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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2017 17:26:02 GMT -5
It's not gutting. It's getting something for them before they're all taken from us in the Rule 5. If you lose or trade all those guys you have gutted the system of a good amount of pitching depth. That's why it's going to be hard to decide which ones to trade, which ones to protect and which ones to try and get through the rule 5 draft or guys likely to be returned to you. They can't keep all of them and they're not going to trade all of them either, so I'm not sure what your point is. I think it's pretty obvious that they'll keep the ones they like the best.
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Post by borisman on May 26, 2017 5:50:57 GMT -5
Yeah, you're looking at maybe a couple of trades. Nothing really shocking or disappointing. DD is not trading say Beeks, for a some slot money. Hopefully it's Henry Owens I know when I've "seen" enough. He could use a change of scenery. He's still here because just in case of multiple injuries to the starting staff.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 27, 2017 14:38:54 GMT -5
White Sox continue to stockpile Cuban talent. With the signing of outfielder Luis Robert, the #1 international prospect, he joins Abreu and Moncada as top prospects to abandon the beleaguered island.
Hope DD is saving up for Otani.
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Post by michael on May 27, 2017 17:10:19 GMT -5
White Sox continue to stockpile Cuban talent. With the signing of outfielder Luis Robert, the #1 international prospect, he joins Abreu and Moncada as top prospects to abandon the beleaguered island. Hope DD is saving up for Otani. Do you mean that he has the yen for Otani?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 6, 2017 15:06:25 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 8, 2017 13:06:47 GMT -5
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 8, 2017 19:48:39 GMT -5
Years ago when it was thought he might come over all these japan baseball websites made it seem like it was Texas or Boston.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 21, 2017 9:24:49 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 21, 2017 9:52:17 GMT -5
I'm excited for Flores, but it's REALLY hard to separate the good scouting from the hyperbole with the July 2 dudes. We've seen too many "THE BEST X SINCE Y" thrown on a player over the years to have it be meaningful. And if Flores was really the best July 2 player of all time then we'd be hearing more about him. The buzz there isn't anywhere close to, say, Jairo Beras or Michael Ynoa or Nomar Mazara.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 21, 2017 10:36:28 GMT -5
I wonder if we already have trades setup for pool money?
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Post by ramireja on Jun 21, 2017 11:22:31 GMT -5
Would I be overstepping my bounds if I asked what the scouting community thought of his bat? Plus power potential? Is the hit tool iffy?
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 12:28:05 GMT -5
So if he is the "best player" for July 2. then why would he sign with the sox who do not have as much money as some of the other teams.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 21, 2017 12:32:28 GMT -5
So if he is the "best player" for July 2. then why would he sign with the sox who do not have as much money as some of the other teams. Under the new rules, the difference between the teams with the most money (5.75 mill) and the least (4.75 mill) is not as dramatic as before. Further, we can trade for more pool space after July 2, which many are predicting us to do based on our reported agreements. Technically we can trade up to 8.3 mill if we should need that much to sign our class.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 21, 2017 12:42:46 GMT -5
Yeah, you're looking at maybe a couple of trades. Nothing really shocking or disappointing. DD is not trading say Beeks, for a some slot money. Hopefully it's Henry Owens I know when I've "seen" enough. He could use a change of scenery. He's still here because just in case of multiple injuries to the starting staff. Jumping back to this old comment because trading for slot money has been mentioned. While I'd hate to lose anyone of much value, why would anyone give us slot space for a person who DOESN'T have any value? Making a trade is not like bringing clothes you don't like to the thrift shop. I think we have to be prepared to lose someone.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 21, 2017 13:23:51 GMT -5
I would think the mid-range prospects we have would be perfect assets to collect a few 100K here or there. We're talking about trading for slot money that is equivalent to what, a 5-10 draft pick? We got plenty of those guys. That's all we got after Groome and Devers.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 21, 2017 13:25:45 GMT -5
Yeah, you're looking at maybe a couple of trades. Nothing really shocking or disappointing. DD is not trading say Beeks, for a some slot money. Hopefully it's Henry Owens I know when I've "seen" enough. He could use a change of scenery. He's still here because just in case of multiple injuries to the starting staff. Jumping back to this old comment because trading for slot money has been mentioned. While I'd hate to lose anyone of much value, why would anyone give us slot space for a person who DOESN'T have any value? Making a trade is not like bringing clothes you don't like to the thrift shop. I think we have to be prepared to lose someone. Thats fair, and I'm a little worried about this to be honest. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the player(s) traded come from our somewhat redundant stockpile of AAA and AA relief arms that hopefully have same value. Please don't trade Callahan or Buttrey who I think have ceilings of set-up guys. Instead, I'm hoping a team might trade cap space for the likes of a Noe Ramirez, Austin Maddox, Brandon Workman(?), Kyle Martin, or at worst, a Chandler Shepherd. That would simultaneously help thin out our logjam in advance the Rule 5 draft.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 15:12:04 GMT -5
Jumping back to this old comment because trading for slot money has been mentioned. While I'd hate to lose anyone of much value, why would anyone give us slot space for a person who DOESN'T have any value? Making a trade is not like bringing clothes you don't like to the thrift shop. I think we have to be prepared to lose someone. Thats fair, and I'm a little worried about this to be honest. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the player(s) traded come from our somewhat redundant stockpile of AAA and AA relief arms that hopefully have same value. Please don't trade Callahan or Buttrey who I think have ceilings of set-up guys. Instead, I'm hoping a team might trade cap space for the likes of a Noe Ramirez, Austin Maddox, Brandon Workman(?), Kyle Martin, or at worst, a Chandler Shepherd. That would simultaneously help thin out our logjam in advance the Rule 5 draft. Very interesting. Trading some of the stockpile of relief arms for money to sign a couple of international guys would be very good.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 26, 2017 10:55:54 GMT -5
Would I be overstepping my bounds if I asked what the scouting community thought of his bat? Plus power potential? Is the hit tool iffy? I am no scout. All the videos I've seen of him are fairly good for his hit tool. He has solid bat speed from the left-side and plus bat speed from the right. He also appears to have good contact skills. I would like to see him barrel up the ball more(especially from the right-side). Bottom line is that he is 16 years old and has the physical talent. I can't wait for you guys to have a scouting report on him.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 26, 2017 13:37:01 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Jun 26, 2017 13:55:27 GMT -5
Hopefully Romero has a swath of guys who are flying under the radar.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 26, 2017 13:56:22 GMT -5
If that number is true, it leaves $1.45 million for Danny Diaz, Antoni Flores, and whoever else. They could also trade for additional space, which Badler hinted at in the past.
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Post by azblue on Jun 26, 2017 14:36:17 GMT -5
“He’s probably the best July 2 player I’ve ever seen,” said a sixth scout.
If Daniel Flores is close to being what this scout says, I am excited that the Sox would pull out all stops financially. Note that the scout did not limit this to the 2017 July 2 signing period, he said EVER. That would mean a generational talent or close, in that scout's opinion.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2017 15:21:53 GMT -5
If Flores is getting $3.3, you'd think they will need to trade for more space, especially if they're planning on going back to 2 DSL teams immediately next year.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 26, 2017 15:30:21 GMT -5
If Flores is getting $3.3, you'd think they will need to trade for more space, especially if they're planning on going back to 2 DSL teams immediately next year. Especially now that the only signings exempt from bonus pools are those signings of $10,000 or less (compared to $300,000 in the old system).
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 26, 2017 16:26:03 GMT -5
I'm skeptical that all this bonus money is easily traded for, although I think the Padres and Brewers owe us.
I mean do poor teams really think the best use of their budget is to not spend a whole $5 million or whatever on international prospects?
I also don't get how there is not much bidding up of players' bonuses. How did Flores already get locked in?
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