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Post by soxfan06 on Jun 10, 2016 19:13:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure it can be understated how impressive shutting down the Mississippi State offense is. That lineup is lethal.
Ridiculously impressive outing by Dalbac today.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 10, 2016 19:17:38 GMT -5
Dalbec could be heard today on the mound angrily talking to himself "draft me as a 3rd baseman"
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 10, 2016 19:25:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure it can be understated how impressive shutting down the Mississippi State offense is. That lineup is lethal. Ridiculously impressive outing by Dalbac today. Well they haven't exactly been the most patient team today - took only 5 pitches for Dalbec to get out of the 7th.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 10, 2016 19:32:17 GMT -5
Actually, it is a part of his job as far as analysis would go. And you really should read exactly what he said because he was asked about Groome's character issues and siad they weren't as bad as most think. I did read it; he's more reporting hearsay, and I know he's tempering that hearsay. But my commentary on him stands. I appreciate his baseball opinions, while finding him insufferable as a person, insofar as I've experienced his personality through his chats. Isn't that all he does is report consensus while never watching any prospect? I don't understand why he has credibility.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 10, 2016 19:32:47 GMT -5
One of the most popular sports stars in the area right now is immature and an idiot (I say that in the nicest way possible) and it's worked out okay. That's pretty much understated. He cheated by deflating a few balls and involved others, destroyed his cell phone before the investigation (Hillary trick), tell the fans screw you by wearing a Yankee hat and crying because he didn't like where he was drafted. FTFY
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 10, 2016 19:35:48 GMT -5
That's pretty much understated. He cheated by deflating a few balls and involved others, destroyed his cell phone before the investigation (Hillary trick), tell the fans screw you by wearing a Yankee hat and crying because he didn't like where he was drafted. FTFY If you followed anything by this and didn't just repeat everything ESPN told you, TFB destroys every phone he has ever had when replacing it. A bit of advice - drop the hatred of the Patriots on this site and just come here for Red Sox discussion.
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Post by templeusox on Jun 10, 2016 19:59:07 GMT -5
Glad I brought it up.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 10, 2016 20:08:27 GMT -5
For reference, Gronk is my favorite NFL player.
I also consider Clemens and Nomar to be total dirtbags.
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Post by myleskennefick on Jun 10, 2016 20:09:01 GMT -5
I did read it; he's more reporting hearsay, and I know he's tempering that hearsay. But my commentary on him stands. I appreciate his baseball opinions, while finding him insufferable as a person, insofar as I've experienced his personality through his chats. Isn't that all he does is report consensus while never watching any prospect? I don't understand why he has credibility. I think Law actually scouts guys (or at least some of them) in person. I know he scouted Groome and I remember him tweeting out while scouting Greenville last year. I agree he can be pretty condescending though
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 10, 2016 20:10:08 GMT -5
I did read it; he's more reporting hearsay, and I know he's tempering that hearsay. But my commentary on him stands. I appreciate his baseball opinions, while finding him insufferable as a person, insofar as I've experienced his personality through his chats. Isn't that all he does is report consensus while never watching any prospect? I don't understand why he has credibility. You might be confusing Keith Law for Chad Ford. Keith writes up several scouting trip columns per summer.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 10, 2016 20:17:30 GMT -5
Isn't that all he does is report consensus while never watching any prospect? I don't understand why he has credibility. I think Law actually scouts guys (or at least some of them) in person. I know he scouted Groome and I remember him tweeting out while scouting Greenville last year. I agree he can be pretty condescending though Agree on the condescending part but in general the analytics game is more who you know than what you have seen. Keith isn't alone on that boat, there's no way to see all the players they gather opinions on. I like Callis a lot, for example, but how many games do we think he actually sees ? I think Kieth has a lot of contacts from his Blue Jays days.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 10, 2016 20:21:20 GMT -5
I highly doubt the Sox brass is going to lose any sleep over that. Some will go to the GCL, some will go to Lowell, players will get injured, split time at positions, play different positions or just sit on the bench. It's really more about getting them into the system and living a professional ball players life than anything else right now. Related to that, I imagine that some players, especially pitchers, might go into strength and conditioning programs for the first partial season since being drafted/signed and then begin in the minors the following year. That might not be as common now, but it's a possibility.
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Post by templeusox on Jun 10, 2016 20:23:17 GMT -5
I'm 3/4 serious when I say just make Dalbec a pitcher and save yourself the time and anguish.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 10, 2016 20:28:04 GMT -5
I'm 3/4 serious when I say just make Dalbec a pitcher and save yourself the time and anguish. The strikeouts would certainly serve him better. I'm guessing it's not off the table for discussion.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 10, 2016 20:44:27 GMT -5
For reference, Gronk is my favorite NFL player. I also consider Clemens and Nomar to be total dirtbags. If you consider Brady to be a dirtbag similar to a confirmed PED user that fooled around with 16 year olds in spring training like Clemens than you're an ignorant fool..
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Post by joshv02 on Jun 10, 2016 20:46:46 GMT -5
Law is incredibly nice both in person and in email. If you aren't a weirdo, just reach out.
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Post by larrycook on Jun 10, 2016 20:51:22 GMT -5
I'm 3/4 serious when I say just make Dalbec a pitcher and save yourself the time and anguish. Wow! What a game he threw today. 9k's and he commanded the strike zone.
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Post by Coreno on Jun 10, 2016 21:15:18 GMT -5
I agree. Great pitching performance for Dalbec.
Looks like we just drafted a two way player that REALLY likes strikeouts.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 10, 2016 22:47:34 GMT -5
I did read it; he's more reporting hearsay, and I know he's tempering that hearsay. But my commentary on him stands. I appreciate his baseball opinions, while finding him insufferable as a person, insofar as I've experienced his personality through his chats. Isn't that all he does is report consensus while never watching any prospect? I don't understand why he has credibility. I think he actually sees a fair number of them, or at least that's the impression he gives from his chats. I'm not sure how much of it is in person, though. He definitely goes against CW though, in certain cases, eg he really likes Devers. Personally, I find him knowledgable but without a modicum of humility, and a bit sadistic in his enjoyment of belittling people in his chats. He strikes me as incredibly smug, which would explain why he's not working for a team anymore...his brand of self-importance plays great in media, but I'd imagine very poorly in a collaborative environment. I think Sickels is more of a consensus reporter.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 10, 2016 22:50:46 GMT -5
Law is incredibly nice both in person and in email. If you aren't a weirdo, just reach out. That's entirely possible, he just doesn't come across that way in his chats. Interestingly enough, I've found Dan Shaughnessy to be the same in my few correspondences with him. So some of it may be driven by the "work", i.e., the value of being inflammatory as a means to increase readership/participation.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 10, 2016 22:53:35 GMT -5
For reference, Gronk is my favorite NFL player. I also consider Clemens and Nomar to be total dirtbags. If you consider Brady to be a dirtbag similar to a confirmed PED user that fooled around with 16 year olds in spring training like Clemens than you're an ignorant fool.. FWIW, Mindy McCready was 15 by her report at the time Roger was putting the moves on her.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 10, 2016 23:32:15 GMT -5
BA's "five comments" on rounds 3-5 all included Sox picks, with both Shawaryn and Anderson seeming to be seen as value/upside, and Dalbec as a very viable mound option given his swing-and-miss game (on both sides of the ball). I'm really happy with what they did on day 2; even Chatham seems like a potentially valuable pick if he really can stick at short, and they're right about his bat.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 10, 2016 23:50:29 GMT -5
Also, from BA's immediate pre-draft mock: www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mock-draft-5-2-moniak-remains-top/#l8Ptzyy3b7AQHpww.97I wonder if Groome groomed himself to fall to his team with "bonus demands." As much as has been made about his "immaturity," this is a kid who helped organize a matchup with another local prospect (drawing thousands of fans) for charity. Seems like a pretty upstanding thing to do for a guy with supposed "character issues."
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Post by larrycook on Jun 11, 2016 0:03:40 GMT -5
Also, from BA's immediate pre-draft mock: www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mock-draft-5-2-moniak-remains-top/#l8Ptzyy3b7AQHpww.97I wonder if Groome groomed himself to fall to his team with "bonus demands." As much as has been made about his "immaturity," this is a kid who helped organize a matchup with another local prospect (drawing thousands of fans) for charity. Seems like a pretty upstanding thing to do for a guy with supposed "character issues." Does the "immaturity" you speak of have anything to do with the bottle?
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Post by telson13 on Jun 11, 2016 2:13:50 GMT -5
Also, from BA's immediate pre-draft mock: www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mock-draft-5-2-moniak-remains-top/#l8Ptzyy3b7AQHpww.97I wonder if Groome groomed himself to fall to his team with "bonus demands." As much as has been made about his "immaturity," this is a kid who helped organize a matchup with another local prospect (drawing thousands of fans) for charity. Seems like a pretty upstanding thing to do for a guy with supposed "character issues." Does the "immaturity" you speak of have anything to do with the bottle? I don't have any more specifics than anyone else. People are making a lot of presumptions. It could just as easily be smoking dope, or getting tickets for drag racing, or whatever. For Jeff Allison, it was oxycodone and eventually heroin. Or it could simply be what it has been so far: all innuendo and rumor. The point is that the Sox, despite recent disasters in Kukuk and Denney, were comfortable "risking" that pick, despite some very talented players like Dunn, Rutherford, etc still available. So it seems overblown to me, particularly given that he passed the drug test.
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