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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 25, 2024 21:27:08 GMT -5
If the Mets don’t make the highest bid for Soto, what exactly is their pitch? Playing with Lindor? The supernatural wonders of Citi Field? Grimace? Not only would Cohen seem capable of making the highest offer but… wouldn’t you think they kinda need to to? What else about the Mets dissuades him from either a return to the Bronx or Big Papi texting him constantly to come to Fenway They just made the NLCS and won more games against the Dodgers than the Yankees. An owner who is a proven non-penny pincher; someone willing to spend big to win and doesn't care much about flirting with the tax penalty lines. The huge NY market without being second fiddle to Judge – Lindor is a superstar on the field, but like Devers he isn't quite as much of a spotlight guy so Soto gets to be the guy. I'm really not sure why people pretend that the Mets aren't a desirable landing spot and that Cohen would have to vastly outbid the competition for him to go there.
Edit: threeifbaerga mostly beat me to it.
While there are reasons the Mets might be attractive, I don't think the Mets need to be vastly outbid - just simply outbid. Plus, do you really think Soto wants to disappoint Ortiz and Pedro? |
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Post by asm18 on Nov 25, 2024 21:32:58 GMT -5
Listen, let's just do this scientifically (i.e., make up some numbers that give a quantitative gloss on our wild speculations):
On a 1-10 scale:
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| Red Sox
| Yankees
| Blue Jays
| Demonstrated willingness to spend/compete
| 10
| 7 | 10 | 7 | Prospect pipeline/young talent/bright future
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| 3 | 3
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| 0 | 10 | 0 | 0 | | Total | 16 | 26 | 13 | 10 |
As you can see, the Red Sox should be the clear favorites to sign Soto. That's just science. Should probably just detract 10 points from the Blue Jays because of Canada, but otherwise the science works out |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 25, 2024 21:49:04 GMT -5
Listen, let's just do this scientifically (i.e., make up some numbers that give a quantitative gloss on our wild speculations): On a 1-10 scale:
| Mets
| Red Sox
| Yankees
| Blue Jays
| Demonstrated willingness to spend/compete
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The analysis that seems most pertinent is that first category which is why the national consensus is it's either the Mets or Yankees. We'll see if that's ultimately true. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 25, 2024 22:38:49 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 25, 2024 22:44:16 GMT -5
Yup, this is a trophy contract for Boras to bag. It'll be record setting. That's why I said I hope the Sox offer has a 7 as the first digit in the total contract dollar amount. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 25, 2024 22:45:53 GMT -5
John Henry went with 111.11 million dollars in his Daisuke bid in 2008 I believe. Maybe they'll do 711.11 million this time around. I hope so - it's their best shot, although I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mets do 15 years 750 million.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 25, 2024 23:18:08 GMT -5
Would that lead to credence to Carlos Baerga’s Mets offer rumor ($660 mil)? Not sure where the “no offers have made been yet” is coming from if that article is correct - maybe Boras trying to nudge more teams (the Phillies?) to join the fray? Wonder if this is further along than we think |
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Post by sxfan on Nov 25, 2024 23:40:24 GMT -5
John Henry went with 111.11 million dollars in his Daisuke bid in 2008 I believe. Maybe they'll do 711.11 million this time around. I hope so - it's their best shot, although I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mets do 15 years 750 million. If the Werner and Henry offer 700 million, then they probably plan on selling the team near the end of this contract and they'll figure it's not their problem. That's the only thing I can think of that maybe they'll go there. Long term history proves the opposite with this ownership group, as you point out. |
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Nov 25, 2024 23:47:07 GMT -5
The fact that offers were made last week lines up with some of the rumblings we heard of something brewing internally. I have a strong feeling they made a very competitive offer and it’s just a matter how high Cohen will go — which by the way, would have to be higher than $50 million than the top bid to make up for the NY taxes. Does Cohen have the balls to make a $760+ million offer? He might have a breaking point here, believe or not. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 26, 2024 0:04:21 GMT -5
John Henry went with 111.11 million dollars in his Daisuke bid in 2008 I believe. Maybe they'll do 711.11 million this time around. I hope so - it's their best shot, although I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mets do 15 years 750 million. If the Werner and Henry offer 700 million, then they probably plan on selling the team near the end of this contract and they'll figure it's not their problem. That's the only thing I can think of that maybe they'll go there. Long term history proves the opposite with this ownership group, as you point out. I doubt they bid 700 plus million, but one thing to keep in mind - at the end of a 15 year deal, John Henry would be 90 and Tom Werner would be 89. It's not a given theyd be paying the bills by then. |
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Post by itinerantherb on Nov 26, 2024 0:09:08 GMT -5
Delicately put!
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 26, 2024 0:13:52 GMT -5
Does Cohen have the balls to make a $760+ million offer? He might have a breaking point here, believe or not. At some point every team is gonna have a nerd informing them that they'd win a lot more games spending the money elsewhere |
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Post by asm18 on Nov 26, 2024 0:18:51 GMT -5
Grain of salt, but Morosi saying a source confirmed Randy Miller’s report of those 5 teams already having offers out to Soto
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Post by sxfan on Nov 26, 2024 0:59:07 GMT -5
Grain of salt, but Morosi saying a source confirmed Randy Miller’s report of those 5 teams already having offers out to Soto Yeah it looks real, this week is the negotiating week. Hopefully a decision by the end of next week right before the winter meetings. |
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Post by sxfan on Nov 26, 2024 1:00:17 GMT -5
If the Werner and Henry offer 700 million, then they probably plan on selling the team near the end of this contract and they'll figure it's not their problem. That's the only thing I can think of that maybe they'll go there. Long term history proves the opposite with this ownership group, as you point out. I doubt they bid 700 plus million, but one thing to keep in mind - at the end of a 15 year deal, John Henry would be 90 and Tom Werner would be 89. It's not a given theyd be paying the bills by then. No they'll be gone long before then. Maybe they have it in them to go out with one last bang before they sell Fenway sports group in 10 years. |
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Post by ctsoxguy33 on Nov 26, 2024 3:04:39 GMT -5
John Henry went with 111.11 million dollars in his Daisuke bid in 2008 I believe. Maybe they'll do 711.11 million this time around. I hope so - it's their best shot, although I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mets do 15 years 750 million. If the Werner and Henry offer 700 million, then they probably plan on selling the team near the end of this contract and they'll figure it's not their problem. That's the only thing I can think of that maybe they'll go there. Long term history proves the opposite with this ownership group, as you point out. With the money FSG is gonna make on the Fenway real estate project alone they can add as much payroll as needed... All of the bars, restaurants and stores and gonna pay them huge rent to be part of the Fenway experience. It's like what Kraft did at Foxboro |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 26, 2024 6:50:55 GMT -5
I doubt they bid 700 plus million, but one thing to keep in mind - at the end of a 15 year deal, John Henry would be 90 and Tom Werner would be 89. It's not a given theyd be paying the bills by then. No they'll be gone long before then. Maybe they have it in them to go out with one last bang before they sell Fenway sports group in 10 years. It would be nice, but all "rumors" that I read or hear about, FWIW, has the Mets with the largest offer on the table by far, so I'm not holding my breath. And if that's the case they should throw their money into pitching and if they determine Devers is capable of playing 3b for a few more years, save their money for Vlad Jr's free agency next offseason, to land the RH middle of the order impact bat theyve been seeking. Also, I love what Ortiz is trying to do, but I dont think hes a factor here. Reminds me after the end of 2004 when he said, "Pedro isnt going to no Mets" or something like that when rumors swirled that he'd sign with Omar Minaya's team. His compadre signed with the Mets. I think Ortiz was surprised by his friend's decision I think it will be kind of similar here, but God love him, Ortiz is trying to help the Sox in any way he can. I keep hoping that Soto's free agency is more than just some mercenary money grab, but we'll see. |
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Post by peyton2002 on Nov 26, 2024 8:47:43 GMT -5
No they'll be gone long before then. Maybe they have it in them to go out with one last bang before they sell Fenway sports group in 10 years. It would be nice, but all "rumors" that I read or hear about, FWIW, has the Mets with the largest offer on the table by far, so I'm not holding my breath. And if that's the case they should throw their money into pitching and if they determine Devers is capable of playing 3b for a few more years, save their money for Vlad Jr's free agency next offseason, to land the RH middle of the order impact bat theyve been seeking. Also, I love what Ortiz is trying to do, but I dont think hes a factor here. Reminds me after the end of 2004 when he said, "Pedro isnt going to no Mets" or something like that when rumors swirled that he'd sign with Omar Minaya's team. His compadre signed with the Mets. I think Ortiz was surprised by his friend's decision I think it will be kind of similar here, but God love him, Ortiz is trying to help the Sox in any way he can. I keep hoping that Soto's free agency is more than just some mercenary money grab, but we'll see. |
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Post by asm18 on Nov 26, 2024 10:44:30 GMT -5
So uhhhh.... like a really really really good offer to even better offer maybe? |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 26, 2024 11:00:43 GMT -5
Hector Gomez is a BS artist I think
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Post by Smittyw on Nov 26, 2024 11:09:31 GMT -5
Hector Gomez is a BS artist I think He and Pepen are dead to me after last year. |
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Post by asm18 on Nov 26, 2024 11:25:46 GMT -5
Brendan Kuty (Yankees beat writer at The Athletic):
“Offers for Juan Soto are expected to go through multiple rounds, a league source tells @theathletic. The first round is expected to be "preliminary," meant to gauge genuine interest from all parties. The following offers/rounds, which could start around next week, are expected to become increasingly more serious, weeding out candidates and seemingly point toward a Winter Meetings-ish decision timeframe.“
Just have Jeff Probst extinguish the torch of one team per round
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 26, 2024 11:39:49 GMT -5
Brendan Kuty (Yankees beat writer at The Athletic): “Offers for Juan Soto are expected to go through multiple rounds, a league source tells @theathletic. The first round is expected to be "preliminary," meant to gauge genuine interest from all parties. The following offers/rounds, which could start around next week, are expected to become increasingly more serious, weeding out candidates and seemingly point toward a Winter Meetings-ish decision timeframe.“ Just have Jeff Probst extinguish the torch of one team per round Will there be an American Idol-style fan vote, as well? |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 26, 2024 11:42:00 GMT -5
That just sounds like someone tried to explain to Kuty how a negotiation works in general.
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