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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 3, 2014 18:36:18 GMT -5
Gahahahaha. Good thing that wasn't nationally televised. Lol, it is on ESPN. Stankies are a joke. F THEM!
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 3, 2014 18:37:39 GMT -5
Craig has done absolutely nothing, 1-19 since he has been here. And on top of that, he has injuries problems that he cant quite overcome.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 3, 2014 18:41:03 GMT -5
I am in New York, watching the game on the YES Network. Kay and whoever is doing color are bending over backwards to make sure that we all know that Gardner is 100% to blame for that TOOTBLAN2.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 3, 2014 19:21:50 GMT -5
Can we get my boy some runs?
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Post by charliezink16 on Sept 3, 2014 19:22:22 GMT -5
Mookie is 0-2 and looks damn good in doing so.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 3, 2014 19:27:49 GMT -5
He is an idiot on the bases
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 3, 2014 19:46:45 GMT -5
He is an idiot on the bases Yup. That needs to be corrected. His laziness in the outfield also needs to be adressed.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 3, 2014 19:59:09 GMT -5
Listen there's plenty of options here. He is no superstar.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 3, 2014 20:01:15 GMT -5
I love it only one team gets the corner called strike
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Post by radiohix on Sept 3, 2014 20:24:46 GMT -5
Another Meh performance by Ranaudo :/
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Post by larrycook on Sept 3, 2014 20:29:08 GMT -5
Can we sit Craig for the rest of the season?
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 3, 2014 20:30:16 GMT -5
Can we sit Craig for the rest of the season? This.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 3, 2014 20:32:44 GMT -5
Paul O'Neill said it best, "Craig is a mess."
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 3, 2014 20:50:54 GMT -5
I don't know why Betts can't play 2 nd base at all ?
Farrell is pitching Wilson against all these lefties. This game is aggravating me.
Looks like Ranuado labored a little bit. Got to think these kids are spent up until this point. The Offense did nothing in this game.
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Post by redsox4242 on Sept 3, 2014 21:25:04 GMT -5
Wow, Welcome new member to the golden somebrero Allen Craig! Bum.
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Post by danr on Sept 3, 2014 21:42:56 GMT -5
Nomar's batting average cratered when he went from selectively aggressive to overly aggressive. He saw 3.26 pitches per plate appearance in 1998-2000 and 3.08 from 2002-2004. I think his dramatic decline had much more to do with the wrist injured when he was hit with a pitch. Later, he was diagnosed with some kind of rare ailment that, I think, caused more scar tissue to develop from an injury than normal, or something like that. In any case, he never came close to what he was hitting before that injury.
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Post by godot on Sept 3, 2014 22:07:21 GMT -5
Nomar's batting average cratered when he went from selectively aggressive to overly aggressive. He saw 3.26 pitches per plate appearance in 1998-2000 and 3.08 from 2002-2004. I think his dramatic decline had much more to do with the wrist injured when he was hit with a pitch. Later, he was diagnosed with some kind of rare ailment that, I think, caused more scar tissue to develop from an injury than normal, or something like that. In any case, he never came close to what he was hitting before that injury. Another example of a no nothing, believing that Nomar was "over aggressive". Like I said people who read James and believe they know it all are dangerous , just as the people who read Alinsky, who by the way as a crappy writer, believe they are expert about organizing.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 3, 2014 22:16:12 GMT -5
Did I really just get compared to Saul Alinsky? I'm flattered, but a tad bewildered. '
Anyhow, back on topic for those who would like to actually discuss it rather than just call those they disagree with mid-20th century community organizers...
In 1999 Nomar made contact with the first pitch 119 times and hit .420. In 2000, he made contact 125 times and hit .432! That is pretty awesome, and exactly the sort of aggressiveness you want - if they swing early in the count, they don't make an out.
In 2001, he missed most of the season with the wrist injury.
Forward to 2002. Nomar made contact with 164 first pitches, and hit .323. In 2003, he also made contact 164 times, hitting .341.
Those numbers don't seem awful at first, but when you look - in both of those seasons he made over 100 outs having only seen one pitch. So yes - of course the injuries played a role in his decline! I certainly wouldn't argue otherwise. But any argument that hyper-aggressiveness was the key to Nomar's success just falls flat. He was swinging at the first pitch 40% more often during his decline phase than at his peak. He excelled in 1998-2000 by picking and choosing those first pitches to swing at, and punishing them. His approach in those times was the definition of selective aggressiveness.
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Post by atzar on Sept 3, 2014 22:19:12 GMT -5
So I'm seeing a lot of rancor directed at Nava tonight. What did he do? I couldn't catch much of the game tonight.
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Post by mredsox89 on Sept 3, 2014 22:25:51 GMT -5
So I'm seeing a lot of rancor directed at Nava tonight. What did he do? I couldn't catch much of the game tonight. He got picked off standing up. Took two lazy steps with his head down, Teixeira tagged him up high.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 3, 2014 23:47:08 GMT -5
Nava pulls a bad base running play. Farrell will probably use that as an excuse to play whoever he senses brings a lot of energy to the team in his place for the next 3 months. Nava will have to hit .380 to overcome it.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 4, 2014 1:47:34 GMT -5
It's interesting because the opposite was true in the past. He was much better with runners on base. He's only been better with runners on base because of an very low BABIP. His walk rate has always been significantly worse with runners on base. I think this low BABIP with runners on base is an unsustainable small sample-related fluke, whereas Eric thinks it's a skill. Actually, no, I don't think that in the least. I think there's reason to believe that it may be a skill, and that therefore he represents a very interesting gamble. (If it's true, the higher walk rate with runners on is causally related to the lower BABIP: it's succesful nibbling, whereas with the bases empty, he's been too aggressive at challenging hitters. Perhaps.) I believe I said that explicitly (which I admit I don't always do).
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 4, 2014 1:55:28 GMT -5
Gahahahaha. Good thing that wasn't nationally televised. The question is, is Brett Gardner the first person in baseball history to get caught stealing 2B, with the catcher, first baseman, second baseman, shortstop, and third baseman all getting an assist?
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 4, 2014 6:19:05 GMT -5
That Jeter-Gardner double steal is exactly the sort of play Farrell would call for, and had exactly the sort of result he seems to be aiming for all the time.
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Post by jmei on Sept 4, 2014 7:03:39 GMT -5
Actually, no, I don't think that in the least. I think there's reason to believe that it may be a skill, and that therefore he represents a very interesting gamble. (If it's true, the higher walk rate with runners on is causally related to the lower BABIP: it's succesful nibbling, whereas with the bases empty, he's been too aggressive at challenging hitters. Perhaps.) I believe I said that explicitly (which I admit I don't always do). You're right, I misspoke. I went back to read it and realized I overstated your position and was meaning to come back and edit my post but other things came up.
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