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Post by jimed14 on Mar 28, 2017 19:41:30 GMT -5
Good to see Wright hitting 86 on his fastball with the shoulder concerns. That's over his average of 83.2 last season. He looks just like he did in the first half last season.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 28, 2017 19:48:10 GMT -5
LOL, yeah I meant like a depth piece that can throw multiple innings preferably. Nothing worth a lot substantially in a trade. They have plenty of them in AAA that have impressed Farrell. He said so the other day. Who? Kyle Martin? Noe Ramirez? Brian Johnson? I don't see it.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 28, 2017 19:52:07 GMT -5
Anything but trading for another reliever. LOL, yeah I meant like a depth piece that can throw multiple innings preferably. Nothing worth a lot substantially in a trade. Possibly due to the rigorous shoulder strengthening program?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 28, 2017 20:04:01 GMT -5
Now Rutledge is hurt. No problem, just call up Dubon Looks like Selsky found a way onto the roster if Rutledge goes down. Edit- This could be a blessing in disguise because now you don't have to rush Hanley to play first base right away.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 28, 2017 20:07:15 GMT -5
Mike Pelfrey is available, he isn't great but he would give the Sox innings and wouldn't cost the Sox anything really.
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Mar 28, 2017 20:42:22 GMT -5
Mike Pelfrey is available, he isn't great but he would give the Sox innings and wouldn't cost the Sox anything really. What does Pelfrey cost?
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Post by telson13 on Mar 29, 2017 0:02:45 GMT -5
Mike Pelfrey is available, he isn't great but he would give the Sox innings and wouldn't cost the Sox anything really. What does Pelfrey cost? Wins. Mike Pelfrey will cost the Sox wins. Pelfrey gives up a TON of hits and had, I think, the worst starter K rate in baseball last year. No thanks. The Sox had a bunch of arms and some possible shuffling to do before Thornburg went down. They'll slide Kelly or Barnes into that role, keep Hembree and maybe both Scott and Abad. Just like having six viable starters, they have plenty of depth to weather this. If they want to sign a few depth guys, sign some relievers with big arms who've had command or other issues. They've got Olmos as well right now, who Farrell seems to like. They've got several AAA/AA relief arms. Signing a guy like Pelfrey (with Kendrick around, no less) is beyond useless.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 29, 2017 0:18:25 GMT -5
It's kind of crazy but I'm not sure what to root for as far as catching goes.
Obviously Sandy Leon will have a dropoff, but if he hits enough and so does Vazquez, then I think Swihart will be a goner. Or if Vazquez hits enough, that's a possibility, too.
Dombrowski likes to trade from surplus (or what he perceives as surplus), so I think if the injury bug bites hard enough or Sandoval struggles, it's just a matter of time before Dombrowski makes a deal. He's dumped most of his most valuable trade chips. I think he'll resort to making Swihart the center of his next deal.
I hope I'm wrong. I'm a big believer in Swihart and think once he gets more experience catching in the minors, that he'd be the Red Sox best option behind the plate in the near future. I think he'll be at least adequate behind the plate and I think his bat will be well above average for a catcher. I just hope that happens with the Red Sox, and not some other team.
I know it's a bit early to be overly concerned about this, but given the way Dombrowski makes deals and what his priorities are...
I know Vazquez's defense is excellent, but I think his ceiling offensively is limited while Swihart has a much higher ceiling offensively and I think is capable of improving his defensive game, not in the same zip code as Vazquez, but well enough to be an asset.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 29, 2017 1:31:57 GMT -5
They have plenty of them in AAA that have impressed Farrell. He said so the other day. Who? Kyle Martin? Noe Ramirez? Brian Johnson? I don't see it. Ben Taylor, Jamie Callahan, Austin Maddox, Chandler Shepherd, and Edgar Olmos are all still in big league camp, unlike any of the guys you named. I wonder if Marco makes the club if the Rutledge injury is something real.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 29, 2017 3:18:37 GMT -5
Who? Kyle Martin? Noe Ramirez? Brian Johnson? I don't see it. Ben Taylor, Jamie Callahan, Austin Maddox, Chandler Shepherd, and Edgar Olmos are all still in big league camp, unlike any of the guys you named. I wonder if Marco makes the club if the Rutledge injury is something real. Have most of these pitchers pitched even in AAA yet? Edit- Maddox has 3 appearances in AAA. Shepherd has 18 appearances in AAA. Callahan has no experience above AA. Ben Taylor has no experience above AA. The only guy that could be a option is Olmos, who is a career minor leaguer to this point. I give Olmos credit, he does look a little interesting with his 10 K per nine innings in the Orioles system last year. I see Selsky making the team over Marco because of the whole first base issue with Hanley. Maybe I'm initially wrong and Olmos is the guy, but I still think it's a 50/50 shot that the Sox make a move before opening day.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 29, 2017 5:52:11 GMT -5
What about Workman? His numbers look good, has his fastball velocity returned yet?
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 29, 2017 6:42:27 GMT -5
Ben Taylor, Jamie Callahan, Austin Maddox, Chandler Shepherd, and Edgar Olmos are all still in big league camp, unlike any of the guys you named. I wonder if Marco makes the club if the Rutledge injury is something real. Have most of these pitchers pitched even in AAA yet? Edit- Maddox has 3 appearances in AAA. Shepherd has 18 appearances in AAA. Callahan has no experience above AA. Ben Taylor has no experience above AA. The only guy that could be a option is Olmos, who is a career minor leaguer to this point. I give Olmos credit, he does look a little interesting with his 10 K per nine innings in the Orioles system last year. I see Selsky making the team over Marco because of the whole first base issue with Hanley. Maybe I'm initially wrong and Olmos is the guy, but I still think it's a 50/50 shot that the Sox make a move before opening day. I cannot find the quote, but it was in a 108 Stitches blog from the last few days. Farrell likes all of those guys a lot and said he has a ton of depth options that will be used this year. I really doubt they make a move. It's almost impossible to make trades for anyone better than these depth options this time of year anyway. edit: found it www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2017/03/27/tyler-thornburg-scratched-from-monday-game/g3zHhbhWQZwju0RvpEZOVL/story.html
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 29, 2017 6:56:51 GMT -5
I guess good luck Edgar Olmos? I think he would have the best chance of breaking camp. I'll trust the Sox on this one, they would the inside track on their guys. Just wouldn't want to see guys rushed from AA to the majors, like Callahan and Ben Taylor. Shepherd would probably be Olmos' only competition for the last spot I'd imagine.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 29, 2017 7:32:37 GMT -5
I feel as though you left out the key part of the article you posted on purpose-
Assuming that Thornburg opens the year on the disabled list, the Sox will need to replace him on the roster with a less-established bullpen alternative. Dombrowski said he will probably not look outside the organization. “But,” Dombrowski added, “I can’t rule anything out because I don’t really know anything other than what we found out today.”
There's still a good chance the Sox could make a move at some point.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 29, 2017 7:46:56 GMT -5
I feel as though you left out the key part of the article you posted on purpose- Assuming that Thornburg opens the year on the disabled list, the Sox will need to replace him on the roster with a less-established bullpen alternative. Dombrowski said he will probably not look outside the organization. “But,” Dombrowski added, “I can’t rule anything out because I don’t really know anything other than what we found out today.” There's still a good chance the Sox could make a move at some point. What teams have too many decent major league relievers right now that they're looking to trade? It's such a horrible idea because there are none and you'd have to massively overpay to convince some team to make their team worse.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 29, 2017 7:53:33 GMT -5
What about Workman? His numbers look good, has his fastball velocity returned yet? Workman was throwing about 90 late last year if memory serves and was still in that area code this spring.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 29, 2017 7:58:11 GMT -5
The Red Sox can easily afford to carry a guy who had a wRC+ of 118 and 121 the last two seasons. JBJ was an all-star and had 4.8 fWAR last year. How could they possibly improve on that at this point? Why are you so negative that you take JBJ's spring training stats as evidence that he's going to be a really bad hitter this season but not Sandoval's? Must be fun to always complain about everything.
I don't think I'm negative or complaining.
I pointed out facts; JBJ not looking to good at the plate.
Asked a question; Can this team afford to carry a line up with 2 (JBJ & Vazquez) and possibly a total of 4 (Panda & Moreland) hitting .250 or less?
And stated a position; I know Panda & Moreland have looked good but I am not a believer.
4 days later and JBJ is now OPS'ing .848 in Spring Training.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 29, 2017 10:06:15 GMT -5
I don't think I'm negative or complaining.
I pointed out facts; JBJ not looking to good at the plate.
Asked a question; Can this team afford to carry a line up with 2 (JBJ & Vazquez) and possibly a total of 4 (Panda & Moreland) hitting .250 or less?
And stated a position; I know Panda & Moreland have looked good but I am not a believer.
4 days later and JBJ is now OPS'ing .848 in Spring Training. Ah, but his average is only .264...Coming to you from the great Northwest
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Post by dmaineah on Mar 29, 2017 10:07:38 GMT -5
I don't think I'm negative or complaining.
I pointed out facts; JBJ not looking to good at the plate.
Asked a question; Can this team afford to carry a line up with 2 (JBJ & Vazquez) and possibly a total of 4 (Panda & Moreland) hitting .250 or less?
And stated a position; I know Panda & Moreland have looked good but I am not a believer.
4 days later and JBJ is now OPS'ing .848 in Spring Training. I'm not a believer.
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Post by dmaineah on Mar 29, 2017 10:09:22 GMT -5
Rutledge should be returned to Colorado
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 29, 2017 10:11:19 GMT -5
4 days later and JBJ is now OPS'ing .848 in Spring Training. I'm not a believer. That's your problem.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 29, 2017 10:15:38 GMT -5
4 days later and JBJ is now OPS'ing .848 in Spring Training. I'm not a believer. He has a .262/.345/.489 line in 900 plate appearances over the last two major league seasons. What is it, exactly, that you aren't believing in?
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Post by dmaineah on Mar 29, 2017 10:25:42 GMT -5
He has a .262/.345/.489 line in 900 plate appearances over the last two major league seasons. What is it, exactly, that you aren't believing in? That it will continue. I think the line is a by product of a few good weeks, a hot streak.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 29, 2017 10:32:49 GMT -5
Why do you think that?
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 29, 2017 10:37:10 GMT -5
He has a .262/.345/.489 line in 900 plate appearances over the last two major league seasons. What is it, exactly, that you aren't believing in? That it will continue. I think the line is a by product of a few good weeks, a hot streak. Did he go 40 for 40 with 40 home runs during those few weeks? You must be basing all of your opinion of him on his struggles in 2013 and 2014 and that's just being negative without cause. He was the 3rd best CF in the majors last season by fWAR and you are actually clinging to this notion that the Red Sox can't afford to have him in the lineup? Do you understand how absurd that is?
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