the chances of Grissom and Campbell covering 2 positional spots instead of one is better than them covering only one. If Grissom plays second and the Redsox trade Abreu (and more) for say Crochet I can see an outfield before seasons end of Campbell in LF, Duran in center and Anthony in RF and Rafaela backing up CF, RF and SS. This helps the Sox get more RH too with Story and Wong they'd have 4 RH hitters in the everyday line-up. You mention to get one proven RH DH, not sure who that'd be, here is the list of FA DH's. www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/_/year/2025/position/dh/level/mlb/sort/contract_value, what happens to Yoshida then? In order to hope we can trade Yoshida next year and to a lesser degree Story you have to let them play, hope they are healthy and play well to try and build up any kind of market for them. Even then I'm sure for Yoshida we'd have to subsidize a deal to make it happen, the same applies to Story but he'd likely take even another year to potentially move him based on his contract, recent health and hitting. 1) On Yoshida, see the sunk cost fallacy.
2) So you think the outfield would be Campbell-Duran-Anthony? It's not impossible, but I just do not believe Vaughn Grissom and Kristian Campbell are both going to be good. It's possible, but I'd bet on only one of them ending up in the everyday lineup, and it's probably going to be Campbell. I think more than likely it ends up Duran-Rafaela-Anthony, or if we're lucky enough to sign Soto, Soto-Duran-Anthony.
3) Also just an added point on Rafaela, the guy hit better against righties than he did against lefties last year. His minor league stats are kind of mixed on whether he's actually a reverse-splits guy or not, but either way I wouldn't expect him to have like an .800 OPS against lefties next season.
Yoshida has hit about 12% better than the average major leaguer so he has value and more so than those on our bench. His fit on the team is less than ideal however and they still owe him $18.6M for the next 3 seasons. I've been saying this for nearly a year the team wants to play Story and Yoshida to build up their value so they can reach a theoretical point they'd be willing to subsidize the respective contracts just enough where they become tradeable. I don't see the last sentence as a debatable topic but one that the Sox are surely exploring as a strong option, the part that can be debated until the cows come home are when and how much would they be willing to eat. I do think both Campbell and Grissom will be productive major leaguers and while the team would like to have more RH batting positional players I don't see the need to force that. One exception to that is giving both these RH hitting prospects a chance. One already had some success at his first try as a major leaguer. In his first 156 PA he was 19% better than an average MLB hitter and developed by Atlanta. I think this seasons slow start and recency bias has you overtly pessimistic about him. Perhaps Campbell mans second and Grissom players LF not so sure on Grissoms' ability to play LF but an easy solution to balancing the line-up at least short term without forcing the issue, their really isn't a need to, would be to let both play. One caveat I did not mention is this is all based on Abreu headlining or co headlining a trade for Crochet. I think an ideal role for Rafaela is as a Super Utility player as he'd make the team that much deeper and less risk adverse to injury. I could see him getting around 400 at bats in that role possibly more depending on Story's health and or if Mayer is traded.
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Post by sxfan on Nov 22, 2024 19:20:27 GMT -5
Fenway Park is the reason why Soto should go to the Red Sox. He would become one of the 5 best hitters to ever play the game, if he came here.
But beyond the hitting aspect, it caters to his defense perfectly too.
He has a lack of range in the corner outfield- Fenway Park LF has one of the least square footage areas in a corner outfield in the majors.
He has a strong accurate arm- perfect for playing balls off the wall.
And we know the hitting side. He goes the other way better than any LHB in perhaps the history of baseball.
He would lead the best young core age 28 or below- Houck, Casas, Duran, Wong, Teel, Anthony, Mayer, Campbell, Abreu (if he isn't traded, Rafaela, Crawford, and ohh yeah the other best LHB in MLB Devers (who can relate to him from the Dominican and probably be his best buddy soon).
This a long with the Pedro, Ortiz pitches of getting him here.
The only stopping this is, money and Cohen.
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