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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 8, 2014 22:46:08 GMT -5
So what was the move Farrel was talking about? Workman down and De La Rosa up?
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2014 22:49:23 GMT -5
So what was the move Farrel was talking about? Workman down and De La Rosa up? Yes.
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2014 22:57:30 GMT -5
It's easy to hate on Peavy for being not very good this year, but after reading his words tonight, you have to give the man some props. He's handling this situation exceptionally well, and he clearly loved playing in Boston. Hopefully he pitches well whereever he gets moved to and helps that team down the stretch and in the playoffs.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jul 8, 2014 23:48:53 GMT -5
It's easy to hate on Peavy for being not very good this year, but after reading his words tonight, you have to give the man some props. He's handling this situation exceptionally well, and he clearly loved playing in Boston. Hopefully he pitches well whereever he gets moved to and helps that team down the stretch and in the playoffs. . I have to agree. I believe he still has value as an average major league starter, and has shown the ability to be a 6/7 inning--2/3 earned runs guy, and he would benefit undoubtedly from what Stl does with its pitching staff. That being said, I think he plays his heart out, and has been a genuine class act. I won't miss the blowup outings but his presence surely will be missed
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 9, 2014 0:50:15 GMT -5
I just don't see the Cardinals giving up someone like Allen Craig for Peavy, so why not expand the trade a bit? Something like Lackey, Peavy, Koji, Marrero + for Craig and Shelby Miller, who is having a pretty bad season. You buy low on Craig and Miller, while shedding some payroll. Cardinals get two starting pitchers, Lackey has an additional year, and the best closer in baseball for the stretch. Marrero becomes shortstop of the future, throw in another prospect to balance it out if needed. Two of our best assets, elite closer and top tier lefty starter for two "buy low" guys? Yeah no thanks. I'd rather just trade Peavy for junk.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 9, 2014 1:51:16 GMT -5
I don't see Craig for Peavy as being situationally beneficial to either team. Would prefer Peavy and Koji for Tavares with whatever balancers ($$ and/or minor leaguers) are needed. The Cards are also in need of a closer.
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2014 2:22:01 GMT -5
I don't see Craig for Peavy as being situationally beneficial to either team. Would prefer Peavy and Koji for Tavares with whatever balancers ($$ and/or minor leaguers) are needed. The Cards are also in need of a closer. I disagree that the Cards need a closer, Rosenthal has been fine. Scary at times (particularly early in the year), but overall he has done solid work. Uehara obviously represents an upgrade, but I'm not sure they'd pay a premium for him like we may be able to get somewhere else (if they are willing to offer Tavares like you want, I'm down though haha). I think the Pirates would give him a hard look. Melancon in the heat of a playoff hunt....iffy. Maybe we could get Alen Hanson or Josh Bell or an arm like Glasnow or something.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 9, 2014 4:06:54 GMT -5
I like Bell a lot. On the other hand Bell won't be ready for 2015 and Tavaras will. I'm sure we'd have to give up a lot for him but there are some trades that would be worth the cost relative to the team situation. There are limits to that too but our minors are deep at several positions (Cecchini or Middlebrooks come to mind). With the Cards young talented pitching staff, Rosenthal set up and Koji closing would be an upgrade in two places and extend their bullpen effectiveness by an inning in tight games.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 9, 2014 4:36:28 GMT -5
The St. Louis GM seemed to be alluding to David Price, I would think, when he said he'd have to give up someone from the starting rotation in order to get a "top starter". It could also be Lester though right? It appears to me that St Louis is looking for a starter and preferrably a top starter ( which team isn't? ) and Boston is just shopping Peavey. No big deal but there is probably a whole lot of discussion going on right now for Redsox starting pitching.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 9, 2014 6:05:47 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Jul 9, 2014 7:37:26 GMT -5
If Atlanta is in on Peavy it should be noted they need LH RP pretty bad. There was a blog linked on MLBTR with one of their beat guys suggesting Miller. They don't have a ton in that system but Lucas Simms is considered their top guy but they have a pretty good younger SS they might would trade with Simmons locked up.
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Post by jmei on Jul 9, 2014 7:48:01 GMT -5
I don't see Craig for Peavy as being situationally beneficial to either team. Would prefer Peavy and Koji for Tavares with whatever balancers ($$ and/or minor leaguers) are needed. The Cards are also in need of a closer. They're definitely not going to trade what was the second-best prospect in baseball for Peavy and Koji. Lester would have to be in the deal, and it would almost certainly require more than that. Maybe Lester and Koji is enough to get the conversation started, but certainly nothing less than that and maybe more. I think the Red Sox could certainly use a guy like Craig. He's an outfielder who's got some pop (he's been a "middle-of-the-order-hitter," which is apparently much in demand) and is under team control at reasonable dollars over the next few years. He's not the no-doubt stud everyone would prefer, but over the past three years, he compares reasonably favorably offensively to a couple other guys that folks have been clamoring for (CarGo and Cruz) once you adjust for park effects. Ideally, he'd be left-handed, but he also doesn't have severe platoon splits and can be a full-time starter. You can hide some of his defensive faults in LF, but he also has the flexibility to move to RF or 1B, which adds a layer of injury protection.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 9, 2014 7:59:07 GMT -5
All I know is there's five pages of hype here and in the end I'm gonna be disappointed with what we eventually get.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 9, 2014 8:47:17 GMT -5
All I know is there's five pages of hype here and in the end I'm gonna be disappointed with what we eventually get. We're getting a box of balls and a candy bar. (Now you won't be disappointed)
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2014 9:46:22 GMT -5
Cardinal fans generally can't wait to get rid of Craig.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 9, 2014 10:01:56 GMT -5
Peavy might not be worth a ton, but there are quite a couple teams who would take him. That has to give him more value than we would think. STL, LAD, LAA, SF, ATL, BAT, TOR, SEA all can fit.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2014 10:11:25 GMT -5
Beckett just went on the DL too.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 9, 2014 10:41:57 GMT -5
Any team we dangle Peavy in front of is going to ask for Lackey. It's like you're at the club and this girl comes up to you and says "my friend thinks you're cute" and you say "the one on the left or the one on the right" you hope it's the one on the left.....but it's the one on the right.
Perhaps we could get something more serious back for Lackey from St. Louis
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Jul 9, 2014 11:47:46 GMT -5
Beckett to the DL is great news.
I would think Lackey and something for this year (badenhop? Holt?) would get Peterson.
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2014 11:58:03 GMT -5
I think just Lackey would get Pederson. ESPECIALLY with his league minimum deal next year.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 9, 2014 12:03:50 GMT -5
What we need are good outings from our players on the block. Every good outing will bump up their trade value. I hope Peavy throws a shutout next time out. I am not a fan for Trading Lester. Give him the cash. I would want a lot for Koji and even more for Lackey.
As far as Peavy being traded, I would prefer the best player we can get for him, and not just focus on an outfielder.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 9, 2014 12:11:42 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 6s If #RedSox make RPs available, expect #Dodgers to show interest. Uehara, Miller, Badenhop potential FAs. Breslow $100K buyout on $4M option. Add Peavy to that mix, we might see a good return.
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Post by ehaz on Jul 9, 2014 12:22:22 GMT -5
I just don't see the Cardinals giving up someone like Allen Craig for Peavy, so why not expand the trade a bit? Something like Lackey, Peavy, Koji, Marrero + for Craig and Shelby Miller, who is having a pretty bad season. You buy low on Craig and Miller, while shedding some payroll. Cardinals get two starting pitchers, Lackey has an additional year, and the best closer in baseball for the stretch. Marrero becomes shortstop of the future, throw in another prospect to balance it out if needed. Two of our best assets, elite closer and top tier lefty starter for two "buy low" guys? Yeah no thanks. I'd rather just trade Peavy for junk. Top-tier lefty starter? When did I mention trading Lester? I'm in the resign camp. But I'd like to know how a year of Lackey, 2 months of Koji/Peavy and an additional prospect is too much to give up for a cost-controlled 29 year old with a career 125 OPS+ AND a 23 year old pitcher who besides this year has an excellent track record and top of the rotation potential?
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Post by oleary25 on Jul 9, 2014 12:28:18 GMT -5
I'm really hoping the Red Sox are talking to the Pirates and Mariners. They really could give us a hell of a return for future players. Needless to say the deadline should be exciting this year for the whole Soxprospects forum.
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2014 12:52:28 GMT -5
Two of our best assets, elite closer and top tier lefty starter for two "buy low" guys? Yeah no thanks. I'd rather just trade Peavy for junk. Top-tier lefty starter? When did I mention trading Lester? I'm in the resign camp. But I'd like to know how a year of Lackey, 2 months of Koji/Peavy and an additional prospect is too much to give up for a cost-controlled 29 year old with a career 125 OPS+ AND a 23 year old pitcher who besides this year has an excellent track record and top of the rotation potential? That cost controlled 29 year old hasn't hit in year and Miller is nice and all, but doesn't miss bats anymore and is walking guys. That is troublesome, way too troublesome to trade a guy who is going to be at the front of a rotation on minimum salary next year(Lackey), the best closer in baseball, and a good prospect in Marrero for.
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