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Post by theburn on May 24, 2014 8:41:51 GMT -5
I might be overreacting, but it's hard to imagine this team contending this year. I know it's still early (sort of), but with the combination of the apparent Lester contract extension stalls, and the Red Sox abysmal first two months of the season, I wonder if the thought of dangling Lester at the trade deadline has at all entered Cherington's mind by now. Could there be a suitable trade partner in the NL or AL West?
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Post by sibbysisti on May 25, 2014 9:25:40 GMT -5
Good point. With the stable of strong arms almost ML ready, and the team seeming to be going nowhere at this point, I'd explore the possibility. If there's no movement on Lester's contract before the end of the season, he's sure to explore FA. Some team will offer him 5 -6 years at big $.
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Post by jdb on May 25, 2014 10:37:47 GMT -5
6-8 weeks from now we'll have a better idea where we are as a team and what type of money Lester wants. If we're in the ballpark on price I don't want to trade him. If we are out of the race and Lester is insisting on 6+ years at $20+ million we should definitely see what's out there.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 25, 2014 12:58:49 GMT -5
Trade him now and re-sign him in the offseason.
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Post by moonstone2 on May 25, 2014 16:05:01 GMT -5
If the team were serious about giving up contention hopes the guy they would trade first would be Lackey.
Lackey might give you a really good haul especially because of his option next year.
Lester is going to be appealing to more teams once the playoff race shakes out. Many teams aren't going to want to risk trading prospects only to be ten games out of first in mid July.
The NL Central teams have prospects and could use another arm. Lester would fit perfectly in St. Louis. But St. Louis needs to show they are one player away from being NL champs again.
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Post by theburn on May 26, 2014 12:18:01 GMT -5
Lester came to mind first because of the apparent contract stall, also because he would probably net the biggest return. Lackey, and Peavy too, are also interesting. With all of the strong starting pitching options the Sox have in Pawtucket, I wonder at what point you're better off trading all of them so we can net a few prospects and assess Webster, Workman, and Ranaudo/RDLR at the big-league level.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 8, 2014 12:12:18 GMT -5
Here are some teams that I'm thinking MAY be interested in Lester and reasonable trade partners. Please feel free to criticize me here and offer your thoughts:
Detroit: trade for and resign lester, let scherzer walk?
Angels: they could use some pitching help and could resign him.
Mariners: their pitching staff is already good in my opinion but they could definitely use Lester to help vault them back to contention. Could resign him probably.
Brewers: if they keep it up i'm thinking they may need a frontline starter to seriously go for the world series. Could be similar to how they made the deal for Sabathia.
Dodgers: they're really underperforming and can resign him.
Giants: they have money to resign him and they're a serious contender
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Post by jdb on Jun 8, 2014 18:42:01 GMT -5
I'm not even sure the Brewers or LAA has a top prospect to headline a deal based on last years Garza trade, Do they?
We're about six weeks away from knowing if we're sellers but if they don't think they can resign him for 5 yrs at about Cains deal tops I'm all for seeing what we could get for him. I'd probably prefer he resigns in season like Hamels but again I don't think I go 6 years at all.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 9, 2014 8:19:57 GMT -5
My guess is that they don't tradeLester at the deadline. Then they make an effort to extend him up to the deadline for QOs. This way, for P.R. purposes, they can say, as in the Ellsbury case, they made every effort to resign him. Then they take the pick and promote one of the top prospects.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 9, 2014 10:31:43 GMT -5
I think it really depends on the return. While Lester's value might be up from a great season, the trade market can be flooded with Price, Sheilds, Samardzija, Lee, Kendricks probably available. It could be a case like we had last year, we weren't willing to meet the Lee price tag so we settled for an average starter in Peavy.
I am kind of torn here. As a Red Sox fan I believe Lester deserves an extension, and homegrown players should be rewarded. I am a little scared of the reaction the players, both Sox and free agents, would have if Lester is traded or not resigned. From a numbers on paper stand point, with the starting pitching we have in AAA, + Owens and Johnson I think our rotation will be just fine in 2015 and I would like to address the OF need, which I don't think we would be able to in the free agent market.
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Post by jdb on Jun 11, 2014 20:24:49 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 11, 2014 21:28:10 GMT -5
My guess is that they don't tradeLester at the deadline. Then they make an effort to extend him up to the deadline for QOs. This way, for P.R. purposes, they can say, as in the Ellsbury case, they made every effort to resign him. Then they take the pick and promote one of the top prospects. I have heard this from a lot of sources and I think you're right unfortunately... I hope they change their mind though or are blown away with some offer(s) for some of our guys. A supplemental draft pick wouldn't be as much of the return we would get if we traded him IMO. The team we are trading Lester to would probably be resigning him too, and there are a LOT of teams that could use Lester and would want to do that. Couple that with the fact that by selling, we will have a better chance at a higher draft pick in the 2015 draft if we have a watered down team in the last 2 months. Just as a disclaimer, I would personally support an extension of Lester... Its also my belief though that if Sox management doesn't plan on re-signing him, they should at least get as much as we can for him at the trade deadline. Selling worked out pretty well in 2012... This team does not look like its a contender. |
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Post by taftreign on Jun 11, 2014 22:43:37 GMT -5
Wasn't very long ago that it seemed plausible to trade Lester for Will Myers. In that deal TB got Myers, Odirizzi and two other prospects for Shields and Wade Davis. Now with only a half season of control instead of two full what does that reduce the value to? Whatever it is I imagine it would still be more valuable than a supplemental first. Even if the team gains a supplemental pick signing any alternative free agent starter likely costs them their first rounder which is a higher pick making zero sense unless they have a protected pick. I truly hope the team makes a legitimate attempt to resign Lester. The only scenario better than resigning him is trading him for prospects and then resigning him as a free agent but whichever team gives up prospects would sure as heck make a strong push to resign him to avoid fan backlash.
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Post by jdb on Jun 28, 2014 8:57:15 GMT -5
I hope the contract talks are heating up bc it's looking more and more likely we aren't going to be any better as a team when the deadline approaches. I'd like to resign him first but if we aren't close I'd deal him. Supposedly the Mariners are looking for pitching. I highly doubt they'd include Walker in a deal for a two month rental even if we added a piece or two but DJ Peterson looks like he could be a top 50ish prospect soon and Austin Wilson is hitting as well. Looks like they have a toolsy OF in Gabby Guerro (. Vlads nephew ) and some good young arms.
The Nationals with AJ Cole and Michael Taylor would be a good fit too. Steven Souza seems like he could be a late bloomer.
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Post by ding on Jul 4, 2014 19:21:11 GMT -5
With playoffs hope fading away by the day, and reportedly resigning Jon Lester comes to a halt between both parties. It makes lots of sense to start exploring the trade market to see how much we get from a Lester trade.
I'm just getting the ball rolling here. Any ideas?
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 4, 2014 20:08:57 GMT -5
Well if you are planning to trade Lester than you better get a great player back, package him with some prospects and swing for the fences.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 4, 2014 21:31:23 GMT -5
We're already discussing this in the "Trade Jon Lester? "thread. Welcome to sox prospects.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 5, 2014 15:00:18 GMT -5
One thing I will be watching over the next couple of weeks is the NL Central. I could see all four of the contending teams in that division having interest in Lester (to varying degrees). Milwaukee has lost four in a row and the division is tightening. The teams also have some interesting prospects that could entice the Red Sox to move Lester.
What Tampa does with Price is another X-Factor. If one of the four teams acquires Price, I could see another team making a hard push for Lester.
My dream scenario is the Cardinals giving up Taveras, but doubt that happens. Especially since if they were willing to give him up it would more likely be for Price. A more likely scenario would be something like Glasnow and Josh Bell from the Pirates. They have a lot of things that could go wrong with the rotation in the coming weeks. They will see if Liriano can come back healthy. Cole left with an injury last night. Both Worley and Locke have pitched well, but either could turn into a pumpkin tomorrow.
If the Red Sox do end up selling Lester, the best thing to root for as a Sox fan is this division tightening up in the standings.
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Post by artfuldodger on Jul 5, 2014 19:37:46 GMT -5
Lester is the equivalent or better.to CC when he was traded to the Brewers. As with CC, Lester should net a top 25 prospect plus more.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2014 19:47:40 GMT -5
Lester is the equivalent or better.to CC when he was traded to the Brewers. As with CC, Lester should net a top 25 prospect plus more. CC won the Cy Young the year before he was traded. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 5, 2014 21:34:52 GMT -5
One thing I will be watching over the next couple of weeks is the NL Central. I could see all four of the contending teams in that division having interest in Lester (to varying degrees). Milwaukee has lost four in a row and the division is tightening. The teams also have some interesting prospects that could entice the Red Sox to move Lester. What Tampa does with Price is another X-Factor. If one of the four teams acquires Price, I could see another team making a hard push for Lester. My dream scenario is the Cardinals giving up Taveras, but doubt that happens. Especially since if they were willing to give him up it would more likely be for Price. A more likely scenario would be something like Glasnow and Josh Bell from the Pirates. They have a lot of things that could go wrong with the rotation in the coming weeks. They will see if Liriano can come back healthy. Cole left with an injury last night. Both Worley and Locke have pitched well, but either could turn into a pumpkin tomorrow. If the Red Sox do end up selling Lester, the best thing to root for as a Sox fan is this division tightening up in the standings. Perhaps Baltimore who is battling for the division could be persuaded to part with either Dylan Bundy or Kevin Gausman. With Lester living in GA, you'd think the O's would have a chance to sign Lester long-term. Obviously for Lester you'd need a projectable top of the rotation pitcher or a stud outfielder. Perhaps Baltimore would be in a situation where they'd be very motivated to win this year enough to part with one of their top notch pitching prospects, especially if they considered Lester to be possibly more than a rental. My preference of course is that the Sox re-sign Lester and put an end to this kind of talk. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2014 21:39:16 GMT -5
One thing I will be watching over the next couple of weeks is the NL Central. I could see all four of the contending teams in that division having interest in Lester (to varying degrees). Milwaukee has lost four in a row and the division is tightening. The teams also have some interesting prospects that could entice the Red Sox to move Lester. What Tampa does with Price is another X-Factor. If one of the four teams acquires Price, I could see another team making a hard push for Lester. My dream scenario is the Cardinals giving up Taveras, but doubt that happens. Especially since if they were willing to give him up it would more likely be for Price. A more likely scenario would be something like Glasnow and Josh Bell from the Pirates. They have a lot of things that could go wrong with the rotation in the coming weeks. They will see if Liriano can come back healthy. Cole left with an injury last night. Both Worley and Locke have pitched well, but either could turn into a pumpkin tomorrow. If the Red Sox do end up selling Lester, the best thing to root for as a Sox fan is this division tightening up in the standings. Perhaps Baltimore who is battling for the division could be persuaded to part with either Dylan Bundy or Kevin Gausman. With Lester living in GA, you'd think the O's would have a chance to sign Lester long-term. Obviously for Lester you'd need a projectable top of the rotation pitcher or a stud outfielder. Perhaps Baltimore would be in a situation where they'd be very motivated to win this year enough to part with one of their top notch pitching prospects, especially if they considered Lester to be possibly more than a rental. My preference of course is that the Sox re-sign Lester and put an end to this kind of talk. Georgia is pretty far away from Maryland. Baltimore to Atlanta is probably 11 hours driving. They don't have the budget for Lester anyway. |
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Post by taftreign on Jul 5, 2014 22:06:06 GMT -5
One thing I will be watching over the next couple of weeks is the NL Central. I could see all four of the contending teams in that division having interest in Lester (to varying degrees). Milwaukee has lost four in a row and the division is tightening. The teams also have some interesting prospects that could entice the Red Sox to move Lester. What Tampa does with Price is another X-Factor. If one of the four teams acquires Price, I could see another team making a hard push for Lester. My dream scenario is the Cardinals giving up Taveras, but doubt that happens. Especially since if they were willing to give him up it would more likely be for Price. A more likely scenario would be something like Glasnow and Josh Bell from the Pirates. They have a lot of things that could go wrong with the rotation in the coming weeks. They will see if Liriano can come back healthy. Cole left with an injury last night. Both Worley and Locke have pitched well, but either could turn into a pumpkin tomorrow. If the Red Sox do end up selling Lester, the best thing to root for as a Sox fan is this division tightening up in the standings. If St Louis were in the market I could see a package deal with both Lester and Uehara going out. Perhaps then you can convince them to part with Taveras as the centerpiece coming back. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2014 22:16:04 GMT -5
They'd probably be more likely to give up a pitcher.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 5, 2014 22:31:32 GMT -5
They'd probably be more likely to give up a pitcher. They may be more likely to want to give up a pitcher but I believe both TB and Boston would want a top bat in return for Price or Lester. At this point there aren't alternatives of that ilk on the market so if they want a top line starter it's a decision they'll have to make. Side Note: Another prospect in the St Louis organization who is very young but I'd love to land is SS Edmundo Sosa. |
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