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Jon Denney
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Mar 21, 2014 19:21:55 GMT -5
I've said my piece. He needs to come clean, admit he was a jerk and that he is trying to learn from this. Ask for a shot at redemption and commit to walking the walk from here on out. If he does he has a strong chance of becoming the guy he thought he was. If not it is a near zero chance. No one will give him a break going forward without that redemption confession. The umps, his teammates, the FO, the fans. He has a chance to be a real hero out of this but he needs to walk the walk, volunteer his time to help others...etc.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 21, 2014 19:26:10 GMT -5
I've said my piece. He needs to come clean, admit he was a jerk and that he is trying to learn from this. Ask for a shot at redemption and commit to walking the walk from here on out. If he does he has a strong chance of becoming the guy he thought he was. If not it is a near zero chance. No one will give him a break going forward without that redemption confession. The umps, his teammates, the FO, the fans. He has a chance to be a real hero out of this but he needs to walk the walk, volunteer his time to help others...etc. You mean publicly? Seems inappropriate since no one even knows who the hell Denny is outside a tiny handful of prospect diehards.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Mar 22, 2014 5:42:25 GMT -5
I've said my piece. He needs to come clean, admit he was a jerk and that he is trying to learn from this. Ask for a shot at redemption and commit to walking the walk from here on out. If he does he has a strong chance of becoming the guy he thought he was. If not it is a near zero chance. No one will give him a break going forward without that redemption confession. The umps, his teammates, the FO, the fans. He has a chance to be a real hero out of this but he needs to walk the walk, volunteer his time to help others...etc. You mean publicly? Seems inappropriate since no one even knows who the hell Denny is outside a tiny handful of prospect diehards. HIS entire world knows who he is now. Every ump, every manager and FO person, many fans, his family and friends...etc. If he is ever going to make it I'm pretty sure a lot more people will know who he is and unless he is a mega stud player he will find it difficult to get much support from anyone unless he addresses the issue head on. It's PR management 101.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 22, 2014 7:06:30 GMT -5
What is Denney thinking right now?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 22, 2014 7:48:29 GMT -5
What is Denney thinking right now? I don't know but ask some of the other people on this thread because apparently they're all telepaths.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Mar 22, 2014 7:55:12 GMT -5
What is Denney thinking right now? Ah, the salient question. Doesn't make a bit of difference what we think. If Denney has the attitude "woe is me" or "Fricking cops screwed me again" or "I just can't catch a break," (all attitudes I am pretty familiar with from someone close to me) he'll bury himself. If he is thinking "I screwed up big time" (i.e., he takes ownership of who he is), then he has a chance. Regardless, I can see teammates, FO, and fans having an issue with him, but the umps? They're there to call a game impartially to the best of their abilities. Why should they care if a particular participant in the game made a mess of things in a situation/situations totally outside of baseball? After all, as some people have mentioned, a lot of teenagers get themselves into trouble outside of baseball, much of it having to do with their issues with authority. Do we really think the umps keep some kind of mental scorecard about these things? Now if that same attitude about life and authority creeps into Denney's relationship with the umps on the field (and catchers have a lot of interaction with the umps), then yes, I can see the problem. But until then, I don't think umpires will "have it in" for Denney because of what has been reported.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 22, 2014 7:57:57 GMT -5
You mean publicly? Seems inappropriate since no one even knows who the hell Denny is outside a tiny handful of prospect diehards. HIS entire world knows who he is now. Every ump, every manager and FO person, many fans, his family and friends...etc. If he is ever going to make it I'm pretty sure a lot more people will know who he is and unless he is a mega stud player he will find it difficult to get much support from anyone unless he addresses the issue head on. It's PR management 101. Ah yes, step one in any good 12-step program: PR management. What the hell are you even talking about? He's not going to get "support" from umps and managers if he doesn't have some kind of press conference or something? Denny needs to clean up his act, and if he does that, the people who need to know about it will know about it. Why on earth you think making some sort of public spectacle of that is going to help anything is beyond me.
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Post by mantush on Mar 22, 2014 11:06:52 GMT -5
Making a public spectacle of this will only make matters worse for Jon, as more people will be aware of his indiscretions. The media cycle has already run its course, and it's now time for Denney and the Sox to work together privately to get Jon back on the right track and on the path to success. If/when change does come, the people that matter--his teammates, coaches, and family/friends--will notice.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Mar 22, 2014 14:46:11 GMT -5
Umps are supposed to call games objectively and of course they are graded on it...etc., but I'm pretty sure some guys get the Michael Jordan treatment more than others. And Denney is on the bottom of that spectrum as of right now.
Ask a PR person what to do in this situation. Ask Josh Hamilton what to do in this situation. Do we want to wait until he's 25, to make any progress with this situation? Ask anyone who knows anything about substance abuse what to do in this situation. This wasn't just a DUI, which is obviously very bad in itself. This was multiple instances with the law and he's 19 isn't he? This is reports of an extreme drop in ability, in power and performance as a senior in high school. This is reports of an extremely enlarged sense of self during the police event which he even inflated to the extreme in an untruthful manner. This guy has shown classic avoidance behavior for the task at hand. He doesn't have it, ok. He is on a rocket to failure and if you guys can't see that what can I say? He can go on with his life like nothing big happened and make a half hearted effort to fix the problem but that is very likely to be doomed for failure. It's not just about the alchohol. The kid is in a make believe, self entitled, world where he thinks he's already made it and is entitled to a glide path in life. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reality is that he has a challenge ahead of him where 90% of the participants fail badly. He needs his A game to have any chance to make it.
The bottom line is that nothing anyone says or does will make much of a difference until he makes a clean break with the past. He has to accept the fact that he really has a problem and the more he accepts that and internalizes it into a newly constructed world view, the better. He can be intelligent and do it now, or he can do it later, but later may be too late.
I'm pretty sure the entire baseball world knows about this. Not all the fans but everyone around him knows about this. Other front offices know about this. His stock is way, way down. He needs a sincere redemption process. If he does embrace it fully he has a real chance of success.
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Post by mantush on Mar 22, 2014 15:49:31 GMT -5
Every one of us on this forum wants what is best for Jon Denney. If he has a problem—we do not know if he has a problem—then we want him to take the necessary steps and get better. However, this does not involve further shaming himself and the organization. Whatever problem Denney has, it is for him to work out with the aid of the Red Sox, his friends, and his family. Fans/media need not be involved.
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Post by raftsox on Mar 22, 2014 16:36:21 GMT -5
Umps are supposed to call games objectively and of course they are graded on it...etc., but I'm pretty sure some guys get the Michael Jordan treatment more than others. And Denney is on the bottom of that spectrum as of right now. Wow. A kid with less than 100 ABs in SSA ball is on the radar of Umps league wide? I think you topped the "Lavarnway is teh bestest because he went to an ivy league school" belief.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 23, 2014 11:10:28 GMT -5
Umps are supposed to call games objectively and of course they are graded on it...etc., but I'm pretty sure some guys get the Michael Jordan treatment more than others. And Denney is on the bottom of that spectrum as of right now. Ask a PR person what to do in this situation. Ask Josh Hamilton what to do in this situation. Do we want to wait until he's 25, to make any progress with this situation? Ask anyone who knows anything about substance abuse what to do in this situation. This wasn't just a DUI, which is obviously very bad in itself. This was multiple instances with the law and he's 19 isn't he? This is reports of an extreme drop in ability, in power and performance as a senior in high school. This is reports of an extremely enlarged sense of self during the police event which he even inflated to the extreme in an untruthful manner. This guy has shown classic avoidance behavior for the task at hand. He doesn't have it, ok. He is on a rocket to failure and if you guys can't see that what can I say? He can go on with his life like nothing big happened and make a half hearted effort to fix the problem but that is very likely to be doomed for failure. It's not just about the alchohol. The kid is in a make believe, self entitled, world where he thinks he's already made it and is entitled to a glide path in life. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reality is that he has a challenge ahead of him where 90% of the participants fail badly. He needs his A game to have any chance to make it. The bottom line is that nothing anyone says or does will make much of a difference until he makes a clean break with the past. He has to accept the fact that he really has a problem and the more he accepts that and internalizes it into a newly constructed world view, the better. He can be intelligent and do it now, or he can do it later, but later may be too late. I'm pretty sure the entire baseball world knows about this. Not all the fans but everyone around him knows about this. Other front offices know about this. His stock is way, way down. He needs a sincere redemption process. If he does embrace it fully he has a real chance of success. None of this calls for a public apology. Most of the "baseball" world still doesn't know Denny's name. He might be "that Red Sox prospect who..", but more likely he's "that prospect who" and even more likely it's a forgotten or unknown story to an Angel or Mariner fan. A press conference means absolutely nothing. Most of those things are scripted for damage control. When was the last news story on this? It's over publicly.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 23, 2014 11:21:52 GMT -5
Holy crap, is it just me who would be thrilled if this thread were locked?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 23, 2014 11:37:49 GMT -5
I would be ok with it dying in a dumpster fire.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Mar 23, 2014 17:04:47 GMT -5
Here is what Denney is thinking. Apparently some of you missed it:
- Denney, 19, was arrested at 2:22 a.m., at least his second run-in with law enforcement in the last three months. ( That’s AT LEAST 2 run ins with police in the last 3 months ).
- Police had pulled him over at 11:57 p.m. Wednesday night after he "accelerated quickly," causing his Ford F-150 Raptor to fishtail, according to the report. ( Apparently DRUNK and Hot rodding at the same time, peeling rubber ).
- Denney furnished a license that was restricted for business and emergency purposes after an alleged DUI in Arkansas, the report said. ( 2 DUI Charges probably in 3 months, and he’s only 19 )
- When asked by police why he was in the Fort Myers Beach area, Denney, according to police, replied: "Partying and looking to get some [expletive]." ( The guy has a polished way of communicating with police. That will get him far in life ). Shows signs of exceptional intelligence doesn’t it.
- Police issued a citation, according to the report, and Denney called a friend to drive him home. But about two hours later, the report said, police saw Denney enter his truck and drive out of a parking lot. When pulled over and asked why he was driving, Denney said he was giving a woman a ride, according to the report. "Denney then became belligerent and started to cuss" at the police officers, the report said. ( So that appears to make 3 instances of driving while drunk, and then willful disregard of police instructions after they LET HIM OFF THE FIRST TIME, and again showing so much stupidity that he talked back to the police with ignorant comments.
- According to police, Denney said "he was a Boston Red Sox player and he didn't care [sic] he had money and made more money than we would ever see." ( More incredibly ignorant, self entitled comments ).
- When handcuffed, the report said, Denney said "he would be out in no time because of who he played for and that he made three million a year." (In case you guys didn’t notice he got a $875,000 contract so he inflated his contract by what he thought he was going to get, not what he actually got, indicating a complete lack of self awareness of his situation and an extremely narcissistic view of reality).
- To top it all off look at this: In addition to the alleged DUI, which Yahoo Sports could not immediately verify, police in Washington County, Ark., arrested Denney on Dec. 7, 2013 for disorderly conduct, minor in possession of alcohol and littering after witnessing him throw a bottle of Malibu Black Rum into oncoming traffic, according to a police report. The bottle, the report said, narrowly missed a vehicle.(So freaking drunk he threw a bottle of Rum into oncoming traffic and so stupid he did it right in front of a policeman).
We don’t have to know what he is thinking. There is AMPLE evidence that this kid is on a freight train to nowhere. He needs a massive intervention which he needs to BUY INTO IMMEDIATELY. This isn’t a slap on the wrist type series of events. The Redsox have a large investment into this guy. They need to MANAGE it appropriately. Counselling and a complete buy in with the process from this guy or he needs to go immediately.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 23, 2014 17:54:26 GMT -5
Yeah, let's take the same few reports and repeat them with obvious comments over and over and over and over and over and over. Has there been anything remotely new or interesting since the first couple of pages?
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 23, 2014 20:24:37 GMT -5
I will unlock the thread when there is additional public information about Jon Denney.
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