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Post by okin15 on Oct 24, 2012 9:50:07 GMT -5
little OT but intersting Scott Lauber @scottlauber Francona to Cleveland media (from @mlbastian) on final years w/#RedSox: "My title didn't need to be manager. It was like fire-putter-outer." Maybe he shouldn't have let his kids play with matches.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 25, 2012 14:14:47 GMT -5
RT @buster_ESPN Jays/Sox Farrell comp talks came down to two players: Aviles or Andrew Bailey. Aviles gives TOR flexibility w/Escobar.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 25, 2012 14:38:31 GMT -5
Can't say I like this deal much. Was the difference between Farrell and the next best freely-available manager really greater then the value of Mike Aviles?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 25, 2012 17:15:16 GMT -5
Can't say I like this deal much. Was the difference between Farrell and the next best freely-available manager really greater then the value of Mike Aviles? If the Sox feel the familiarity factor with John Farrell (and they feel he's going to be an excellent manager) makes him more attractive than Brad Ausmus, then yes, he's worth the value of Mike Aviles, who in my opinion is a disposable player. I get that we're not in the A-Rod/Nomar/Jeter/Tejada era of SS anymore, but Aviles basically stopped hitting after an early season good start, and his OBP was an awful .282. If/when the Sox are in serious contention next time, Aviles won't be the SS. He was a stop-gap pure and simple. I know Iglesias most likely will be awful offensively as a SS, but his defensive value should make up most of the offensive difference between him and post-Aprilish Aviles when Aviles stopped hitting. As it is, Aviles is a decent utility player, and that's what he'll likely be with Toronto. He's not a difference maker for the Sox in '13, and I doubt his trade value is that high - the Sox wouldn't likely get much for him in a deal - maybe a fringe reliever. Given that, I don't think he's much of an overpay for Farrell or a big loss. If the Sox had dealt Bailey, bad September aside, for Farrell, then I would have been pretty annoyed. With Aviles gone, I was relieved - our minor league system was spared and a player who doesn't factor long-term (and is arbitration eligible) was the price.
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Post by soxfan06 on Oct 25, 2012 18:15:01 GMT -5
I would have been pissed if Aviles was the starting SS next year anyway. This team needs to address that position desperately soon.
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Post by MLBDreams on Oct 25, 2012 18:38:11 GMT -5
Tim Bogar is now out of Red Sox organization as coaching staff. I don't know what his reason is. I guess he didn't accept any other position role that is offer from John (coaching) or Ben (FO).
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 25, 2012 19:52:33 GMT -5
There have been "rumours" that he was one of the coaches who didn't have Bobby V's back. He has denied it. But, unfortunately, those stories linger and can inhibit a candidate's ability to land another ML coaching position. Loyalty is a critical quality when selecting a coach.
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Post by mainesox on Oct 25, 2012 20:34:43 GMT -5
Can't say I like this deal much. Was the difference between Farrell and the next best freely-available manager really greater then the value of Mike Aviles? Win-win if you ask me, not only do they get a manager, but I also don't have to watch Aviles play every day next year? Count me in.
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Post by soxfan06 on Oct 25, 2012 23:11:19 GMT -5
There have been "rumours" that he was one of the coaches who didn't have Bobby V's back. He has denied it. But, unfortunately, those stories linger and can inhibit a candidate's ability to land another ML coaching position. Loyalty is a critical quality when selecting a coach. Further highlighting how much of a douche Bobby V. He has damaged Bogar's reputation greatly and now he will have to answer those questions no matter where he goes. Bobby V is the worst kind of guy.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 26, 2012 7:12:33 GMT -5
Pay back time for a stab in the back?
Anyway this episode is over. Its time to move on. Hope Farrell wins MOTY, but he'll need a lot of luck, committment from some key players, and help from Ben to achieve it.
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Post by sdl on Oct 26, 2012 14:34:00 GMT -5
With two carpenters on the 40 man roster, here's hoping the Sox can build something good. Cherington could make a deal with the Patriots for LB Bobby Carpenter ;D
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Post by remember04 on Oct 26, 2012 14:45:17 GMT -5
There have been "rumours" that he was one of the coaches who didn't have Bobby V's back. He has denied it. But, unfortunately, those stories linger and can inhibit a candidate's ability to land another ML coaching position. Loyalty is a critical quality when selecting a coach. Further highlighting how much of a douche Bobby V. He has damaged Bogar's reputation greatly and now he will have to answer those questions no matter where he goes. Bobby V is the worst kind of guy. So how much does this really hurt Bogar? I'll give you an example. You know two people, one who is a fairly honest guy and never has anything bad to say about anybody and the other seems like a major jerk who always blames everybody but himself. If they tell you conflicting stories about a person which one are you more likely to believe? Yes I can imagine the average Joe believing Valentine and thinking less of Bogar but anybody in a position to hire somebody for a coaching job for a MLB team I would like to think is smart enough to know which one to believe or at least find out for themselves. Bobby V didn't pick Bogar either. Most coaches are picked by the manager and are longtime friends or acquaintances with some exceptions but these people will believe their friend/acquaintance over some joker.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 26, 2012 14:52:28 GMT -5
From MLBRumors:
The Marlins asked to speak with Padres special assistant Brad Ausmus about their managerial opening only to hear that the former MLB catcher isn't interested, Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald reports. Ausmus interviewed for Boston's managerial vacancy and was considered by the Astros before withdrawing his name from consideration. Mike Redmond and Bryan Price are candidates for the position in Miami.
Smart guy!!
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 26, 2012 19:59:10 GMT -5
Further highlighting how much of a douche Bobby V. He has damaged Bogar's reputation greatly and now he will have to answer those questions no matter where he goes. Bobby V is the worst kind of guy. So how much does this really hurt Bogar? I'll give you an example. You know two people, one who is a fairly honest guy and never has anything bad to say about anybody and the other seems like a major jerk who always blames everybody but himself. If they tell you conflicting stories about a person which one are you more likely to believe? Yes I can imagine the average Joe believing Valentine and thinking less of Bogar but anybody in a position to hire somebody for a coaching job for a MLB team I would like to think is smart enough to know which one to believe or at least find out for themselves. Bobby V didn't pick Bogar either. Most coaches are picked by the manager and are longtime friends or acquaintances with some exceptions but these people will believe their friend/acquaintance over some joker. Your last sentence says it all about Valentine's introduction to the Sox "system". We see now that Farrell has bene given the opportunity to select his own bench coach...as it well should be. The bench coach is the manager's right hand man, a hand picked confidant who has a history and trust with the manager. Did Bobby have that same opportunity?
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 30, 2012 11:04:33 GMT -5
Evan Drellich evandrellichBrian Butterfield is the Red Sox's third base coach. Leaves Blue Jays
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 30, 2012 12:51:08 GMT -5
seems like a good hire, to a lot of reporters
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