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2014 General Minor League Thread
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Post by templeusox on May 31, 2014 10:31:51 GMT -5
I couldn't find one of these on the board. So I created this to post these weird aberrational splits for Carlos Correa:
VS RHP (142 AB): .394/.464/.592, 5 HR, 17/16 BB/K ratio VS LHP (47 AB): .085/.085/.149, 0 HR, 0/18 BB/K ratio
I mean it's probably just a weird outlier, but the K/BB ratio does indicate there might be an issue. Just weird.
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 26, 2014 19:10:51 GMT -5
Josh Bell's switch hitting splits on the other hand are a thing of beauty, turning into the monster many thought he would be. He and Jesse Winker are turning into my favorite corner outfield (I.e, system need) slugging prospects to fantasize about if we sell at the dead line
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 26, 2014 23:32:20 GMT -5
I couldn't find one of these on the board. So I created this to post these weird aberrational splits for Carlos Correa: VS RHP (142 AB): .394/.464/.592, 5 HR, 17/16 BB/K ratio VS LHP (47 AB): .085/.085/.149, 0 HR, 0/18 BB/K ratio I mean it's probably just a weird outlier, but the K/BB ratio does indicate there might be an issue. Just weird. Correa is out for the rest of the season with a fractured fibula (just above right ankle). baseballnewssource.com/injuries/astros-prospect-carlos-correa-will-miss-the-rest-of-2014/29520/If you look at Bell (at A+), look at the Pirates and their cost controlled or contracted players as well as their prospects, you could easily become a Sean Coyle (.357/.432/.589/1.021) fan.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 29, 2014 23:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 29, 2014 23:34:42 GMT -5
Why is there such a hankering for bell still all these years later? People still upset the team didn't draft him back in 2011? What if the did? Would they have had the money to have been able to afford Betts, JBJ, maybe Owens, or taken a lesser prospect over Swihart to allow for signing Bell?
The team spent 10+m that draft and was one of the best since Henry bought the team. Enough of the Bell fantasies these last couple of months, just like we had to endure LaPorta and Alvarez for years.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 30, 2014 4:04:26 GMT -5
Why is there such a hankering for bell still all these years later? People still upset the team didn't draft him back in 2011? What if the did? Would they have had the money to have been able to afford Betts, JBJ, maybe Owens, or taken a lesser prospect over Swihart to allow for signing Bell? The team spent 10+m that draft and was one of the best since Henry bought the team. Enough of the Bell fantasies these last couple of months, just like we had to endure LaPorta and Alvarez for years. In my case, at least, it's not at all past draft related, I'm not much of a pre-draft junkie, it's situation related. He's a high quality right field power hitting prospect which fills a system need. Even more appealing is that he's approaching the upper minors on a team that's an active trading partner and is pretty much blocked by long term commitments or even higher rated prospects. Polanco, McCutchen and Marte are not going anywhere soon and a swap makes sense for both teams. If you look at Pittsburgh's system, they are long on outfielders (Meadows included) but short on middle infield prospects and could use someone as soon as next year. None of their major league infielders are all that exciting. I'm pretty sure Coyle or Marrero would be of interest to them as well as pitching depth which is always of interest. Pittsburgh is a team that is poised to win soon. LOL, to give you an idea of how much I follow amateur sports, the last player we drafted who I was aware of prior to the draft was Ranaudo.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 30, 2014 5:44:13 GMT -5
Think a lot of the interest in Bell now is not just directed at Bell as a potential trade target, but someone the team was looking at as a draftee back in 2011 and was seeking a huge payday back then and that probably was (wisely) why the team passed on him and drafted several others instead. You probably remember how it was then here when he kept getting by the Sox with those 3 picks. 5m was nearly half of what the team spent, yet the boards were not happy when they didn't draft him, or some were not.
I wasn't calling you out there by any means Philsbosoxfan and you also are not the only one who doesn't pay close attention to HS/College games any longer. I used to greatly enjoy watching especially college games continually, but the last 2-3y it's not enjoyable any longer for some reason.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 30, 2014 6:26:53 GMT -5
If Bell went to college or if he was a bust, how many of these guys would be constantly talking about him ? If you notice we always hear about who people would have taken in people like Vitek's slot but we never hear from people on who they would have taken in Swihart's slot. We also never hear from people who actually know what they are talking about, when's the last time you heard amfox complain whine ?
It's funny, I don't follow the amateurs but I'll bet I could go back to the 2005 draft and come up with a much better draft than the Sox did. It's also funny that we don't hear from the guys who called Johnson a wasted draft pick a year ago. Where are those guys now ? I wonder why they're less vocal.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 30, 2014 7:04:49 GMT -5
Like the stock markets there. Some of us (or at least one) are calling for a massive sell off (trade) before the bubble bursts. Same with guys like Hernandez, if he has any value at all after the season and continues to do decent this season with his cutter. I don't see either myself as a part of the rotation in the future with everyone ahead of them at Pawtucket, or Owens next to Johnson at Portland.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2014 8:36:44 GMT -5
Wonder what happened when he got released from Cleveland? What a piece of crap.
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Post by lennsakata on Jul 1, 2014 10:42:32 GMT -5
Why is there such a hankering for bell still all these years later? People still upset the team didn't draft him back in 2011? What if the did? Would they have had the money to have been able to afford Betts, JBJ, maybe Owens, or taken a lesser prospect over Swihart to allow for signing Bell? The team spent 10+m that draft and was one of the best since Henry bought the team. Enough of the Bell fantasies these last couple of months, just like we had to endure LaPorta and Alvarez for years. Not sure if this is pointed at my original post, if so, please point out where I mention the 2010 draft? I remember the 2010 draft very well and virtually everybody agreed that his college commitment was air tight...so this has nothing to do with the Red Sox 2010 draft strategy, just a guy who was highly thought of coming into his own after a relatively slow start to his career...thought it might be of interest and you know, even topical given the thread title.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 1, 2014 13:34:17 GMT -5
Not necessarily connecting him with the 2010 draft, but him at all. Some are same users I remember who were vocal from the draft. Please do a "Josh Bell" search and go back if you will. It will become apparent then what I am getting at.
We all can become attached to players, especially on favorite teams. I was on the Lavarnway bandwagon here for several years as an example. Boston actually had him being a difference. They did draft him and I became a fan of his after they drafted him. Not a fan of someone because they didn't in the case of Bell as some others seem to have and earlier in Matt LaPorta, Pedro Alvarez, Brandon Kline. That just doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 1, 2014 16:18:23 GMT -5
Now that Hill has deservedly gotten at least a short shot at a lefty specialist with Anaheim. Resop has been released and who knows if Valdez will be around very long after he was activated from the DL. Is it time to take a look at some of the guys who will be eligible for the rule 5 draft over the winter, namely Kurcz, Ramirez and Celestino at Pawtucket instead of MiLB veterans, such as Valdez, Ely and IMO, Layne also?
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Post by lennsakata on Jul 2, 2014 10:46:43 GMT -5
Not necessarily connecting him with the 2010 draft, but him at all. Some are same users I remember who were vocal from the draft. Please do a "Josh Bell" search and go back if you will. It will become apparent then what I am getting at. We all can become attached to players, especially on favorite teams. I was on the Lavarnway bandwagon here for several years as an example. Boston actually had him being a difference. They did draft him and I became a fan of his after they drafted him. Not a fan of someone because they didn't in the case of Bell as some others seem to have and earlier in Matt LaPorta, Pedro Alvarez, Brandon Kline. That just doesn't make sense to me. My understanding was this thread was to discuss non-Red Sox minor league happenings,performances, statistics, etc. My post about Bell really has nothing to do with the Red Sox and what they did or did not do, just admiration for a guy producing great numbers from both sides of the plate in a tough hitters league. Either way, I'll take your word on the ire or passion associated with bringing up Josh Bell, sox decision making, etc and pass on that search.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 3, 2014 12:38:15 GMT -5
Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 16m Source: Yankees minor league pitcher Alfredo Aceves suspended 50 games for positive test for drug of abuse. Aceves currently at AAA.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2014 10:51:04 GMT -5
Ben Badler ?@benbadler 1h Rays Sign No. 1 International Prospect Adrian Rondon For $2.95 Million Today On His 16th Birthday: bit.ly/VSAmQr
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 7, 2014 11:49:46 GMT -5
Hope that works out for TB, a team more widely know the last few years of using the "shotgun effect" of spending little money on lots of picks in the rule 4 draft when they had them and it really hasn't been paying off for them.
Friedman needs to get something going in that system, it's not close to what it was, new rules or not.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 7, 2014 12:55:37 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 4 min. No. 1 pick brady aiken is said to have an elbow ligament issue. astros look to discount deal. story coming on @cbssports
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 7, 2014 13:15:02 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 4 min. No. 1 pick brady aiken is said to have an elbow ligament issue. astros look to discount deal. story coming on @cbssports Wow, that sucks. A little late to do much with that money. But I guess they could save it.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 7, 2014 13:19:02 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 4 min. No. 1 pick brady aiken is said to have an elbow ligament issue. astros look to discount deal. story coming on @cbssports Wow, that sucks. A little late to do much with that money. But I guess they could save it. Supposedly looking to cut it from $6.5 to $5 million. the $6.5 was already below slot for the #1 pick. Was this a recent injury or something? Because I have to imagine they had full medicals before they made the pick
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Post by templeusox on Jul 7, 2014 13:19:39 GMT -5
They can go after Mac Marshall I guess.
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Post by jmei on Jul 10, 2014 10:13:47 GMT -5
This is a neat little article on what playing in the GCL is like: www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24118There's a good bit of bluster from the agent writing the piece (this is, after all, free publicity for him), but interesting to hear some of the details of life in the low minors. In particular, my first thought was that major league teams should definitely pay for a nutritionist and provide a healthy pre-/post-game spread for all their minor league affiliates (even/especially the DSL). You also see how nice it is that JetBlue Park has housing right next to the fields and the training areas and such.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 10, 2014 10:26:33 GMT -5
This is a neat little article on what playing in the GCL is like: www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24118There's a good bit of bluster from the agent writing the piece (this is, after all, free publicity for him), but interesting to hear some of the details of life in the low minors. In particular, my first thought was that major league teams should definitely pay for a nutritionist and provide a healthy pre-/post-game spread for all their minor league affiliates (even/especially the DSL). You also see how nice it is that JetBlue Park has housing right next to the fields and the training areas and such. Completely agree re: nutrition. It makes me cringe when I read some kid on Twitter getting McDonalds. Don't they know just how bad that crap is? Especially for a professional athlete? It doesn't matter if they're skinny or not. I'm kind of shocked that nutrition isn't a much huger deal across all of sports from an early age because it does give an advantage. I think someday in the not-so-far future, nutrition will be seen in the same light as working out or not smoking. But it definitely isn't there yet. I mean athletes shouldn't even be drinking Gatorade IMO, those chemicals are not good for anyone. Drink some coconut water. And my god, the GCL sounds like hell on earth.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 10, 2014 12:12:47 GMT -5
That's a fantastic read. I still have never understood why the GCL always plays at noon (or maybe 11am) in that FL heat? Can't they play later in the afternoon at least? Or earlier in the morning?
I knew the money was bad, but I assumed hotels and 1-2 decent healthy meals each day are covered. Adding that can't be a huge expense to a major league team.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 10, 2014 12:30:35 GMT -5
Wow, that's an incredible and interesting read. I'm amazed that there isn't more emphasis on nutrition, like jmei said. These are teenagers growing into men - an absolutely crucial period for mental and physical development. I would bet the developmental benefits far outweigh the costs of potential in-season and off-season nutrition programs.
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