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8/29-8/31 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by Coreno on Aug 31, 2016 16:48:49 GMT -5
Will this make him eligible for the post-season roster? He already is.
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Post by Coreno on Aug 31, 2016 16:58:58 GMT -5
JBJ being asked about his adjustments after a 3 hit day following a 3K day:
"Yeah, I made contact today. It's the biggest one. Its amazing what can happen when you actually touch the ball."
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 31, 2016 17:05:23 GMT -5
How bad has the team clutch hitting been, on the season? Before last night's game, it had cost them just 1.1 wins. How is that possible? They've actually been way better with runners on (.299 / .367 / .501) than with the bases empty (.272 / .335 / .433). With men on, they have struggled hugely in two different situations: 1) Bases loaded and 1 or 2 out. 2) Runner on 3rd, or on 2nd and 3rd, and 0 outs. Here are the bases loaded heroes and (mostly) culprits. R is by Linear Weights, and the next column is per 600 PA. I've counted SF as 0 runs, which is about right. Name PA BA OBP SLG R R/600 Hanley Ramirez 12 .364 .417 .545 0.73 36 Mookie Betts 9 .333 .333 .667 0.55 36 Chris Young 1 1.000 1.000 1.000 0.48 285 Brock Holt 7 .200 .143 .800 0.20 17 Sandy Leon 5 .400 .400 .400 0.05 6 Blake Swihart 3 .000 .333 .000 -0.28 -55 And. Benintendi 2 .000 .000 .000 -0.30 -90 Marco Hernandez 1 .000 .000 .000 -0.30 -180 Ryan LaMarre 1 .000 .000 .000 -0.30 -180 Travis Shaw 6 .000 .333 .000 -0.55 -55 Aaron Hill 3 .000 .000 .000 -0.90 -180 Bryce Brentz 3 .000 .000 .000 -0.90 -180 Josh Rutledge 2 .000 .000 .000 -0.90 -270 Dustin Pedroia 7 .286 .286 .286 -1.15 -99 David Ortiz 6 .000 .167 .000 -1.18 -118 Ryan Hanigan 6 .167 .167 .167 -1.33 -133 Jackie Bradley 16 .154 .250 .385 -1.38 -52 Xander Bogaerts 10 .111 .200 .111 -1.90 -114 Christ. Vazquez 9 .111 .111 .111 -2.23 -148 Bradley has come up a ton and hence hurt the team more than anyone but CV, but on a rate basis he's been the least bad of the bad guys, better than Hanigan, Ortiz, Bogaerts, Pedroia, and Shaw. Since I posted these numbers, they've had the following with bases loaded and 1 or 2 outs: Brock Holt 1B with 2 outs Sandy Leon 1B with 2 outs Hanley Ramirez GS with 2 outs. These, of course, are 3 of the 5 guys who had not been part of the problem. Yet to the team it may well feel as if they've broken the bad karma. We'll see what the other guys do when they next get their chances -- although it will take a long time (perhaps never) for the sample size to be mean anything. That's slightly over one hundred at bats. As you mention these numbers haven't even begun to stabilize, and they tell us very little about the level of hitting in that very limited circumstance. They could just as easily get a hit in every such situation from here on out, to the end of the season.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 31, 2016 18:01:57 GMT -5
JBJ being asked about his adjustments after a 3 hit day following a 3K day: "Yeah, I made contact today. It's the biggest one. Its amazing what can happen when you actually touch the ball." You gotta love his self confidence (and sarcasm) - hopefully he finds out a bit more about himself each time he has to dig himself out of one of his slumps. Still - remember all of the various opinions that with his defense, he is extremely valuable even if he hits .230 or so? Who could have predicted .273-22-75, WAR of 4.5, with 20% or so of the season remaining? Watching his dry spells will never be easy, but I love him on this team and hope he handles center field for many years.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 31, 2016 18:56:35 GMT -5
I did suggest something along those lines a few years back. I'll also be the first to admit that I had my doubts when his first two seasons were so difficult. He's coming into his prime and, at this point, he's right where his minor league numbers suggested he might be. With the defense, that makes him very valuable as you say. His turnaround is unusual and that's putting it mildly. Not too many players have been able to pull this off.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 31, 2016 19:53:07 GMT -5
I'm not a big Joe Kelly fan, but the last two games against the Rays (along with a number of other recent games I'd like to forget) make it inexplicable to me why he hasn't been called up. You have a stuff-rich guy who has pitched in the ML trying - and succeeding big-time - in a new role at the AAA level. You also have a disaster of a BP that is costing you games in a close division/WC race. Can someone please explain to D-Dom, Hazen, JF and whoever else is involved in these decisions that the round peg goes in the round hole?
I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly comes up when rosters expand and is the same disappointment as a RP that he has always been as a SP. But leaving him in Pawtucket and running the likes of Taz, Barnes and CB out there in high-leverage spots makes no sense. Maybe Kelly can suck a little bit less than those guys.
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Post by patford on Aug 31, 2016 21:31:42 GMT -5
JBJ being asked about his adjustments after a 3 hit day following a 3K day: "Yeah, I made contact today. It's the biggest one. Its amazing what can happen when you actually touch the ball." Greatest quote ever.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 31, 2016 22:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 31, 2016 22:27:39 GMT -5
Since I posted these numbers, they've had the following with bases loaded and 1 or 2 outs: Brock Holt 1B with 2 outs Sandy Leon 1B with 2 outs Hanley Ramirez GS with 2 outs. These, of course, are 3 of the 5 guys who had not been part of the problem. Yet to the team it may well feel as if they've broken the bad karma. We'll see what the other guys do when they next get their chances -- although it will take a long time (perhaps never) for the sample size to be mean anything. That's slightly over one hundred at bats. As you mention these numbers haven't even begun to stabilize, and they tell us very little about the level of hitting in that very limited circumstance. They could just as easily get a hit in every such situation from here on out, to the end of the season. That was mostly meant to be a comment on the media perception. I noticed O'Brien marveling at the two hits with the bases loaded and chuckled to myself, knowing that the two guys defying the season-long pattern (in his eyes) had not actually been part of it. I haven't played the Hanley HR yet, but I'm guessing they talked more about it ... ignoring the fact that Hanley had been great in that situation previously. I am curious as to whether the team has actually been pressing in that situation, and whether these last 3 PA will alleviate the pressure, if it actually exists. And, yes, the sample sizes are so small that you will not be able to answer those questions. It's still fun to watch and speculate on, though, and whatever happens, the media will construct a narrative about it.
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Post by sox207 on Sept 1, 2016 7:27:58 GMT -5
A+ bat toss
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Post by tjb21 on Sept 1, 2016 8:02:10 GMT -5
This team is ridiculous. In every way.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 1, 2016 9:23:32 GMT -5
A+ bat toss Awesome. From what I remember he carried the bat 3/4 down the line & tossed it just before he got close to Amaro. Odor had a great one the other night on a walkoff HR to dead center. Laid the bat down in the box & just started "walking" to 1st.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2016 9:25:17 GMT -5
That's slightly over one hundred at bats. As you mention these numbers haven't even begun to stabilize, and they tell us very little about the level of hitting in that very limited circumstance. They could just as easily get a hit in every such situation from here on out, to the end of the season. That was mostly meant to be a comment on the media perception. I noticed O'Brien marveling at the two hits with the bases loaded and chuckled to myself, knowing that the two guys defying the season-long pattern (in his eyes) had not actually been part of it. I haven't played the Hanley HR yet, but I'm guessing they talked more about it ... ignoring the fact that Hanley had been great in that situation previously. I am curious as to whether the team has actually been pressing in that situation, and whether these last 3 PA will alleviate the pressure, if it actually exists. And, yes, the sample sizes are so small that you will not be able to answer those questions. It's still fun to watch and speculate on, though, and whatever happens, the media will construct a narrative about it. I've noticed that O'Brien has an annoying characteristic of jumping to irrational conclusions...a batter will be mired in a horrific slump, gets a hit and the next comment is "the slump is ended". Though O'Brien is, to me, a bit more candid about how the Sox are doing at any particular moment, I miss Orsillo's overall excellence and competence.
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Post by nomar on Sept 1, 2016 9:29:34 GMT -5
O'Brien exposes his lack of knowledge on a way more regular basis, that's for sure. I really liked DOB on the radio, but he makes me cringe so often during Sox games this year it's crazy. If Eck really won't do away games with consistency, I don't think it'll be long after Remy retired that the NESN needs a complete makeover.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 1, 2016 9:32:08 GMT -5
O'Brien is better on ESPN than he is on NESN, so I feel like a lot of the problem is an intentional dumbing down of the broadcast on the production end.
EDIT: Meaning he's being told to call the game like it's for someone who treats actual analysis like my 2-year old treats spinach.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 1, 2016 9:37:35 GMT -5
I really love it when they point out pitchers' struggles after giving up 3 infield hits and don't mention a word after a 1-2-3 inning with 3 extremely hard hit balls. I mean when a pitcher gives up a hit that goes less than 100 feet, he did well every time.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 1, 2016 9:50:47 GMT -5
O'Brien is so much better than Orsillo was. They just need to remove Remy now.
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Post by Canseco on Sept 1, 2016 10:12:56 GMT -5
I have to disagree. It isn't the announcer's job to educate the audience about baseball. Personality is key, and O'Brien has very little of it. Orsillo had a warm, genuine, light tone mixed with authentic enthusiasm for the team. O'Brien is so mechanical. My dream booth would definitely be Orsillo and Eck.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 1, 2016 10:25:55 GMT -5
I also wish they would do a little homework. Or someone on NESN would do it and hand them sheets of interesting facts about opposing players. They are barely paying attention when some big prospect is facing us early in his career.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 1, 2016 10:28:54 GMT -5
I have to disagree. It isn't the announcer's job to educate the audience about baseball. Personality is key, and O'Brien has very little of it. Orsillo had a warm, genuine, light tone mixed with authentic enthusiasm for the team. O'Brien is so mechanical. My dream booth would definitely be Orsillo and Eck. Do you remember how Orsillo was when he started? He was stiff at first, and it took a couple years to build that rapport both with Remy and with the audience. O'Brien always came off on the radio with Castiglione as very warm, so I think that's going to come through. It's possible that he's just better at the radio, though. After Vin Scully retires, the gap between the Mets announce team and everyone else is going to be massive. Cohen, Hernandez, and Darling are the perfect mix of engaging and insightful. They are lovely and I'm kind of jealous.
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Post by Canseco on Sept 1, 2016 11:09:01 GMT -5
Totally agree on the Mets booth. Their games are really fun because of those three.
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Post by nomar on Sept 1, 2016 11:15:13 GMT -5
The Mets booth is amazing. I've really enjoyed watching the Mets for the past few years. A lot of people didn't want Darling when reports said he was pining for a job with the Sox. That's crazy to me. Although it helps being paired with Keith because that guy is hysterical.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 1, 2016 11:50:03 GMT -5
The Mets booth is amazing. I've really enjoyed watching the Mets for the past few years. A lot of people didn't want Darling when reports said he was pining for a job with the Sox. That's crazy to me. Although it helps being paired with Keith because that guy is hysterical.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Sept 1, 2016 13:26:23 GMT -5
Awesome. From what I remember he carried the bat 3/4 down the line & tossed it just before he got close to Amaro. Odor had a great one the other night on a walkoff HR to dead center. Laid the bat down in the box & just started "walking" to 1st. The bat flip in question Re: the whole announcer thing-- I wholeheartedly agree on the Mets' booth. They are fantastic. It's the perfect blend of interesting information, great anecdotes and fun. My main O'Brien peeves include: "swifty" for fastball "off the green" for a wall ball The negativity (i.e. repeating that a player is slumping about 15 times per game) Worshipping W-L record and other pointless stats (possibly blame this on NESN but it didn't seem like Orsillo did it to this extreme) and finally just how darn repetitive he is. I liked him on the radio, but I think that Castiglione covered up some of these more irritating aspects DOB's commentary. He also talks way too much. Don was great at giving his play-by-play but not constantly re-hashing meaningless statistics and he knew when to let Jerry basically take over. I know people complained that they were too silly sometimes, but it was mostly in blowout games, and either way isn't baseball supposed to be entertainment? end rant
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 1, 2016 13:53:55 GMT -5
It's pretty clear to me that NESN is to blame more than anyone else. I really liked O'Brien on the radio. I hate him on tv. I know it's a little different calling the PBP on tv, but not that different. Or I guess it could also be Castiglione that was raising him up.
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