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9/2-9/4 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 4, 2014 21:29:24 GMT -5
Good loss boys!!!
Need to lose more. Keep rolling Koji out. At this point it's a sure loss and that's good with me.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 4, 2014 21:30:22 GMT -5
What happened to Koji's splitter?
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Post by pedroiaesque on Sept 4, 2014 21:33:42 GMT -5
It's not going to be a fun trip back to Boston for anyone.
And not that I want the Sox to lose, but I am curious how this ugly stretch will ultimately impact the pricetag to bring Koji back next year.
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Post by godot on Sept 4, 2014 21:57:28 GMT -5
You have to wonder about the Sox's decision making. It was petty obvious before the deadline that Koji was on his last legs. I wonder if they just find takers. Farrell is also in denial about him. Add a closer to the to do list for next year.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 4, 2014 21:58:29 GMT -5
What happened to Koji's splitter? The same thing that occasionally happens to Lester. The ball is flat and very hittable. His arm is heavy and lacks the ability to snap it off. We really need to make a strong push for the Yankees closer this offseason
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Post by dcsoxfan on Sept 4, 2014 21:58:50 GMT -5
Middlebrooks welcome has to be worn by now. He is absolutely awful. I only half agree. While I am not bullish on Middlebrooks, I think there's a 50-50 chance he's got one big season in him (think a poor man's Brandon Moss). I think it worth the risk of keeping him in AAA for another year in the hope that he explodes during his age 27 year and we can trade him for a lot more than he's worth now. Plus his trade value is worth nearly nothing at this moment.
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Post by p23w on Sept 4, 2014 22:04:27 GMT -5
The numbness returns.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 4, 2014 22:12:02 GMT -5
Middlebrooks welcome has to be worn by now. He is absolutely awful. I only half agree. While I am not bullish on Middlebrooks, I think there's a 50-50 chance he's got one big season in him (think a poor man's Brandon Moss). I think it worth the risk of keeping him in AAA for another year in the hope that he explodes during his age 27 year and we can trade him for a lot more than he's worth now. Plus his trade value is worth nearly nothing at this moment. I get what you are saying. His value now is nothing, but him having that 1 season, then all of a sudden having tremendous trade value is not likely either. A guy, just like him is/was Dominic brown. Philly kept trying to get him going. Then finally he had that 1 season in 2013 where he hit all those HR. It was rumored all winter that Amaro was trying to move him, about the only chip he thought Philly had, but there was little value in Brown, who had shown Middlebrooks like qualities previously and behold.. Come 2014, he reverted right back to the player he previously was. Teams are not going to give up that much for a 1y wonder, who still is probably going to hit a lot of HR with an OBP hovering in the .310-330 range. Put a track record behind him (Mark Trumbo) of high HR totals, low OBP and you might get something in return.
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Post by jmei on Sept 5, 2014 8:02:25 GMT -5
He's also approaching the max number of innings thrown by him in any season. One way to assure he's out of the SP shuffle next year is to just keep running him out there, tired or not.. Not saying it's what is going on, but look at what he's throwing.. His FB is not as crisp as we saw earlier. He's not even starting games at 92-4 now and that curve doesn't look nearly as sharp. Not say (any longer that is) he couldn't be more valuable as the old Franklin Morales, but if their long term plans are as the swing guy, having him out there with a 89-90 FB in the 2nd inning just isn't right, he's tired and nobody is going to admit it, outside of Jim Palmer at least. Workman is 26 and is may hit 140 innings tonight. If that workload has him tired then he isn't a starter. Workman has always had a high-effort delivery, which is why I've always liked him better as a reliever. He's one of those guys whose velocity noticeable declines as games go on, and it sure looks like his velo noticeable declines as the season stretches on, too (though note that he's been up-and-down and been in and out of the bullpen, which might muddle this narrative). I think he's a reliever going forward.
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Post by jmei on Sept 5, 2014 8:09:58 GMT -5
I only half agree. While I am not bullish on Middlebrooks, I think there's a 50-50 chance he's got one big season in him (think a poor man's Brandon Moss). I think it worth the risk of keeping him in AAA for another year in the hope that he explodes during his age 27 year and we can trade him for a lot more than he's worth now. Plus his trade value is worth nearly nothing at this moment. I get what you are saying. His value now is nothing, but him having that 1 season, then all of a sudden having tremendous trade value is not likely either. A guy, just like him is/was Dominic brown. Philly kept trying to get him going. Then finally he had that 1 season in 2013 where he hit all those HR. It was rumored all winter that Amaro was trying to move him, about the only chip he thought Philly had, but there was little value in Brown, who had shown Middlebrooks like qualities previously and behold.. Come 2014, he reverted right back to the player he previously was. Teams are not going to give up that much for a 1y wonder, who still is probably going to hit a lot of HR with an OBP hovering in the .310-330 range. Put a track record behind him (Mark Trumbo) of high HR totals, low OBP and you might get something in return. The big difference between Middlebrooks and Brown is that Middlebrooks is an average defensive third baseman and Brown is one of the worst defensive left fielders in the league. Even with his god-awful 2014, Middlebrooks is a career .239/.285/.421 (88 wRC+) hitter, which would make him a slightly below-average starter at 3B (about a 1.5 win player per 600 PAs). That's valuable, especially if he shows he can play another position or two (1B, 2B, LF) and at least be useful right-handed power off the bench for an NL team or something. No, even with a big bounce-back season next year, Middlebrooks will still not have that much trade value, but there's pretty much zero cost to holding onto him for another year and seeing what happens.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 5, 2014 8:15:57 GMT -5
Good loss boys!!! Need to lose more. Keep rolling Koji out. At this point it's a sure loss and that's good with me. I don't get people here who are rooting for losses. You might as well be a Yankee or Rays fan as far as I'm concerned. I hate to lose at anything and this season has been sickening. If they lose at this point I'm resigned to it, but it's nothing I can cheer for no matter what the draft implications. As a fan the last thing I want is a single digit draft pick unless they start letting these teams trade draft picks. There's no Bryce Harper in this draft, or a Kris Bryant; there doesn't even appear to be a David Price type. And if you really think there's a perennial future all star in the first round please identify him now and stand by that for the next four years so we can see how he does against the odds and probability as they counterbalance potential. Disgusting.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Sept 5, 2014 9:52:54 GMT -5
And if you really think there's a perennial future all star in the first round please identify him now and stand by that for the next four years so we can see how he does against the odds and probability as they counterbalance potential. I'm sure Cherington, Sawdaye and their staff are already on it.
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Post by kman22 on Sept 5, 2014 10:14:22 GMT -5
Good loss boys!!! Need to lose more. Keep rolling Koji out. At this point it's a sure loss and that's good with me. I don't get people here who are rooting for losses. You might as well be a Yankee or Rays fan as far as I'm concerned. I hate to lose at anything and this season has been sickening. If they lose at this point I'm resigned to it, but it's nothing I can cheer for no matter what the draft implications. As a fan the last thing I want is a single digit draft pick unless they start letting these teams trade draft picks. There's no Bryce Harper in this draft, or a Kris Bryant; there doesn't even appear to be a David Price type. And if you really think there's a perennial future all star in the first round please identify him now and stand by that for the next four years so we can see how he does against the odds and probability as they counterbalance potential. Disgusting. Well it is September. The draft isn't until June of 2015. Most teams wait until June to make their selection.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 5, 2014 10:21:29 GMT -5
Good loss boys!!! Need to lose more. Keep rolling Koji out. At this point it's a sure loss and that's good with me. I don't get people here who are rooting for losses. You might as well be a Yankee or Rays fan as far as I'm concerned. I hate to lose at anything and this season has been sickening. If they lose at this point I'm resigned to it, but it's nothing I can cheer for no matter what the draft implications. As a fan the last thing I want is a single digit draft pick unless they start letting these teams trade draft picks. There's no Bryce Harper in this draft, or a Kris Bryant; there doesn't even appear to be a David Price type. And if you really think there's a perennial future all star in the first round please identify him now and stand by that for the next four years so we can see how he does against the odds and probability as they counterbalance potential. Disgusting. But there could be a Clint Frazier at #5 instead of settling on such a boom/bust Trey Ball at #7. But seriously, the biggest issue is heading into the winter with the option of signing qualified free agents. Because we're not signing any of them if we have to give up the #12.
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Post by danr on Sept 5, 2014 10:40:02 GMT -5
Workman is 26 and is may hit 140 innings tonight. If that workload has him tired then he isn't a starter. Workman has always had a high-effort delivery, which is why I've always liked him better as a reliever. He's one of those guys whose velocity noticeable declines as games go on, and it sure looks like his velo noticeable declines as the season stretches on, too (though note that he's been up-and-down and been in and out of the bullpen, which might muddle this narrative). I think he's a reliever going forward. I agree completely. I think Workman can have a long career as a reliever, but not as a starter. He could be a key man in the BP next year.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 5, 2014 12:51:20 GMT -5
Middlebrooks is an average defensive third baseman Name 10 starting 3B who are better defenders than WMB.
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Post by jmei on Sept 5, 2014 13:14:23 GMT -5
Middlebrooks is an average defensive third baseman Name 10 starting 3B who are better defenders than WMB. Machado, Donaldson, Arenado, Headley, Wright, Longoria, Beltre, Seager, Moustakas, Frazier, and nine more.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 5, 2014 13:50:43 GMT -5
Name 10 starting 3B who are better defenders than WMB. Machado, Donaldson, Arenado, Headley, Wright, Longoria, Beltre, Seager, Moustakas, Frazier, and nine more. You couldn't even be bothered to normalize to the same number of IP? Pretty lazy stat use. Anyway, I think WMB improved his defense greatly through 2013 and is now at least as good a defender as his 2014 UZR makes him out to be. I'd bet on his UZR going up further except that I have no confidence that a significant further sample size is going to be generated...
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 5, 2014 19:46:35 GMT -5
Agree. Same with Trumbo, who isn't exactly known as that great defensively around the bag at 1st, or in LF. Was just bringing up the point of getting a guy who had never had a high obp ever, to magically all of a sudden have 1 career season and have some kind of large value on the market, it won't happen.
None of those guys mentioned are like Reddick in the field, far above average (GG caliber) and it was the same story with him on his downfall.
Not that they couldn't stick him at Pawtucket and leave him with some hope it can't be fixed somehow. Don't know what direction they will go there with all the position changes? Is Coyle now a 2b again, or will he go back to 3b. Will Cecchini stay in LF, get to go back to 3b, or get to have his chance in Boston? Will Shaw even be tried out as a MLB 1b/3b utility type player at Pawtucket early next season?
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 6, 2014 8:34:28 GMT -5
Name 10 starting 3B who are better defenders than WMB. Machado, Donaldson, Arenado, Headley, Wright, Longoria, Beltre, Seager, Moustakas, Frazier, and nine more. I'm always surprised at how good Moustakas is at fielding 3B, he just doesn't look like a 3B. Prime buy low candidate that I'd love to bet on over WMB next year.
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Post by joshv02 on Sept 6, 2014 20:27:36 GMT -5
Machado, Donaldson, Arenado, Headley, Wright, Longoria, Beltre, Seager, Moustakas, Frazier, and nine more. You couldn't even be bothered to normalize to the same number of IP? Pretty lazy stat use. Great point. Go ahead and re-sort by UZR/150 and let us know what you find out.
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Post by mattpicard on Sept 6, 2014 22:56:58 GMT -5
Mookie in a NESN interview is talking about how he has a special comfort batting in the leadoff spot (he's happy anywhere, but he likes leadoff the most).
Even if Castillo works out well offensively, does anyone really want to see him (or any non-Mookie) occupying our leadoff spot in 2015?
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