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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 14, 2024 1:37:09 GMT -5
I am learning that one year ago Juan Soto moved in to the same building that David Ortiz lives at in the Dominican.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 14, 2024 1:47:18 GMT -5
Darn….. darn you all for making me think Juan Soto is a reality. My daily work production has now officially dropped 10% until he signs somewhere. Is Durans chip for an elite pitcher in said scenario? Or does Rafaela become the super utility type? Still feel Abreu is a goner in the later scenario. Which I prefer actually, a the thought of a Soto/Duran/Anthony outfield is making me giddy. They're not trading Duran. Cora talks about him like hes an emerging leader and he gives them a dynamic that most teams don't have. Hes not going anywhere, nor should he. The Sox have a legit shot at Crochet without having to trade more than Abreu and hopefully second tier prospects. Why would a Duran trade even be a possibility? And yes, Soto/Duran/Anthony would be drool worthy. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 14, 2024 2:00:26 GMT -5
*he’s just now entering his prime*
You are paying for a generational talents entire prime. DO IT.
He is a proven winner who is the perfect guy to lead the franchise into a new era
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 14, 2024 2:10:53 GMT -5
Only the Red Sox have Cora.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 14, 2024 2:30:27 GMT -5
Darn….. darn you all for making me think Juan Soto is a reality. My daily work production has now officially dropped 10% until he signs somewhere. Is Durans chip for an elite pitcher in said scenario? Or does Rafaela become the super utility type? Still feel Abreu is a goner in the later scenario. Which I prefer actually, a the thought of a Soto/Duran/Anthony outfield is making me giddy. They're not trading Duran. Cora talks about him like hes an emerging leader and he gives them a dynamic that most teams don't have. Hes not going anywhere, nor should he. The Sox have a legit shot at Crochet without having to trade more than Abreu and hopefully second tier prospects. Why would a Duran trade even be a possibility? And yes, Soto/Duran/Anthony would be drool worthy. I never said it would be for crochet. Someone is the odd man out if Soto is signed, whoever that is would dictate the return and I don’t believe anyone is untouchable for the right price. Like I said, I like the ideal of Duran staying with Soto signed. But it certainly entertains an interesting conversation if it happens. If your outfield is Soto/Duran/Anthony you then have Abreu/Refsnyder/Rafaela/Yoshida on your roster. One has to to go, preferably two if you want some infielders and a catcher on your bench. I suppose Anthony could start the year in AAA…..but do we really want to see that? I’d be all in on the drool worthy outfield of Soto/Duran/Anthony. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 14, 2024 7:03:15 GMT -5
They're not trading Duran. Cora talks about him like hes an emerging leader and he gives them a dynamic that most teams don't have. Hes not going anywhere, nor should he. The Sox have a legit shot at Crochet without having to trade more than Abreu and hopefully second tier prospects. Why would a Duran trade even be a possibility? And yes, Soto/Duran/Anthony would be drool worthy. I never said it would be for crochet. Someone is the odd man out if Soto is signed, whoever that is would dictate the return and I don’t believe anyone is untouchable for the right price. Like I said, I like the ideal of Duran staying with Soto signed. But it certainly entertains an interesting conversation if it happens. If your outfield is Soto/Duran/Anthony you then have Abreu/Refsnyder/Rafaela/Yoshida on your roster. One has to to go, preferably two if you want some infielders and a catcher on your bench. I suppose Anthony could start the year in AAA…..but do we really want to see that? I’d be all in on the drool worthy outfield of Soto/Duran/Anthony. Dont sweat it. The Sox just might be able to pull off that Crochet deal using Abreu as the headliner, so Abreu would be the odd man out. If Anthony isnt ready you have an outfield of Soto/Duran/Rafaela to start with. I think if healthy, big if, Yoshida is ready to finally bust out over the full season, but lineup wise the balance would be better if they had a bat for the cleanup spot that could DH or play LF. They could DH Soto, if they somehow deal away Yoshida and go with Duran/Rafaela/Anthony or some iteration of that. I figure bring back O'Neill and DH him as I figure he'd be cheaper to bring back and after spending all that money to land Soto and trade for an extend Crochet, theyd probably opt for a cheaper alternative in O'Neill than trying to outbid the Dodgers for Teoscar Hernandez for 3 years 80 million or whatever, in addition to giving up a draft pick. But with Yoshida coming off surgery it's kind of tough to trade him without having to pay most of that contract and is probably not worth doing. So likely its Yoshida DHing, Soto in LF, Duran in CF, and either Anthony in RF on Opening Day or Rafaela there until Anthony is ready or heading needed to play SS again should Story get hurt again. Feels strange even running all of these scenarios in my head as its awesome to dream and Soto's acquisition would trigger a domino effect, but it would be worth it. Still dont see it happening but certainly fun to dream about. |
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Post by asm18 on Nov 14, 2024 8:21:43 GMT -5
On today’s Section 10 Pod, Carrabis was saying a Red Sox person had said before the off-season they had Soto odds at like 5%. Since the Passan story it’s in “double digits.” (The Soto stuff is in the first 10 minutes of the episode. Coley Mick accurately compares the concerns acquiring Soto to, “Oh no, prime Lebron James is available - but we already have two forwards!”)
My own personal handicap right now:
Mets - 40%
Yankees - 35%
Red Sox 20%
Dodgers 4.99%
Savanna Bananas .01%
Blue Jays - negative 6000%
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Post by costpet on Nov 14, 2024 8:37:21 GMT -5
Dream on. There is no way the Sox get Soto. The MFY's are just waiting to see what the highest bid is and then match it. Just like they did with Judge. He's only 24, so a 10 year contract is easily doable.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 14, 2024 8:45:01 GMT -5
Dream on. There is no way the Sox get Soto. The MFY's are just waiting to see what the highest bid is and then match it. Just like they did with Judge. He's only 24, so a 10 year contract is easily doable.
Presumably, Judge's agent tried to get the Yankees to match that offer before Judge agreed to sign with them. They evidently did not match that offer. But Judge signed with them anyway.
The Yankees did not get Ohtani. Or Yamamoto. Or Bryce Harper. Etc. etc. They are not a magical bag of gold that never empties out.
(Though there's at least some question as to whether the Mets might be.)
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Post by threeifbaerga on Nov 14, 2024 8:57:19 GMT -5
Dream on. There is no way the Sox get Soto. The MFY's are just waiting to see what the highest bid is and then match it. Just like they did with Judge. He's only 24, so a 10 year contract is easily doable. So many things in this post that just aren't true. |
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Post by briam on Nov 14, 2024 9:22:45 GMT -5
On today’s Section 10 Pod, Carrabis was saying a Red Sox person had said before the off-season they had Soto odds at like 5%. Since the Passan story it’s in “double digits.” (The Soto stuff is in the first 10 minutes of the episode. Coley Mick accurately compares the concerns acquiring Soto to, “Oh no, prime Lebron James is available - but we already have two forwards!”) My own personal handicap right now: Mets - 40% Yankees - 35% Red Sox 20% Dodgers 4.99% Savanna Bananas .01% Blue Jays - negative 6000% The tidbit from an agent representing a Sox target was interesting too. “Last year they just sent Eddie, this year all 7 showed up.” |
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Post by curll on Nov 14, 2024 9:32:38 GMT -5
Heyyyy Juan! How was ur day? 😊😛 Bet u hit a bunch of HR and walked a ton! haha I know how u are. Obvy things are probably weird after those complete and utter troglodytes in New York City let you down last month! 😤🤬 I dunno if u heard, but turns out I'm wicked rich🤑🤑 Just sayin', haha. Wouldn't it be funny if we kissed?🤯😘 OMGjk jk. Unless....😳
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 14, 2024 9:34:03 GMT -5
On today’s Section 10 Pod, Carrabis was saying a Red Sox person had said before the off-season they had Soto odds at like 5%. Since the Passan story it’s in “double digits.” (The Soto stuff is in the first 10 minutes of the episode. Coley Mick accurately compares the concerns acquiring Soto to, “Oh no, prime Lebron James is available - but we already have two forwards!”) My own personal handicap right now: Mets - 40% Yankees - 35% Red Sox 20% Dodgers 4.99% Savanna Bananas .01% Blue Jays - negative 6000% The tidbit from an agent representing a Sox target was interesting too. “Last year they just sent Eddie, this year all 7 showed up.” Don't think there's more than one agent who might have met "all 7" this offseason. |
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Post by bettsonmookie on Nov 14, 2024 9:37:24 GMT -5
ChatGPT also suggested Nick Yorke and Alex Verdugo as part of a Red Sox trade package for Garrett Crochet, so do with that what you will. ChatGPT aside, I think the logic holds true, with NYC offering less post-tax income than Boston. With a massive AAV, that marginal difference grows into a more noticeable figure, particularly for someone as financially driven as Soto. Am I correct in understanding (based on prior posts in thread) that NYM or NYY signing Soto would essentially leave them in luxury tax penalty for the foreseeable future? If so, that dynamic is extremely favorable to Boston in a bidding war. Every small amount they decide to tack on to their offer in the final stages of negotiating hurts NYC clubs via multiplier effect. NYC teams would have to match +10% to approx account for tax differences, and incur additional luxury tax penalties in the process. Unless I am missing something, that is a scenario where the Sox can make it extremely painful for their competitors, even if they do not ultimately succeed in bringing Soto to Boston. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 14, 2024 9:48:21 GMT -5
ChatGPT also suggested Nick Yorke and Alex Verdugo as part of a Red Sox trade package for Garrett Crochet, so do with that what you will. ChatGPT aside, I think the logic holds true, with NYC offering less post-tax income than Boston. With a massive AAV, that marginal difference grows into a more noticeable figure, particularly for someone as financially driven as Soto. Am I correct in understanding (based on prior posts in thread) that NYM or NYY signing Soto would essentially leave them in luxury tax penalty for the foreseeable future? Yankees are a hair under the 110% tax bracket with three lineup holes they need to fix Mets are like $100 million under the 110% tax bracket/$40 million under the first 62% bracket but also need to sign like three starting pitchers
The CBT rules are only in place through 2026 and then there's a new CBA negotiation so who knows what'll happen then. I would guess a majority of team owners are big fans of how the high luxury taxes are altering team behavior.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 14, 2024 10:32:00 GMT -5
Yankees are a hair under the 110% tax bracket with three lineup holes they need to fix Mets are like $100 million under the 110% tax bracket/$40 million under the first 62% bracket but also need to sign like three starting pitchers The CBT rules are only in place through 2026 and then there's a new CBA negotiation so who knows what'll happen then. I would guess a majority of team owners are big fans of how the high luxury taxes are altering team behavior.
In a world where they retain Soto, Yankees media people are floating Jasson Dominguez for open OF spot A, someone called Caleb Durbin for open INF spot B, and the they would just need to fill one more position (likely 1B - maybe they talk themselves into DJ LeMahieu not being cooked?). Does seem like if they do get Soto back they are just calling up whatever warm body they have in the org for pennies to fill the other spots. Which probably isn't ideal, although for Juan Soto I can't say I blame 'em |
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Post by rkarp on Nov 14, 2024 10:46:15 GMT -5
if the RS are in the mix, I am hoping that decisions are made quickly so that other holes can be filled, and other decisions made.
with or with out Soto, the RS farm system, their offer last year to Yamamoto, the potential for Fried, Snell, Crochet, the further improvements/full season for Casas, Story, Cedanne, Wilyer, Bello, Houck, Kutter
exciting offseason for RS
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 14, 2024 10:47:41 GMT -5
Yankees are a hair under the 110% tax bracket with three lineup holes they need to fix Mets are like $100 million under the 110% tax bracket/$40 million under the first 62% bracket but also need to sign like three starting pitchers The CBT rules are only in place through 2026 and then there's a new CBA negotiation so who knows what'll happen then. I would guess a majority of team owners are big fans of how the high luxury taxes are altering team behavior.
In a world where they retain Soto, Yankees media people are floating Jasson Dominguez for open OF spot A, someone called Caleb Durbin for open INF spot B, and the they would just need to fill one more position (likely 1B - maybe they talk themselves into DJ LeMahieu not being cooked?). Does seem like if they do get Soto back they are just calling up whatever warm body they have in the org for pennies to fill the other spots. Which probably isn't ideal, although for Juan Soto I can't say I blame 'em Accounting for income tax and assuming the luxury tax stays the same forever If the Red Sox offer $550,000,000 to Juan Soto (a projection spreadsheet approved number that they could even stay under the luxury tax this year with), then the Yankees would have to pay $1,260,000,000 for him to end up with the same amount of money. I just have a really hard time believing the Yankees are the favorites |
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 14, 2024 11:12:31 GMT -5
Yankees are a hair under the 110% tax bracket with three lineup holes they need to fix Mets are like $100 million under the 110% tax bracket/$40 million under the first 62% bracket but also need to sign like three starting pitchers The CBT rules are only in place through 2026 and then there's a new CBA negotiation so who knows what'll happen then. I would guess a majority of team owners are big fans of how the high luxury taxes are altering team behavior.
In a world where they retain Soto, Yankees media people are floating Jasson Dominguez for open OF spot A, someone called Caleb Durbin for open INF spot B, and the they would just need to fill one more position (likely 1B - maybe they talk themselves into DJ LeMahieu not being cooked?). Does seem like if they do get Soto back they are just calling up whatever warm body they have in the org for pennies to fill the other spots. Which probably isn't ideal, although for Juan Soto I can't say I blame 'em That would be quite the pitch to Soto, hey Juan we're going to pay you the necessary boatload but once you take that money we're out of money to improve our team elsewhere. Don't think that would work too well for them. |
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Post by radiohix on Nov 14, 2024 11:16:04 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Nov 14, 2024 11:19:36 GMT -5
Accounting for income tax and assuming the luxury tax stays the same forever If the Red Sox offer $550,000,000 to Juan Soto (a projection spreadsheet approved number that they could even stay under the luxury tax this year with), then the Yankees would have to pay $1,260,000,000 for him to end up with the same amount of money. I just have a really hard time believing the Yankees are the favorites Son of a nutcracker 😳 This raises the question of why the heck the Yankees didn't just jettison Cole when he decided to opt out |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 14, 2024 11:23:57 GMT -5
Yeah if they lose Soto the Cole situation is going to become a legendary fumble
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 14, 2024 11:27:19 GMT -5
I just can't bring myself to have any expectations in regards to Soto but the fact that it is being reported they are true players on a guy who is going to potentially set the record for largest contract does raise my expectations that they are spending some serious dough this offseason. I already had that expectation but this is definitely a good sign to me.
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Post by nomar on Nov 14, 2024 11:27:34 GMT -5
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