SoxProspects News
|
|
|
|
Legal
Forum Ground Rules
The views expressed by the members of this Forum do not necessarily reflect the views of SoxProspects, LLC.
© 2003-2024 SoxProspects, LLC
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Home | Search | My Profile | Messages | Members | Help |
Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
Trade Jon Lester?
|
Post by jrffam05 on Jul 29, 2014 9:57:13 GMT -5
I would assume that any offers we got from Toronto would motivate Baltimore to also up their offer. These two teams make a lot of sense for a Lester trade for a couple reasons to me (more than teams like STL and LAD)
First the typical powerhouses of the AL East are all on down years. Next, I would assume that if either of those teams made the trade it would make them the favorite to win the East. Third it gives them their wildcard starter if they don't win the division. I can't imagine a scarier situation in baseball then having the entirety of you 162 game season rest on a game against King Felix. These two teams are also in win now mode. They have quite a couple players who are outplaying their contracts and will demand big raises shortly. Their payrolls have never been higher either.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 10:24:40 GMT -5
I would assume that any offers we got from Toronto would motivate Baltimore to also up their offer. These two teams make a lot of sense for a Lester trade for a couple reasons to me (more than teams like STL and LAD) The more aggressive TOR is, the more aggressive Ben can shop TOR's offer to the other teams. If TOR offers Norris or Sanchez, try to use it to pry Taveras/Piscotty, Seager/Pederson/Urias, Bundy/Harvey, Glasnow/Taillon/Bell/Meadows/Kingham, Nelson or Walker/Peterson from STL, LAD, BAL, PIT, MIL or SEA. (Not saying they'll get any of these names, but you get the point.)
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 10:33:52 GMT -5
Baltimore and Toronto are probably the two best teams in the East and if one of the teams got Lester, it could be the difference.
|
|
|
Post by jdb on Jul 29, 2014 12:18:15 GMT -5
Also the Cubs could be a good third team to get a position player.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 12:26:19 GMT -5
Also the Cubs could be a good third team to get a position player. I suspect that Ben and Theo may have a conversation or two in the offseason, but prospect-prospect trades are tough to do.
|
|
|
Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 29, 2014 12:30:16 GMT -5
Also the Cubs could be a good third team to get a position player. I suspect that Ben and Theo may have a conversation or two in the offseason, but prospect-prospect trades are tough to do. And the Sox would almost certainly come up short on the value end of a three team trade if the purpose was to turn the return from pitchers to position players.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 12:38:56 GMT -5
I know the Cardinals have Wong, but what about a trade involving Lester and Betts for Taveras and one of their pitchers like Carlos Martinez or Shelby Miller?
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 13:08:17 GMT -5
I know the Cardinals have Wong, but what about a trade involving Lester and Betts for Taveras and one of their pitchers like Carlos Martinez or Shelby Miller? I don't see Taveras being traded in any deal. I had proposed a possible deal on July 8 in this thread and I will stick with it.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 13:10:15 GMT -5
Figured, but that's why I threw Betts in.
|
|
|
Post by ctfisher on Jul 29, 2014 13:52:48 GMT -5
Anyone think we might be able to get Heyward plus a prospect or 2 for Lester from the Braves? I haven't been following them closely, but I've heard they're in on Lester, and don't seem to have the cash to sign Heyward long term, and apparently Lester lives in GA in the offseason so they might think they can re-sign him, although if they're strapped for cash, maybe not
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2014 13:57:13 GMT -5
Anyone think we might be able to get Heyward plus a prospect or 2 for Lester from the Braves? I haven't been following them closely, but I've heard they're in on Lester, and don't seem to have the cash to sign Heyward long term, and apparently Lester lives in GA in the offseason so they might think they can re-sign him, although if they're strapped for cash, maybe not Think it would be tough because that creates another hole. I don't think Nava would be enough to fill it.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 14:07:18 GMT -5
Anyone think we might be able to get Heyward plus a prospect or 2 for Lester from the Braves? I haven't been following them closely, but I've heard they're in on Lester, and don't seem to have the cash to sign Heyward long term, and apparently Lester lives in GA in the offseason so they might think they can re-sign him, although if they're strapped for cash, maybe not Not now. I think ATL may think about trading Heyward or Justin Upton in the offseason. ATL is in more on Miller than Lester.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 15:25:15 GMT -5
Given that PIT is currently the leader in the clubhouse for Lester, here is a review of their top prospects:
Review of top PIT prospects:
Glasnow (#1, #20 MLB, #21 BA, #26 Sickels) - about to turn 21YO in high-A, plus fastball, potential for two other above-average pitches, profiles as #2 starter
Bell (#3, #33 MLB, #35 BA, #37 Sickels) - about to turn 22YO in AA, ability to hit for power and average, profiles as RF
Meadows (#4, #50 MLB, #43 BA, #51 Sickels) - 19YO in low-A, plus speed, line-drive hitter, hampered with hamstring problems this year, could remain in CF although not assured
Kingham (#5, #66 MLB, #37 BA, #58 Sickels) - 22YO in AAA, repeatable delivery, solid stuff, command-and-control guy with some projectability on his fastball, profiles as a middle-of-the-rotation starter but could be better
Hanson (#6) - 21YO in AA, probably has to move off SS due to a fringy arm but bat will play, has power and speed, has had some disciplinary issues at Altoona this year so PIT may look to sell low
Ramirez (#8) - 19YO in low-A, currently on DL, Colombia bonus baby, toolsy, can hit for power and average, hard to project since far away
Jones (#12) - 22YO in low-A, putting up good numbers but probably should be in high-A, plays 2B/SS/CF, high-ceiling/low-floor, strikes out a lot, but power/speed combo if can develop plate discipline
Garcia (#13) - 21YO in AA, big-time power but big-time strikeouts also, RF projection if can develop plate discipline, another high-ceiling/low-floor guy
(Taillon is hurt and is therefore not included, and Polanco is not being traded, so he's not here either)
|
|
jimoh
Veteran
Posts: 3,982
|
Post by jimoh on Jul 29, 2014 17:13:51 GMT -5
Does Josh Bell actually "profile as a RF" in our park? Average arm, average speed, knee survey on meniscus in 2012, often discussed as a LF or 1b.
Edit: hmm, some say strong arm, some say average, some say fringe.
|
|
|
Post by mattpicard on Jul 29, 2014 19:11:25 GMT -5
Does Josh Bell actually "profile as a RF" in our park? Average arm, average speed, knee survey on meniscus in 2012, often discussed as a LF or 1b. Edit: hmm, some say strong arm, some say average, some say fringe. Definitely a plus arm that will play fine in any RF. It's the jumps, routes, and speed that would be a concern with him at Fenway. Here's an except on his fielding from Chris King of BP:
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 19:31:14 GMT -5
You would probably play Bell in the smallest field (left at Fenway, right in other parks) due to footspeed, not arm.
Lots of rumors that PIT is about to move Bell to 1B permanently, assuming he's not traded.
|
|
|
Post by mattpicard on Jul 29, 2014 19:43:13 GMT -5
You would probably play Bell in the smallest field (left at Fenway, right in other parks) due to footspeed, not arm. Lots of rumors that PIT is about to move Bell to 1B permanently, assuming he's not traded. As they should, considering they have three above average defenders in the outfield. Bell will likely end up as either an average left fielder, or a first baseman, but if he gets better with his jumps and/or tracking over the next year or so, he could probably play a serviceable right field at Fenway for a couple of seasons.
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,825
|
Post by nomar on Jul 29, 2014 22:13:51 GMT -5
I found it hard to believe Bell couldn't be serviceable in LF, especially at Fenway. But his FRAA in RF is very ugly to the point where I'm not sure he could handle LF.
I know this is a very stupid and risky mind game to play, but my hearts getting set on a STL or LAD trade.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 22:33:32 GMT -5
There are some internet rumors about a possible Lester-to-PIT trade package, most of which would not be acceptable to most of you.
One interesting thought, however, is the possibility that BOS will take back Jose Tabata in the deal. Tabata is no longer a prospect and is no longer on the 40-man but he is owed approx. $9mm over the next 2+ years (approx. $1mm for the rest of 2014, $4mm in 2015 and $4.5mm in 2016, plus a $250k buyout after 2016.
Taking back Tabata's salary would be a creative way for BOS to upgrade the prospect(s) in the deal.
Just a thought.
|
|
|
Post by elguapo on Jul 30, 2014 11:01:12 GMT -5
One interesting thought, however, is the possibility that BOS will take back Jose Tabata in the deal. That is interesting. He at least has an immediate reasonable roster purpose as LF platoon for Nava. Is there any hope left for him? He was so age-advanced that he has never had real success with the bat at any level.
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jul 30, 2014 11:10:44 GMT -5
Nope. Would be as a way for PIT to save some sunk costs.
|
|
|
Post by jrffam05 on Jul 30, 2014 11:34:32 GMT -5
Amfox, with the new report that Lackey might be traded along Lester (not sure that means with Lester, but let's assume it does) what do you figure that trade would be?
|
|
|
Post by amfox1 on Jul 30, 2014 11:58:10 GMT -5
Amfox, with the new report that Lackey might be traded along Lester (not sure that means with Lester, but let's assume it does) what do you figure that trade would be? Not with Lester. If they're smart (and they generally are), they'll trade Lester first. The market for Lackey will be huge because teams on the periphery with money issues (read: CLE/MIA) can play in the Lackey market, given that he is cost-controlled for a year. I could see a trade of Lester to STL for a Piscotty/Kaminsky/lottery ticket package. Then, they auction Lackey. PIT would be inclined to bid up for Lackey, given that he's cost-controlled next year, so a package of a top pitching prospect (Glasnow/Kingham) and a bat (Meadows/Hanson /Ramirez) makes sense. If you trade Lester early enough, you might get teams like MIA (Yelich is a guy Ben covets) and CLE (how about Clint Frazier?) in on Lackey, given the low $ cost.
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,825
|
Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2014 12:29:52 GMT -5
I'd love Frazier. He's been mashing since mid June. Seems like he's putting it together after a slow start. Ks are a concern but he walks a good amount and should be a 15-20 SB guy.
|
|
|
Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 31, 2014 7:49:10 GMT -5
I think we'll get Allen Craig if it's St. Louis and Marte or Alvarez if it's Pittsburgh. Don't think it's any of the elite prospects everyone is drooling over.
|
|
|