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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 28, 2017 17:05:59 GMT -5
That second run hurts. You got to make that play Moreland. Wth No way Moreland should have made that play. He's not that long/tall. The throw pulled him - if he were to catch it, he'd have gone off the bag. The ball went under his glove.
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Post by soxjim on May 28, 2017 17:35:45 GMT -5
No way Moreland should have made that play. He's not that long/tall. The throw pulled him - if he were to catch it, he'd have gone off the bag. The ball went under his glove. His foot was off the bag.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 28, 2017 18:24:02 GMT -5
The ball went under his glove. His foot was off the bag. His feet were still on the bag when he made the attempt and the ball went under. He needs to react and make the play to help his short stop. Xander literally went 15 feet up the middle and dived to make a play and forced a throw off to try to prevent a run. Go look the play over. It was a very make able play that went under Morelands glove.
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Post by soxjim on May 28, 2017 18:45:44 GMT -5
His foot was off the bag. His feet were still on the bag when he made the attempt and the ball went under. He needs to react and make the play to help his short stop. Xander literally went 15 feet up the middle and dived to make a play and forced a throw off to try to prevent a run. Go look the play over. It was a very make able play that went under Morelands glove. No his foot was off the bag when he made the stretch and the went under. I already saw the play. If you are able watch it again. It was not a makeable play. He stretched off the bag.
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Post by mattpicard on May 28, 2017 18:59:03 GMT -5
Going by the replay I saw right after it happened, it seemed like there was no chance Moreland could have caught that and held the bag. Most he could have done was possibly stop the ball from getting by him. Blame should all fall on X, who, while he had a nice diving stop, got back up into a fine throwing position and just botched it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 28, 2017 19:12:49 GMT -5
The replay by mlb.com isn't great, so it's a dead end subject. Im more upset with Moreland's defense but Xander could be regressing as well.
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Post by jimed14 on May 28, 2017 19:37:24 GMT -5
The replay by mlb.com isn't great, so it's a dead end subject. Im more upset with Moreland's defense but Xander could be regressing as well. If you really think that's a routine play that should never be missed, I'm not sure what to tell you other than you have extremely unrealistic expectations. Sometimes major league players make errors. It would have been a great play if he made it. He has been above average at SS this year as usual, but he's not Ozzie Smith. One error doesn't mean he's regressing. If plays like that make you upset, I have to imagine you're upset all year long.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 28, 2017 20:34:02 GMT -5
The replay by mlb.com isn't great, so it's a dead end subject. Im more upset with Moreland's defense but Xander could be regressing as well. If you really think that's a routine play that should never be missed, I'm not sure what to tell you other than you have extremely unrealistic expectations. Sometimes major league players make errors. It would have been a great play if he made it. He has been above average at SS this year as usual, but he's not Ozzie Smith. One error doesn't mean he's regressing. If plays like that make you upset, I have to imagine you're upset all year long. That play didn't make me upset at all. I loved the fact Xander made a play. I'm more upset with Moreland. The small sample stats don't favor Xander defensively but it should get better as the year goes along.
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Post by larrycook on May 29, 2017 1:41:49 GMT -5
It is a bit perplexing how our offense can disappear in the bank of an eye and make mediocre pitching look fantastic.
The lack of power in this lineup is downright scary because at the end of the day, we can not put together three hits per run scored against quality pitching and expect to win many games.
Seems like their there is a total lack of leadership for the offense.
Hopefully we address it in free agency this offseason and do not mortgage any of the remaining talent we have in the minors.
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Post by marrcus on May 29, 2017 2:02:10 GMT -5
free agency this offseason ----------------------------- I'm not willing to wait to offseeason. Not when you have Sale, Porcello (if he regains '16 form) and ERod starting in a short series if you can make the playoffs. That rotation is good but you have to score.
While I haven't written off Sandoval completely I'm getting closer and with Holt looking iffy I'd try to get a 3b who could see some RH dh action should Hanley either go down or slump. I'll have to start looking at who's available? Something I'd hoped not to have to be doing.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 29, 2017 5:32:44 GMT -5
The replay by mlb.com isn't great, so it's a dead end subject. Im more upset with Moreland's defense but Xander could be regressing as well. Xander showed great range on the play. A throw was a little off after scrambling to his feet. Geez
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 6:24:46 GMT -5
The replay by mlb.com isn't great, so it's a dead end subject. Im more upset with Moreland's defense but Xander could be regressing as well. Xander showed great range on the play. A throw was a little off after scrambling to his feet. Geez I was talking about Xander's defense overall, while commenting on that play. Shouldn't of lumped it all together. Last time I checked, Xander had a -7 DRS on the field. Again, I was more mad at Moreland at that play. Edit- his defense isn't declining since his defense was at -10 DRS in 1300 innings last season, so he has showed mild improvements. All in all though, Xander's strength on the field doesn't come on defense.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 29, 2017 7:51:35 GMT -5
It is a bit perplexing how our offense can disappear in the bank of an eye and make mediocre pitching look fantastic. The lack of power in this lineup is downright scary because at the end of the day, we can not put together three hits per run scored against quality pitching and expect to win many games. Seems like their there is a total lack of leadership for the offense. Hopefully we address it in free agency this offseason and do not mortgage any of the remaining talent we have in the minors. agreed - too many holes, and a tendency to be really streaky (feast or famine). Adjustment to loss of Ortiz is taking some time. Maybe consistently warmer weather will help also. Hanley is not reliable or consistent as one providing some leadership in the lineup, it seems. Mini slumps by Mookie and Benny are hurting, as well. It's a shame to waste the number of well pitched games we have in the first quarter of the season.
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Post by jimed14 on May 29, 2017 11:05:04 GMT -5
Yeah, it's like Ortiz hit HR every game or something... Or maybe it was 1 out of 4 games on average.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 29, 2017 11:47:55 GMT -5
It is a bit perplexing how our offense can disappear in the bank of an eye and make mediocre pitching look fantastic. The lack of power in this lineup is downright scary because at the end of the day, we can not put together three hits per run scored against quality pitching and expect to win many games. Seems like their there is a total lack of leadership for the offense. Hopefully we address it in free agency this offseason and do not mortgage any of the remaining talent we have in the minors. agreed - too many holes, and a tendency to be really streaky (feast or famine). Adjustment to loss of Ortiz is taking some time. Maybe consistently warmer weather will help also. Hanley is not reliable or consistent as one providing some leadership in the lineup, it seems. Mini slumps by Mookie and Benny are hurting, as well. It's a shame to waste the number of well pitched games we have in the first quarter of the season. The debate about this play defines the fallacy of UZR to me. Who says a play should be made? I take published zone ratings with a grain of salt. I'd love to see private data teams use.
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Post by Guidas on May 29, 2017 11:54:03 GMT -5
It is a bit perplexing how our offense can disappear in the bank of an eye and make mediocre pitching look fantastic. The lack of power in this lineup is downright scary because at the end of the day, we can not put together three hits per run scored against quality pitching and expect to win many games. Seems like their there is a total lack of leadership for the offense. Hopefully we address it in free agency this offseason and do not mortgage any of the remaining talent we have in the minors. That cupboard looks pretty bare. 2018 O.S. is loaded but, really a dearth of good hitters this coming off-season, and none at a position of need. 2018 includes: Harper Machado Donaldson (albeit decline years) Blackmon (ditto) Yasmani Grandal Joe Mauer (36 but still an OBP machine, declining nicely) Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/3941/red-sox-mariners-series-thread?page=7&scrollTo=256544#ixzz4iUHzmY3J
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Post by Guidas on May 29, 2017 12:13:32 GMT -5
free agency this offseason ----------------------------- I'm not willing to wait to offseeason. Not when you have Sale, Porcello (if he regains '16 form) and ERod starting in a short series if you can make the playoffs. That rotation is good but you have to score. While I haven't written off Sandoval completely I'm getting closer and with Holt looking iffy I'd try to get a 3b who could see some RH dh action should Hanley either go down or slump. I'll have to start looking at who's available? Something I'd hoped not to have to be doing. I feel the same way, but I think anyone who fits the bill will be too expensive, prospect-wise. If you're a GM with a big, reliable bat to deal you want Devers (to start with). That won't happen. Other than Groome, who is on the DL, I don't see much value in our system for anyone who wouldn't be a pure half-year rental. And there's not much to go after amongst the potential rentals. There are some salaries that some teams may want to unload,Nelson Cruz, say, although I don't know where we'd put him unless Dombrowski moved Bradley - please no - and then put Benintendi in CF, but even then do you want Nelson Cruz as your LF going into the second half? This could get ugly if Dombrowski goes into the July trade market for something significant.
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