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7/12-7/14 Red Sox vs. Dodgers Series Thread
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 12, 2019 21:21:59 GMT -5
1035 restart time
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 12, 2019 21:38:16 GMT -5
X-rated hr! good call by the umpires
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 12, 2019 21:39:33 GMT -5
intentional walk to Devers, teams are starting to treat him like our best hitter...but, you still got Xander and JD behind him ya know
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 12, 2019 22:03:57 GMT -5
BeatLA never gets old. I imagine most of the Dodger “fans” hit the exit once the tarp went on the field,
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Post by ianrs on Jul 12, 2019 22:22:10 GMT -5
What a great way to start the 2nd half.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 12, 2019 22:34:53 GMT -5
For most of the at-bat, Maeda's motion had him fooled and he was in front of the ball. But the wheels were cranking and I wondered if he wouldn't get one of those timed. Took a while but that's just what he did. The board is funny about the guy, with a lot of revisionist thinking, trivial stuff about this and that. Hard for some people to accept that he's a very good defensive catcher and now he's turned himself into a very good hitter also. It's not as if he's playing in isolation. The talk about how juiced the ball is for Devers and Vazquez is often in the same gameday threads where posters worry about Betts' lost mojo. But that's a typical baseball season, no? Some are up, some down. He deserved serious consideration for the all-star team though he didn't get it. Still flying under the radar. He's likely going to be worth ten times his salary this year when all is said and done.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2019 23:16:36 GMT -5
The Red Sox picked up right where they left off against the Dodgers.
The Sox played a complete game tonight. E-Rod didn't have Puig around to crush any of his pitches so he cruised instead. Pitched a gem.
And the Sox had the power bats working tonight. Devers was Devers. Vazquez now has, count them, 15 homers. Xander one-armed one over the wall. Even Holt nearly had one.
Hope to see them play a lot more like that in the second half.
And they did it against an excellent opponent, although for some reason the Sox have owned the NL for the past 15 years or so. Maybe it's payback for having 85 seasons of not beating an NL team.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 5:31:10 GMT -5
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jul 13, 2019 6:56:36 GMT -5
For most of the at-bat, Maeda's motion had him fooled and he was in front of the ball. But the wheels were cranking and I wondered if he wouldn't get one of those timed. Took a while but that's just what he did. The board is funny about the guy, with a lot of revisionist thinking, trivial stuff about this and that. Hard for some people to accept that he's a very good defensive catcher and now he's turned himself into a very good hitter also. It's not as if he's playing in isolation. The talk about how juiced the ball is for Devers and Vazquez is often in the same gameday threads where posters worry about Betts' lost mojo. But that's a typical baseball season, no? Some are up, some down. He deserved serious consideration for the all-star team though he didn't get it. Still flying under the radar. He's likely going to be worth ten times his salary this year when all is said and done. Hard for people to accept that he’s turned into a good hitter? Yeah, it is hard to accept. Know why? Because he’s been a lousy hitter for the vast majority of his career. In his first 900 plus at bats in the bigs he hit a grand total of 10 homers. He’s hit 15 in what 250 plus plate appearances. Maybe the ball is juiced? Maybe he’s finally put it all together? Maybe it’s a combination of all those things? Honestly I don’t know and don’t particularly care. I’m thrilled with what’s he’s doing and hope it continues. And he has been worth every dime he’s getting this year and then some. But I’m not going to act like I’m not nervous that the clock’s about to hit midnight and he turns back into Sandy Leon (offensively speaking).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 13, 2019 7:17:03 GMT -5
I remember Pedro's dominance that game.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 13, 2019 10:16:57 GMT -5
Great win.
Need more.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2019 10:25:25 GMT -5
For most of the at-bat, Maeda's motion had him fooled and he was in front of the ball. But the wheels were cranking and I wondered if he wouldn't get one of those timed. Took a while but that's just what he did. The board is funny about the guy, with a lot of revisionist thinking, trivial stuff about this and that. Hard for some people to accept that he's a very good defensive catcher and now he's turned himself into a very good hitter also. It's not as if he's playing in isolation. The talk about how juiced the ball is for Devers and Vazquez is often in the same gameday threads where posters worry about Betts' lost mojo. But that's a typical baseball season, no? Some are up, some down. He deserved serious consideration for the all-star team though he didn't get it. Still flying under the radar. He's likely going to be worth ten times his salary this year when all is said and done. Hard for people to accept that he’s turned into a good hitter? Yeah, it is hard to accept. Know why? Because he’s been a lousy hitter for the vast majority of his career. In his first 900 plus at bats in the bigs he hit a grand total of 10 homers. He’s hit 15 in what 250 plus plate appearances. Maybe the ball is juiced? Maybe he’s finally put it all together? Maybe it’s a combination of all those things? Honestly I don’t know and don’t particularly care. I’m thrilled with what’s he’s doing and hope it continues. And he has been worth every dime he’s getting this year and then some. But I’m not going to act like I’m not nervous that the clock’s about to hit midnight and he turns back into Sandy Leon (offensively speaking).
From this forum last October. Updates in brackets.
Yeah, Vazquez did reach it in September once all those triple A pitchers got called up around the league. But if all that matters is behind the plate who am I to say anything else but to wish Blake the best in his career. The argument that Christian Vazquez is a Menodza-line quality big league hitter is precisely the same as the one that Jackie Bradley, Jr. wasn't much better than one. How did that work out? If you've actually watched the baseball games, it's clear that CV is a good hitter as a catcher, maybe even a very good one, when his mechanics and approach are right. He has good bat-to-ball skills and surprising pop. He has a track record of some unusually good season in the minors. [Most notably, .283 / .358 / .505 at age 20 in low-A. He had a history of struggling at each new level and doing much better when repeating, but because of his defensive prowess, he was on a fast track.]
His problem is that he's gone huge, long stretches where his mechanics and approach have been awful, and he's been an automatic out. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Last year [i.e., 2017] he had a 132 wRC+ over 240 PA. Unfortunately, after the first 98 of those (122 wRC+; he was 137 over his last 142), he had 105 PA with a wRC+ of 3. Yes, 3. Not 30. 3.
[This year he has a 120 wRC+, but he started off with a 53 in his first 43 PA. What has he done subsequently? He has had a 132 wRC+ in 233 PA.In case you missed that, he hit exactly this well two years ago, for exactly as much time. It was 70% of his season; this year it's 84%, and he was merely really bad instead of incredibly awful while he was struggling.] I'm making an argument that as a streaky hitter, he has significant unrealized upside that he can realize simply by shortening the duration of his slumps. I made that argument about Carlos Pena when he was being released by several teams (and the Sox picked him up based on that, then had to let him go immediately before his breakout when they had a roster crunch). I made that argument about Travis Shaw before we traded him, and again immediately after. I made that argument about JBJ starting several years ago. It's going to be tougher for a catcher to attend to proper hitting approach and mechanics because (especially on this team) they are so focused on their own pitchers and the opposing hitters. But it's reasonable to believe that it will be easier for him to do that with each year. Here's a catcher's career: First 1033 PA: 64 wRC+. (CV has 999 career PA with a 67 wRC+). Next 1946 PA: 94 wRC+. Next 1622 PA: 132 wRC+. Gee, if only CV had been compared with him continually since the start of his career, that might give you extra hope that he could improve significantly as a hitter. Oh, wait ...
That, of course, is Yadi Molina. And you know what? The last line, where he turns into a 132 wRC+ guy, starts at age 28. Which is CV's age now.
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Post by soxjim on Jul 13, 2019 10:48:01 GMT -5
When do you start to consider to move up Vazquez to 5th and drop Beni to 6th?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 12:05:05 GMT -5
I remember Pedro's dominance that game. Yeah, I remember Pedro warming up. The mit made a different sound when he threw the ball, as opposed to everyone else. You could tell something different was coming. I was with my family friends. All the kids my age wanted cotton candy and go to the bathroom and walk around. All I wanted to do was watch Pedro. Pedro even had the kids I was with going by the time the 8th and 9th innings came around.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2019 12:06:12 GMT -5
When do you start to consider to move up Vazquez to 5th and drop Beni to 6th? You keep the R/L alteration. If you swapped them, it invites opposing managers to being in a LHR to face Beni and JBJ. The batting order right now is ideal, or close to it. I think I'd swap Holt and JBJ. For the record, opponent splits last night against Maeda:
Betts 88, Devers 101, Bogaerts 76, JDM 76, Beni 107, CV 91, JBJ 103, Chavis 92, Holt 102.
Vazquez' actual xwOBA vs. RHP are amazing.
.267 Great .272 Good .267 Average .285 Subpar .360 Bad .546 Awfu
(.284 overall, and .294 against all pitching)
He's one of the few guys on the team who feasts on bad pitching. But he has hit all pitchers average or better the same, regardless of how good they are against RHB. The way he was going (.355 xwOBA since 4/17), this actually made one of the two best projected RHB against Maeda last night, along with Mookie.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 13, 2019 12:18:48 GMT -5
Please provide great Chris Sale tonight !!
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Post by geostorm on Jul 13, 2019 14:36:17 GMT -5
on a tangent, I found this interesting
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 13, 2019 14:49:58 GMT -5
I remember Pedro's dominance that game. Yeah, I remember Pedro warming up. The mit made a different sound when he threw the ball, as opposed to everyone else. You could tell something different was coming. I was with my family friends. All the kids my age wanted cotton candy and go to the bathroom and walk around. All I wanted to do was watch Pedro. Pedro even had the kids I was with going by the time the 8th and 9th innings came around. I took my then girlfriend (now wife of almost 16 years) to her first Fenway game in 2002. She grew up in the Bronx, thought the Yankees were the only team there ever was and never heard of the Red Sox. To be fair, she couldn't care less about baseball, and that's still true now. But that first game at Fenway, there was Pedro warming up in the pen and we stood really close and she was like a giggly little girl just grinning at him, and he even made eye contact with her. She even got her first autograph. Jason Varitek used her pen to sign autographs. Of course if she wasn't hooked by the 2004 Red Sox, then baseball was never going to hook her, and that has been the case. But for whatever reason, Pedro had that magnetism, that even my wife couldn't help but notice. And oh yeah, the Red Sox beat the Tigers 8-1 behind Pedro that day. I think Mirabelli had a HR.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 13, 2019 16:27:18 GMT -5
Yankees and Rays already lost today to the Blue Jays and Orioles. LUL
Tampa/Baltimore plays again tonight.
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Post by manfred on Jul 13, 2019 16:46:31 GMT -5
Cashner in the rotation and Eovaldi in the pen feels like a significant upgrade. Reinforcements are here!
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Post by patford on Jul 13, 2019 17:17:46 GMT -5
It would really be nice to see Sale step up and do whatever it takes to win this game, up to and including a 9 inning shutout if that is what it takes. Basically though he just needs to win the game.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 13, 2019 17:38:09 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 17:41:43 GMT -5
They really do love throwing Vazquez everywhere. Makes one wonder if Leon is going to be catching Sale and Porcello the rest of the way through.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 13, 2019 17:44:36 GMT -5
They really do love throwing Vazquez everywhere. Makes one wonder if Leon is going to be catching Sale and Porcello the rest of the way through. if Sale does well tonight, it's only going to further the narrative that he can only throw to Leon and make it harder for Cora to switch it up.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 17:48:52 GMT -5
They really do love throwing Vazquez everywhere. Makes one wonder if Leon is going to be catching Sale and Porcello the rest of the way through. if Sale does well tonight, it's only going to further the narrative that he can only throw to Leon and make it harder for Cora to switch it up. Well, there are questions about Vazquez's pitch sequencing during a game. With Leon, there's no questions about it. He's clearly the superior option there.
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