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Post by asm18 on Nov 25, 2024 8:56:58 GMT -5
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Juan Soto
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Post by kwodes on Nov 25, 2024 9:00:10 GMT -5
based on aggregating every report we've heard thus far (which doesn't mean they're accurate), I'd list: 1) Mets 2) Red Sox 3) Yankees 4) Field There hasn't been much positivity coming out of Yankee camps.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 25, 2024 9:01:53 GMT -5
lol sounds like Dombrowski was annoyed at being used in the media
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Post by incandenza on Nov 25, 2024 9:17:44 GMT -5
It's interesting that the consensus here is that the Red Sox are the second most likely team to sign Soto after the Mets, and every time I see it discussed in the media the Red Sox are listed 4th or 5th after the Blue Jays and/or Dodgers. (I think we're right.)
In addition to the Phillies, Heyman pours cold water on the Dodgers here.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Nov 25, 2024 9:19:47 GMT -5
"Hey, chatgpt, the offseason hype is drying up a little bit. Write me a scene where the Red Sox go all out to sign Soto and invite him to Thanksgiving."
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[Scene: A bustling Thanksgiving table in a warm New England home. The turkey's been carved, and everyone is passing sides and sipping drinks. The personalities are larger than life, and the conversation is dynamic.]
David Ortiz: (chewing on a turkey leg) "Mira, Juan. Boston’s got everything, man. Fenway? The fans? They’ll love you, bro. Trust Big Papi on this—there’s no place like it. You’ll be a legend."
Juan Soto: (grinning, but cautious) "I mean, I hear you, Papi, but I don’t know. The market’s crazy right now, and Scott’s telling me—"
Scott Boras: (interrupting with his trademark confidence) "—Juan. Remember, this is your decision. You’re a generational talent. A unicorn. Boston’s great, sure, but let’s not sell yourself short. There’s a lot of interest out there. A lot."
Craig Breslow: (polished and measured, like the Ivy Leaguer he is) "Scott, I respect the hustle, but Boston’s a perfect fit for Juan. Think about it: our pitching is solid, the lineup is hungry, and we’re ready to win now. Juan could be the final piece."
Theo Epstein: (calmly leaning forward, always the cerebral negotiator) "Juan, I built a curse-breaking team here before. It’s a special place. The fans are passionate, the history is rich, and Fenway is electric. Plus, Boston’s not just a baseball town—it’s a championship town. We’d treat you like family."
Rob Gronkowski: (confused, but happy to be there, stuffing mashed potatoes into his mouth) "Wait, wait, hold up. Are we talking about a contract? I thought this was, like, Thanksgiving football stuff. Juan, dude, you ever play tight end? You’d crush it!"
Mark Wahlberg: (leaning back, trying to play it cool but clearly repping Boston hard) "Gronk, c’mon, bro. We’re talking about making Juan the face of the Sox. Soto, listen—Boston’s got heart. You come here, you’re not just playin' baseball. You’re joining a family. Plus, I’ll make a movie about you someday. No pressure."
Juan Soto: (laughing, but still cautious) "I appreciate it, guys, really. It’s just... I want to win, but I also want to feel secure, you know? I’m 25. This next deal needs to set me up for life."
Scott Boras: (nodding, seeing the opening) "Exactly. Security, legacy, and financial commitment. Boston’s history is great, but let’s not forget the market value. We need to see the full package."
David Ortiz: (playfully slapping Boras on the back) "Scott, we all know you love that 'full package,' but c’mon, man. Juan, you’ll make your money. Trust me. Winning in Boston? That’s priceless. Look at my rings, baby."
Craig Breslow: (trying to bring it back to analytics) "Juan, we can offer you the best blend of support on and off the field. Advanced training, state-of-the-art analytics, and a lineup designed to maximize your impact. You’ll thrive here."
Rob Gronkowski: (pointing at the cranberry sauce) "Okay, but real quick—can someone pass that? Juan, dude, I think Boston’s great too. But if you go, I better get season tickets or something."
Theo Epstein: (smiling at Gronk but laser-focused on Soto) "Juan, you’ve got the opportunity to not just play baseball but make history. No one remembers the guys who just cashed in. They remember legends. Boston turns players into legends."
Juan Soto: (pausing, clearly enjoying the attention, but still undecided) "Man, you’re making it tough. Big Papi’s right, I want to win. But Scott’s also right—I’ve got to think long-term."
Mark Wahlberg: (leaning in, dramatic) "Soto, you belong in Boston. Imagine you in that Red Sox uniform, hitting bombs over the Green Monster. It’s destiny."
David Ortiz: (raising a glass) "To Juan Soto, future Red Sox superstar!"
Scott Boras: (raising an eyebrow) "Or... wherever the market takes him. Right, Juan?"
Rob Gronkowski: (holding up a turkey leg, oblivious) "To Thanksgiving! And cranberry sauce! And... Juan! Go team!"
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 25, 2024 9:23:42 GMT -5
I guess it is somewhat encouraging that the Mets are favorites for Soto thing continues to be based on nothing but people googling "Steve Cohen net worth". There hasn't been one peep out of the Mets encouraging this.
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Juan Soto
Nov 25, 2024 9:41:24 GMT -5
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Post by kwodes on Nov 25, 2024 9:41:24 GMT -5
In this article regarding the Yankees... "If the New York Yankees don’t re-sign Juan Soto, one back-up plan floating around is signing free-agent first baseman Christian Walker, sign either Willy Adames or Alex Bregman to play third, shift Jazz Chisholm to second base, trade for Cubs center fielder Cody Bellinger, and then use the extra money to sign Burnes, Fried or Snell." LOL wtf? After what Steinbrenner has said about payroll, they are now going to add close to $100,000,000 in payroll?
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 25, 2024 9:55:31 GMT -5
In this article regarding the Yankees... "If the New York Yankees don’t re-sign Juan Soto, one back-up plan floating around is signing free-agent first baseman Christian Walker, sign either Willy Adames or Alex Bregman to play third, shift Jazz Chisholm to second base, trade for Cubs center fielder Cody Bellinger, and then use the extra money to sign Burnes, Fried or Snell." LOL wtf? After what Steinbrenner has said about payroll, they are now going to add close to $100,000,000 in payroll? Yea I have a hard time seeing all of that happening. Perhaps 2 maybe 3 of those players but definitely not adding 4 guys making 20M+ a year.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 25, 2024 10:17:07 GMT -5
I guess it is somewhat encouraging that the Mets are favorites for Soto thing continues to be based on nothing but people googling "Steve Cohen net worth". There hasn't been one peep out of the Mets encouraging this. I don't know that we would necessarily know from the Mets brass how this is going though. When the Mets signed* Correa (after the SF Giants medical team dived in front of his contract signing like a live grenade), it was from Boras reaching out to Cohen directly, who was just drinking martinis in Hawaii. Cohen told then-GM Billy Eppler to make it happen. David Stearns might have a rather conventional offer out for Soto this week, and then Boras might just tell him "beat it, nerd" and engage with Daddy Warbucks on his own
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Post by badballhitter on Nov 25, 2024 12:30:47 GMT -5
I guess it is somewhat encouraging that the Mets are favorites for Soto thing continues to be based on nothing but people googling "Steve Cohen net worth". There hasn't been one peep out of the Mets encouraging this. It would honestly make a whole lot of sense for the Mets to get under the CBT this year. They only have $171M committed to the 2025 CBT limit according to Cot's Baseball Contracts. I'm 99.9% sure that's not what they'll do, but add it to the list of logical reasons the Mets shouldn't be the current front runners for Soto.
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 25, 2024 13:08:42 GMT -5
"Hey, chatgpt, the offseason hype is drying up a little bit. Write me a scene where the Red Sox go all out to sign Soto and invite him to Thanksgiving." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Scene: A bustling Thanksgiving table in a warm New England home. The turkey's been carved, and everyone is passing sides and sipping drinks. The personalities are larger than life, and the conversation is dynamic.] David Ortiz: (chewing on a turkey leg) "Mira, Juan. Boston’s got everything, man. Fenway? The fans? They’ll love you, bro. Trust Big Papi on this—there’s no place like it. You’ll be a legend." Juan Soto: (grinning, but cautious) "I mean, I hear you, Papi, but I don’t know. The market’s crazy right now, and Scott’s telling me—" Scott Boras: (interrupting with his trademark confidence) "—Juan. Remember, this is your decision. You’re a generational talent. A unicorn. Boston’s great, sure, but let’s not sell yourself short. There’s a lot of interest out there. A lot." Craig Breslow: (polished and measured, like the Ivy Leaguer he is) "Scott, I respect the hustle, but Boston’s a perfect fit for Juan. Think about it: our pitching is solid, the lineup is hungry, and we’re ready to win now. Juan could be the final piece." Theo Epstein: (calmly leaning forward, always the cerebral negotiator) "Juan, I built a curse-breaking team here before. It’s a special place. The fans are passionate, the history is rich, and Fenway is electric. Plus, Boston’s not just a baseball town—it’s a championship town. We’d treat you like family." Rob Gronkowski: (confused, but happy to be there, stuffing mashed potatoes into his mouth) "Wait, wait, hold up. Are we talking about a contract? I thought this was, like, Thanksgiving football stuff. Juan, dude, you ever play tight end? You’d crush it!" Mark Wahlberg: (leaning back, trying to play it cool but clearly repping Boston hard) "Gronk, c’mon, bro. We’re talking about making Juan the face of the Sox. Soto, listen—Boston’s got heart. You come here, you’re not just playin' baseball. You’re joining a family. Plus, I’ll make a movie about you someday. No pressure." Juan Soto: (laughing, but still cautious) "I appreciate it, guys, really. It’s just... I want to win, but I also want to feel secure, you know? I’m 25. This next deal needs to set me up for life." Scott Boras: (nodding, seeing the opening) "Exactly. Security, legacy, and financial commitment. Boston’s history is great, but let’s not forget the market value. We need to see the full package." David Ortiz: (playfully slapping Boras on the back) "Scott, we all know you love that 'full package,' but c’mon, man. Juan, you’ll make your money. Trust me. Winning in Boston? That’s priceless. Look at my rings, baby." Craig Breslow: (trying to bring it back to analytics) "Juan, we can offer you the best blend of support on and off the field. Advanced training, state-of-the-art analytics, and a lineup designed to maximize your impact. You’ll thrive here." Rob Gronkowski: (pointing at the cranberry sauce) "Okay, but real quick—can someone pass that? Juan, dude, I think Boston’s great too. But if you go, I better get season tickets or something." Theo Epstein: (smiling at Gronk but laser-focused on Soto) "Juan, you’ve got the opportunity to not just play baseball but make history. No one remembers the guys who just cashed in. They remember legends. Boston turns players into legends." Juan Soto: (pausing, clearly enjoying the attention, but still undecided) "Man, you’re making it tough. Big Papi’s right, I want to win. But Scott’s also right—I’ve got to think long-term." Mark Wahlberg: (leaning in, dramatic) "Soto, you belong in Boston. Imagine you in that Red Sox uniform, hitting bombs over the Green Monster. It’s destiny." David Ortiz: (raising a glass) "To Juan Soto, future Red Sox superstar!" Scott Boras: (raising an eyebrow) "Or... wherever the market takes him. Right, Juan?" Rob Gronkowski: (holding up a turkey leg, oblivious) "To Thanksgiving! And cranberry sauce! And... Juan! Go team!" JWH still not there?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 25, 2024 16:12:08 GMT -5
"Hey, chatgpt, the offseason hype is drying up a little bit. Write me a scene where the Red Sox go all out to sign Soto and invite him to Thanksgiving." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Scene: A bustling Thanksgiving table in a warm New England home. The turkey's been carved, and everyone is passing sides and sipping drinks. The personalities are larger than life, and the conversation is dynamic.] David Ortiz: (chewing on a turkey leg) "Mira, Juan. Boston’s got everything, man. Fenway? The fans? They’ll love you, bro. Trust Big Papi on this—there’s no place like it. You’ll be a legend." Juan Soto: (grinning, but cautious) "I mean, I hear you, Papi, but I don’t know. The market’s crazy right now, and Scott’s telling me—" Scott Boras: (interrupting with his trademark confidence) "—Juan. Remember, this is your decision. You’re a generational talent. A unicorn. Boston’s great, sure, but let’s not sell yourself short. There’s a lot of interest out there. A lot." Craig Breslow: (polished and measured, like the Ivy Leaguer he is) "Scott, I respect the hustle, but Boston’s a perfect fit for Juan. Think about it: our pitching is solid, the lineup is hungry, and we’re ready to win now. Juan could be the final piece." Theo Epstein: (calmly leaning forward, always the cerebral negotiator) "Juan, I built a curse-breaking team here before. It’s a special place. The fans are passionate, the history is rich, and Fenway is electric. Plus, Boston’s not just a baseball town—it’s a championship town. We’d treat you like family." Rob Gronkowski: (confused, but happy to be there, stuffing mashed potatoes into his mouth) "Wait, wait, hold up. Are we talking about a contract? I thought this was, like, Thanksgiving football stuff. Juan, dude, you ever play tight end? You’d crush it!" Mark Wahlberg: (leaning back, trying to play it cool but clearly repping Boston hard) "Gronk, c’mon, bro. We’re talking about making Juan the face of the Sox. Soto, listen—Boston’s got heart. You come here, you’re not just playin' baseball. You’re joining a family. Plus, I’ll make a movie about you someday. No pressure." Juan Soto: (laughing, but still cautious) "I appreciate it, guys, really. It’s just... I want to win, but I also want to feel secure, you know? I’m 25. This next deal needs to set me up for life." Scott Boras: (nodding, seeing the opening) "Exactly. Security, legacy, and financial commitment. Boston’s history is great, but let’s not forget the market value. We need to see the full package." David Ortiz: (playfully slapping Boras on the back) "Scott, we all know you love that 'full package,' but c’mon, man. Juan, you’ll make your money. Trust me. Winning in Boston? That’s priceless. Look at my rings, baby." Craig Breslow: (trying to bring it back to analytics) "Juan, we can offer you the best blend of support on and off the field. Advanced training, state-of-the-art analytics, and a lineup designed to maximize your impact. You’ll thrive here." Rob Gronkowski: (pointing at the cranberry sauce) "Okay, but real quick—can someone pass that? Juan, dude, I think Boston’s great too. But if you go, I better get season tickets or something." Theo Epstein: (smiling at Gronk but laser-focused on Soto) "Juan, you’ve got the opportunity to not just play baseball but make history. No one remembers the guys who just cashed in. They remember legends. Boston turns players into legends." Juan Soto: (pausing, clearly enjoying the attention, but still undecided) "Man, you’re making it tough. Big Papi’s right, I want to win. But Scott’s also right—I’ve got to think long-term." Mark Wahlberg: (leaning in, dramatic) "Soto, you belong in Boston. Imagine you in that Red Sox uniform, hitting bombs over the Green Monster. It’s destiny." David Ortiz: (raising a glass) "To Juan Soto, future Red Sox superstar!" Scott Boras: (raising an eyebrow) "Or... wherever the market takes him. Right, Juan?" Rob Gronkowski: (holding up a turkey leg, oblivious) "To Thanksgiving! And cranberry sauce! And... Juan! Go team!" I've been trying to replicate this and they keep on referring to Chaim Bloom as the CBO
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Post by ephus on Nov 25, 2024 18:45:07 GMT -5
Yes, because ChatGPT lives in 2022.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 25, 2024 19:43:13 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 25, 2024 19:49:42 GMT -5
Pretty accurate assessment by Cohen there. They're either going to sign him or not yup pretty correct.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 25, 2024 19:53:03 GMT -5
Andy Martino did a TV spot saying no offers have been made yet
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Post by cdj on Nov 25, 2024 19:53:06 GMT -5
Didn’t become a billionaire by accident, great analysis
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 25, 2024 20:05:23 GMT -5
Hope the first digit of the Sox offer begins with a 7.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 25, 2024 20:15:41 GMT -5
If the Mets don’t make the highest bid for Soto, what exactly is their pitch? Playing with Lindor? The supernatural wonders of Citi Field? Grimace?
Not only would Cohen seem capable of making the highest offer but… wouldn’t you think they kinda need to to? What else about the Mets dissuades him from either a return to the Bronx or Big Papi texting him constantly to come to Fenway
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Post by threeifbaerga on Nov 25, 2024 20:47:22 GMT -5
If the Mets don’t make the highest bid for Soto, what exactly is their pitch? Playing with Lindor? The supernatural wonders of Citi Field? Grimace? Not only would Cohen seem capable of making the highest offer but… wouldn’t you think they kinda need to to? What else about the Mets dissuades him from either a return to the Bronx or Big Papi texting him constantly to come to Fenway A chance to be the biggest star for a franchise on the rise with the reach and perks of living in New York City. A bunch of money and an owner that seems, on paper, more willing to spend well into the luxury tax to win. A team that made playoffs this year and made a pretty decent run to the NLCS. I mean I'm a Sox fan too but man, you can't really imagine that there's no reason a guy might want to play for another team?
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Post by rico6 on Nov 25, 2024 20:47:36 GMT -5
Hope the first digit of the Sox offer begins with a 7. 7 year offer?
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Post by melvinhoggs on Nov 25, 2024 20:49:38 GMT -5
If the Mets don’t make the highest bid for Soto, what exactly is their pitch? Playing with Lindor? The supernatural wonders of Citi Field? Grimace? Not only would Cohen seem capable of making the highest offer but… wouldn’t you think they kinda need to to? What else about the Mets dissuades him from either a return to the Bronx or Big Papi texting him constantly to come to Fenway They just made the NLCS and won more games against the Dodgers than the Yankees. An owner who is a proven non-penny pincher; someone willing to spend big to win and doesn't care much about flirting with the tax penalty lines. The huge NY market without being second fiddle to Judge – Lindor is a superstar on the field, but like Devers he isn't quite as much of a spotlight guy so Soto gets to be the guy.
I'm really not sure why people pretend that the Mets aren't a desirable landing spot and that Cohen would have to vastly outbid the competition for him to go there.
Edit: threeifbaerga mostly beat me to it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 25, 2024 20:50:57 GMT -5
Hope the first digit of the Sox offer begins with a 7. 7 year offer? Only if the goal is to not get Soto.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 25, 2024 21:04:13 GMT -5
If the Mets don’t make the highest bid for Soto, what exactly is their pitch? Playing with Lindor? The supernatural wonders of Citi Field? Grimace? Not only would Cohen seem capable of making the highest offer but… wouldn’t you think they kinda need to to? What else about the Mets dissuades him from either a return to the Bronx or Big Papi texting him constantly to come to Fenway A chance to be the biggest star for a franchise on the rise with the reach and perks of living in New York City. A bunch of money and an owner that seems, on paper, more willing to spend well into the luxury tax to win. A team that made playoffs this year and made a pretty decent run to the NLCS. I mean I'm a Sox fan too but man, you can't really imagine that there's no reason a guy might want to play for another team? Look I’m not trying to suggest they’re the A’s here, but it’s not like they’re a juggernaut. They’ve made the playoffs on and off the last few years under Cohen thus far. Their two best starters from 2024 (Manaea & Severino) are free agents, as is Pete Alonso. This is certainly not the best comparison for a whole host of reasons, but it’s like if an NBA free agent had to choose between the Celtics, Lakers and Clippers (with Steve Ballmer as Steve Cohen). They’re going to go with the little brother franchise if the money is equal? (Which it very well might not be with Cohen involved.)
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Post by incandenza on Nov 25, 2024 21:26:48 GMT -5
Listen, let's just do this scientifically (i.e., make up some numbers that give a quantitative gloss on our wild speculations):
On a 1-10 scale:
| Mets
| Red Sox
| Yankees
| Blue Jays
| Demonstrated willingness to spend/compete
| 10
| 7 | 10 | 7 | Prospect pipeline/young talent/bright future
| 6 | 9
| 3 | 3
| Is Big Papi around?
| 0 | 10 | 0 | 0 | Total | 16 | 26 | 13 | 10 |
As you can see, the Red Sox should be the clear favorites to sign Soto. That's just science.
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