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5/20-5/23 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 23, 2019 0:17:19 GMT -5
Oooops!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 23, 2019 0:59:22 GMT -5
Feel bad for Thornburg. Wish him well. He'll bounce back and get claimed or at worst get a minor league deal, but it was time to go. His 40 man roster spot will be useful when the Sox acquire another late inning arm later in the season (we can agree that's happening definitely, right?!!)
The only arm that makes sense to call up that's performing is Josh Taylor. It's got to be him who's getting called up.
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Post by ericmvan on May 23, 2019 2:09:37 GMT -5
Some folks may be aware that Mookie's birthday in October is just 17 days before Devers', so same-age comparisons are very kosher.
At this point in his their age 22 seasons (49 team games in):
.270 / .335 / .421 (427 PA) -- Mookie career .282 / .352 / .460 (426 PA) -- Devers most recent PA, to match Mookie's total (including postseason)
(And Devers had a previous 577 PA where he hit .261 / .317 / .458 -- essentially identical to Mookie's full line)
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on May 23, 2019 2:32:12 GMT -5
Tied for second highest EV all year, opposite-field HR by a LHB (with Max Muncy, trailing Kyle Schwarber at 109.6).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 23, 2019 2:45:31 GMT -5
At least the Sox look like they have their first 5 hitters set in a good place the next 5 years if they somehow manage to resign Mookie. Benny, Mookie, Xander, Devers, Chavis.
Pretty good start there.
The Sox may be hiding a injury to JDM right now. The last game he played was in the outfield and he hasn't been seen since. It's one of the reasons why he should be a DH only. He'll be out tomorrow too. Add- It's a tough decision, but if JDM's opts out, I'd let him walk. Can't keep everyone. The DH is the only thing keeping him on the field, and even that is no given as he gets older.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 23, 2019 5:23:36 GMT -5
According to NESN, Ryan Weber gets the start tomorrow vs Clayton Richard.
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Post by hammerhead on May 23, 2019 5:36:00 GMT -5
JDM also has the shits. If it was just the stiff back he'd probably be playing
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 23, 2019 8:02:51 GMT -5
At least the Sox look like they have their first 5 hitters set in a good place the next 5 years if they somehow manage to resign Mookie. Benny, Mookie, Xander, Devers, Chavis. Pretty good start there. The Sox may be hiding a injury to JDM right now. The last game he played was in the outfield and he hasn't been seen since. It's one of the reasons why he should be a DH only. He'll be out tomorrow too. Add- It's a tough decision, but if JDM's opts out, I'd let him walk. Can't keep everyone. The DH is the only thing keeping him on the field, and even that is no given as he gets older. I think if JDM walks they're a monster bat short of having the lineup they need that can go far. I know he's a DH - but then again so was Big Papi and the Sox regularly exploited the DH advantage they had over other teams for years - and JDM is showing no signs of slowing down. And like somebody else said - JDM is under the weather, not injured. JDM and Betts are the two players the Sox need to keep. Keeping JDM shouldn't cost them that much more than they're playing him now. Porcello, Moreland, Pearce, Nunez, Sandoval's contract- that's what will be leaving. Maybe even Pedroia's contract - if he decides to retire, which wouldn't shock me.
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Post by huskies15 on May 23, 2019 8:30:45 GMT -5
Another bullpen arm and a RHH 4th Outfielder are obvious needs to be addressed at some point. But great win!
Mookie seems bound to get super hot. He's walking at a career high rate, and is a few extra base hits away from looking like the absolute force he is. That said his current 134 WRC+ is still awesome.
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Post by James Dunne on May 23, 2019 8:53:47 GMT -5
Betts has been outstanding and I don't think his 2018 season is a fair standard we should hold him to.
And, broken record here - carrying a three-person bench so that you have a spot for Thornburg or Brewer is nuts, because when someone (Martinez in the case) is banged up for a couple days but not so much that he should go on the IL it turns the bench into a backup catcher and one other person.
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Post by James Dunne on May 23, 2019 9:12:00 GMT -5
Thornburg to the DL with a hip impingement, Lakins called up.
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Post by Guidas on May 23, 2019 9:21:31 GMT -5
As they say in Canada (or at least from Ontario out to the Maritimes), “Great win, eh.”
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 23, 2019 9:21:58 GMT -5
Thornburg to the DL with a hip impingement, Lakins called up. Oh Tyler, we hardly knew ye.
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Post by Guidas on May 23, 2019 9:34:56 GMT -5
At least the Sox look like they have their first 5 hitters set in a good place the next 5 years if they somehow manage to resign Mookie. Benny, Mookie, Xander, Devers, Chavis. Pretty good start there. The Sox may be hiding a injury to JDM right now. The last game he played was in the outfield and he hasn't been seen since. It's one of the reasons why he should be a DH only. He'll be out tomorrow too. Add- It's a tough decision, but if JDM's opts out, I'd let him walk. Can't keep everyone. The DH is the only thing keeping him on the field, and even that is no given as he gets older. I think they have to retain him. He’s not just a superstar with the bat, he’s changed the offensive culture of the team. Several stories reference younger players (Bett, Xander, Devers, Bradley, Chavis) getting help and instruction from him. He’s as close to Manny Ramirez as I’ve seen with RISP, too. Finally, there’s no one close to what he is coming in free agency. You’re losing Porcello, Moreland, Pierce and Panda’s $$$ so there should be a few mil a year to add to JD’s salary, even if it’s a blend of cash and incentives. What they really need is a legit 4th OF because he ain’t that. Maybe Chavis could fill that role (at least in LF at home).
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Post by bluechip on May 23, 2019 10:26:12 GMT -5
Betts has been outstanding and I don't think his 2018 season is a fair standard we should hold him to. And, broken record here - carrying a three-person bench so that you have a spot for Thornburg or Brewer is nuts, because when someone (Martinez in the case) is banged up for a couple days but not so much that he should go on the IL. It turns the bench into a backup catcher and one other person. Or your catcher (who is admittedly having a good offensive year through 38 games) with a career 72 wRC+ as your DH.
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Post by James Dunne on May 23, 2019 10:31:12 GMT -5
Yes, exactly. Just, like... Gorkys Hernandez and Bryce Brentz are basically near replacement level, but they need a replacement level help there more than Colten Brewer as the #8 right-hander out of the pen. And that's no disrespect to Brewer, whose stuff is interesting. I'm not saying to give up on him. But, he hasn't been effective and he has options, the a key part in the value of guys like that is to slide them up and down in their option years to maximize roster flexibility.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 23, 2019 10:58:45 GMT -5
Yes, exactly. Just, like... Gorkys Hernandez and Bryce Brentz are basically near replacement level, but they need a replacement level help there more than Colten Brewer as the #8 right-hander out of the pen. And that's no disrespect to Brewer, whose stuff is interesting. I'm not saying to give up on him. But, he hasn't been effective and he has options, the a key part in the value of guys like that is to slide them up and down in their option years to maximize roster flexibility. It’s really amazing how the Red Sox have constructed the back end of their roster to contain almost none of the things they actually need. No OF depth to cover a struggling JBJ, and imagine they mess they’d be in if Chavis hadn’t bailed them out at 2b. But at least there’s no shortage of terrible bullpen re-treads, or, you know, Eduardo Nunez.
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Post by incandenza on May 23, 2019 11:13:35 GMT -5
Yes, exactly. Just, like... Gorkys Hernandez and Bryce Brentz are basically near replacement level, but they need a replacement level help there more than Colten Brewer as the #8 right-hander out of the pen. And that's no disrespect to Brewer, whose stuff is interesting. I'm not saying to give up on him. But, he hasn't been effective and he has options, the a key part in the value of guys like that is to slide them up and down in their option years to maximize roster flexibility. It’s really amazing how the Red Sox have constructed the back end of their roster to contain almost none of the things they actually need. No OF depth to cover a struggling JBJ, and imagine they mess they’d be in if Chavis hadn’t bailed them out at 2b. But at least there’s no shortage of terrible bullpen re-treads, or, you know, Eduardo Nunez. It's Dombrowski's MO - it's like he just sort of loses interest about two-thirds of the way down filling out the roster. I don't know why.
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Post by jimed14 on May 23, 2019 12:46:45 GMT -5
Freaking moron umpire. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb umpire. Even both managers agree. They're both arguing with the ump on the same play.
No pitcher ever threw at a batter with an 0-2 count.
Edit- 5 innings of 1 run ball from Weber. Cannot possibly ask for more than that.
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Post by incandenza on May 23, 2019 13:09:57 GMT -5
More BABIP luck for Devers on that dink into the outfield.
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Post by kevfc89 on May 23, 2019 13:11:29 GMT -5
signs of life from Pearce
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Post by jimed14 on May 23, 2019 13:11:34 GMT -5
More BABIP luck for Devers on that dink into the outfield. And he also has a 108 mph out in this game to go with that 108 mph double.
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Post by kevfc89 on May 23, 2019 13:13:17 GMT -5
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Post by huskies15 on May 23, 2019 13:17:04 GMT -5
Devers is a monster.
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Post by jimed14 on May 23, 2019 13:20:48 GMT -5
I would have a hard time picking between Devers and Vlad Jr if I had to pick one. (not counting service time)
edit- what a legendary start from Ryan Weber. Probably the best spot start since Aaron Cook's 82 pitch shutout in 2012. Can he replace Velazquez?
Two more hits for JBJ to the left side of the field.
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