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6/22-6/24 Red Sox vs. Mariners Series Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 24, 2018 16:59:30 GMT -5
What is he trying to imply there? That the Sox are good or if they're cheating? I don't get it. Stealing signs. He's a former Cardinal so this adds a little more pleasure in beating him and him being a bitter loser. Ahh yes from last season and all that crap. Gonzales is a junk baller. I don't know why he's surprised to see a lineup hit him harder the second tine through the order. What a moron.
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Post by dd on Jun 24, 2018 17:05:55 GMT -5
Finally, 2 of JBJ's line drives fell in. Your belief In JBJ finally is rewarded. is there a way to like this post twice?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 24, 2018 17:18:29 GMT -5
Tied with the MFY and Houston, essentially. I can't remember a season with so much separation between the cream (three teams) and the rest. Key will be for the Red Sox to beat up on the other teams as much as possible as we go forward.
Sure, our team has flaws - all teams so - but I like this team - our 2018 team so much more than mach 2016 and 2017.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 24, 2018 18:00:01 GMT -5
It was said upthread. I agree. Watching Nunez play D is a trip. If Lin ain't going in for late inning defense, game mustnt matter much
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Post by telson13 on Jun 24, 2018 18:16:52 GMT -5
Tied with the MFY and Houston, essentially. I can't remember a season with so much separation between the cream (three teams) and the rest. Key will be for the Red Sox to beat up on the other teams as much as possible as we go forward. Sure, our team has flaws - all teams so - but I like this team - our 2018 team so much more than mach 2016 and 2017. Definitely true; those top 3 are just outstanding...I honestly wouldn’t be shocked at all to see three 105-win teams. Fwiw, I think the Mariners, with Paxton, are a very dangerous WC but unlikely to win a series. My gut feeling is also that Cleveland, despite their offensive struggles, could be an extremely dangerous playoff team with Kluber, Bauer (who just keeps getting better), and Carrasco. I’m ecstatic with Sale’s game today. His velo was just absolutely incredible (100.5 on the last pitch!!), and he was so efficient. I’m just very, very hopeful that his pitch count/innings management this year will have a payoff down the stretch. If he can reverse his usual late-season swoon and keep improving as he has (his velo has been steadily rising all year), he’s the true “ace” that would be a playoff difference-maker. This Sox team is almost assuredly the best I’ve seen in my lifetime, and it’s really not all that close.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2018 18:27:57 GMT -5
What is he trying to imply there? That the Sox are good or if they're cheating? I don't get it. Stealing signs. He's a former Cardinal so this adds a little more pleasure in beating him and him being a bitter loser. Boo f'ing hoo. How many times have the Red Sox been screwed by teams doing the same thing? It's not even cheating.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2018 18:29:13 GMT -5
The Yankees did tie it up, but now it's going into extras and Sanchez appeared to hurt his groin running out a GIDP and had to leave the game. In addition to the game going into extras, their starter German went only 3 innings so they are on their 5th reliever and nearing the end of a 17 consecutive game stretch. Too bad they have an off day before facing us. And Boone said Sanchez is likely headed to the DL. www.mlb.com/news/gary-sanchez-leaves-game-with-injury/c-282745450
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Post by patford on Jun 24, 2018 20:48:03 GMT -5
Stealing signs. He's a former Cardinal so this adds a little more pleasure in beating him and him being a bitter loser. Boo f'ing hoo. How many times have the Red Sox been screwed by teams doing the same thing? It's not even cheating. If the Sox hit better when they are stealing signs I wonder why they failed to do so in the game on Saturday ?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 24, 2018 22:08:53 GMT -5
Boo f'ing hoo. How many times have the Red Sox been screwed by teams doing the same thing? It's not even cheating. If the Sox hit better when they are stealing signs I wonder why they failed to do so in the game on Saturday ? I hope the Sox steal signs the rest of the season, if that's the case.
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Post by larrycook on Jun 24, 2018 23:32:57 GMT -5
I am very excited at how sale dominated today. Fastball and slider were off the charts good.
If he can get in a groove for the rest of the year, that could really make our starting pitching dominant.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 25, 2018 0:21:58 GMT -5
...Stealing signs. He's a former Cardinal so this adds a little more pleasure in beating him and him being a bitter loser. Ironic. Stealing signs is shoplifting, The Cards broke into Houston's Fort Knox and stole the gold. The guy was throwing grapefruit up there for whatever reason. Go look at the pitch Moreland hit.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 25, 2018 5:47:33 GMT -5
Dealing with a day off.....movie night.
Only a few weeks left in the first half of the season, which flew by.
19 more games, one more day off (in addition to tonight)...
Angels at home, at MFY, at Washington, at KC, home for Texas and Toronto. Good set of games - we can dent a main competitor, and add some wins against some lesser teams....
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 25, 2018 12:14:40 GMT -5
...Stealing signs. He's a former Cardinal so this adds a little more pleasure in beating him and him being a bitter loser. Ironic. Stealing signs is shoplifting, The Cards broke into Houston's Fort Knox and stole the gold. The guy was throwing grapefruit up there for whatever reason. Go look at the pitch Moreland hit. Here's the other thing, unless it's one of these dudes-with-binocolars in the stands things, sign stealing is pretty much fair game anyway. I mean, that's why you're using signs in the first place..
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Post by m1keyboots on Jun 25, 2018 13:07:03 GMT -5
Stealing signs. He's a former Cardinal so this adds a little more pleasure in beating him and him being a bitter loser. Ahh yes from last season and all that crap. Gonzales is a junk baller. I don't know why he's surprised to see a lineup hit him harder the second tine through the order. What a moron. Man. Return to the back of Seattle's rotation, you slightly harder throwing version of Omar Daal. Edit: like someone says, because a 90 mpH fastball in the heart of the plate to Moreland is usually unhittable... high fastballs to Devers, Mookie/Benintendi I guess just missed the memo.
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 25, 2018 13:36:42 GMT -5
Chris Sale, officially a bad dude.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 25, 2018 14:54:25 GMT -5
Chris Sale, officially a bad dude. Someone with photoshop... go
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Post by radiohix on Jun 25, 2018 15:42:21 GMT -5
Chris Sale, officially a bad dude. Always was. Dude was pitching in short sleeves in arctic temperature in April lmao. I love him
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Post by telson13 on Jun 25, 2018 16:49:38 GMT -5
Excellent baseball day. Chris Sale pitched like....Chris Sale, and he even got some run support. And the Rays threw a bucket of ice cold gatorade on the Yankees' hot streak. Thank you Kevin Cash and your Rays. I have to admit to being surprised that the Rays aren't as awful as I thought they'd be. I thought they'd be at 100 losses. Kevin Cash is doing a great job with a team that can't even identify 5 starting pitchers, have already dealt away their closer and let go of their best hitter (still can't figure out why) in spring training. It’s not really surprising if you look at their 40-man. They replaced Dickerson with Cron to save $, jettisoned Odorizzi because his production was trending down and salary up, and they had a lot of “lose 1-2 WAR, hope we can pick up 0.5-1.5 with internal options” situations. They really didn’t have any expensive “stars,” just a lot of marginally costly average players that they dumped/moved. Their depth (despite the horrible SP injury bug) was excellent, and young pitching talent like Snell (and to a lesser extent Yarbrough and Faria) has stepped up. Archer’s been better than the last two years. When you’re losing a fair amount of average and replacing it with fringe average, all you really need is one AS performance to make up the difference. I tried making that point pre-season and got panned for it, so I’m feeling a little vindicated. I thought the idea that they’d suddenly become “the worst team in the league” overblown. They’re mediocre, but young and constructed for fungibility.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 25, 2018 18:48:58 GMT -5
Chris Sale, officially a bad dude. Someone with photoshop... go For some reason, once I got past the obvious STreet Fighter rip-off, I was reminded of “Double Dragon.” 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 25, 2018 18:56:33 GMT -5
Excellent baseball day. Chris Sale pitched like....Chris Sale, and he even got some run support. And the Rays threw a bucket of ice cold gatorade on the Yankees' hot streak. Thank you Kevin Cash and your Rays. I have to admit to being surprised that the Rays aren't as awful as I thought they'd be. I thought they'd be at 100 losses. Kevin Cash is doing a great job with a team that can't even identify 5 starting pitchers, have already dealt away their closer and let go of their best hitter (still can't figure out why) in spring training. It’s not really surprising if you look at their 40-man. They replaced Dickerson with Cron to save $, jettisoned Odorizzi because his production was trending down and salary up, and they had a lot of “lose 1-2 WAR, hope we can pick up 0.5-1.5 with internal options” situations. They really didn’t have any expensive “stars,” just a lot of marginally costly average players that they dumped/moved. Their depth (despite the horrible SP injury bug) was excellent, and young pitching talent like Snell (and to a lesser extent Yarbrough and Faria) has stepped up. Archer’s been better than the last two years. When you’re losing a fair amount of average and replacing it with fringe average, all you really need is one AS performance to make up the difference. I tried making that point pre-season and got panned for it, so I’m feeling a little vindicated. I thought the idea that they’d suddenly become “the worst team in the league” overblown. They’re mediocre, but young and constructed for fungibility. People vastly overvalued Dickerson and they wanted to lump the Rays into the whole "tanking" narrative. But the Rays weren't ever trying to be bad, they were moving overvalued assets. There is something fundamentally wrong with the Rays, but it's not that the front office isn't smart or isn't trying to win.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 25, 2018 19:04:43 GMT -5
It’s not really surprising if you look at their 40-man. They replaced Dickerson with Cron to save $, jettisoned Odorizzi because his production was trending down and salary up, and they had a lot of “lose 1-2 WAR, hope we can pick up 0.5-1.5 with internal options” situations. They really didn’t have any expensive “stars,” just a lot of marginally costly average players that they dumped/moved. Their depth (despite the horrible SP injury bug) was excellent, and young pitching talent like Snell (and to a lesser extent Yarbrough and Faria) has stepped up. Archer’s been better than the last two years. When you’re losing a fair amount of average and replacing it with fringe average, all you really need is one AS performance to make up the difference. I tried making that point pre-season and got panned for it, so I’m feeling a little vindicated. I thought the idea that they’d suddenly become “the worst team in the league” overblown. They’re mediocre, but young and constructed for fungibility. People vastly overvalued Dickerson and they wanted to lump the Rays into the whole "tanking" narrative. But the Rays weren't ever trying to be bad, they were moving overvalued assets. There is something fundamentally wrong with the Rays, but it's not that the front office isn't smart or isn't trying to win. I agree 100%. They’re doing what they’ve always done: working aggressively within an extremely limited budget and sacrificing established but predictable mediocrity for cost-effective but variable youth (which often equates to mediocrity). Frankly, I applaud them for making smart moves that fit their constraints and defy (often wholly inaccurate) CW. If they had twice the budget, they’d be an extremely dangerous team. Their late-2000s run was pretty impressive, and they remain a dangerous team moving forward because of the intense pressure to innovate that their budget constraints confer.
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Post by Coreno on Jun 25, 2018 19:44:52 GMT -5
They really didn’t have any expensive “stars,” just a lot of marginally costly average players that they dumped/moved. Longoria?
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jun 25, 2018 20:37:00 GMT -5
Chris Sale, officially a bad dude. Someone with photoshop... go Haha! That image brings back memories. I even remember the names of the two bad dudes: blade (dude with white pants) and striker. A fair question is why on earth I remember that? 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 25, 2018 20:41:38 GMT -5
They really didn’t have any expensive “stars,” just a lot of marginally costly average players that they dumped/moved. Longoria? Maybe good timing ? Longoria 0.3 fWAR Sandoval 0.5 fWAR
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Post by telson13 on Jun 25, 2018 20:48:35 GMT -5
They really didn’t have any expensive “stars,” just a lot of marginally costly average players that they dumped/moved. Longoria? I suppose you could argue that, but he put up fWARs over the prior four years of 3.6, 3.8, 4.4, and 2.4. His offense was in decline (from routinely 130s to 105, 109, 123, 96 for wRC+), and I think they made an (accurate, it looks like) prediction that it would continue. His defense was still quite good, and his salary was reasonable...but TB isn’t really a team that can afford to pay $10M (or even $5M) per WAR. So they traded him when he was essentially an appropriately-priced (but expensive for them) slightly above-average player. I don’t think you could really call him a “star” anymore, at least performance-wise. And his Giants tenure reflects that, so far. But, they did manage to move him to a big-pocket team for who his salary was still very palatable as a solid average player, and who could dream on a rebound. That, combined with cost-effectiveness and control, from the Giants’ end, meant they could still get reasonable return.
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