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Post by Guidas on Apr 1, 2022 14:47:30 GMT -5
Stephen Drew probably wants to give Conforto a hug right now Conforto, Kumar Rocker, Carlos Correa*... Is any agent remotely as likely as Scott Boras to screw over his own clients? *I still cannot get over the Correa contract. Consider that Max Scherzer also signed a 3-year deal (albeit with one opt out instead of two). His AAV is $43 million - $8 million more than Correa's. That is despite the fact that: a) Scherzer is ten years older than Correa, and b) Correa has a substantially higher WAR projection, both for this season and even more so over the next 3 seasons. All that is against the backdrop of Boras having a personal financial incentive for Correa to opt out after this season; in other words, it was in his own interest to negotiate a short-term deal on poor terms for his client. I really feel like this should be treated as a total scandal.
With regard to Correa, he has an opt out after year 1 so not so much a screw-job. The pitch was probably: "The market next year will be even better and have much more time to play out." Left unsaid, of course, is that Boras now gets all the agent fees if Correa opts out, whereas if he got a long-term deal, the fees would be split with Correa's former agency. As for Comforto, he's getting more screwed by the QO, which in retrospect he probably should've taken and treated like a 1-year make-good. My suspicion is, however, he was just sick of the Mets and felt like he was being mismanaged there. Now, however, Comforto is boxed in and best he can hope for is something like a three- or four-year below-market deal. Or a year in Japan. Rocker...I got nothing. Maybe the plan is to get in an Indy league, prove he still has zip and sign a mid-season contract. Or maybe his arm is actually shredded Steak-Ums and no one wants to go near it.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 1, 2022 14:58:23 GMT -5
I don't think that's being fair to Boras. For one, that nutty Scherzer deal (which most people here defended) was negotiated by Boras. Conforto - He had a horrendous walk season and then got injured during the lockout. His fortunes have tumbled, but I'm not sure how Boras is to blame. I think most people would have characterized the QO decision as borderline at the time. Correa - I think you can argue that they didn't play their cards perfectly here. Texas might prefer to have Correa than Seager, and Correa would probably be happier with Seager's deal. Once the lockout ended, Houston was offering 5/160, cellar dweller Baltimore apparently had some big offer (that may have been partially fake with deferred money or team options) and that was pretty much it apparently. Given those options I don't think it was outrageous to go for a big one year deal with insurance and try again next year. Kumar - I won't comment since I don't know the blow by blow details of how this went down. Conforto - It was a borderline decision on the QO, and it looks like he made the wrong call. Bad agenting! (Admittedly it's still possible he ends up with a 5/90 deal or something; we'll see...)
Correa - The short-term high-AAV approach is defensible for Correa. But he didn't even get the high AAV! That's my whole point. He basically got Trevor Bauer's deal. Correa ought to have done a lot better than Trevor Bauer. The fact that Boras himself did so much better for Scherzer makes the low AAV for Correa all the more suspicious. Bad agenting!
Kumar - All's I know is, Boras got Kumar to not take the (MLB-administered?) physical which would have protecteed him against the scenario that played out. In other words, Boras engineered a situation in which the 10th overall draft pick got $0, and now who knows how it'll turn out for him. Bad agenting!
Boras is a brinksman and a gambler, which is a good approach when you can spread your risk around a lot of bets (which he can do since he has so many clients). Each of the players he represents, though, only gets to make the one bet, so they take on all the individual risk. Sometimes it works out, as for Scherzer; sometimes, as for these guys, it does not.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 1, 2022 15:18:20 GMT -5
I don't think that's being fair to Boras. For one, that nutty Scherzer deal (which most people here defended) was negotiated by Boras. Conforto - He had a horrendous walk season and then got injured during the lockout. His fortunes have tumbled, but I'm not sure how Boras is to blame. I think most people would have characterized the QO decision as borderline at the time. Correa - I think you can argue that they didn't play their cards perfectly here. Texas might prefer to have Correa than Seager, and Correa would probably be happier with Seager's deal. Once the lockout ended, Houston was offering 5/160, cellar dweller Baltimore apparently had some big offer (that may have been partially fake with deferred money or team options) and that was pretty much it apparently. Given those options I don't think it was outrageous to go for a big one year deal with insurance and try again next year. Kumar - I won't comment since I don't know the blow by blow details of how this went down. Next year’s free agent market is super weak too, so there should be more money floating around, especially if Correa performs. 10 years 330M if he puts a 6+ WAR season up
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 1, 2022 15:37:13 GMT -5
Unless they really think Pollock is going to fall off a cliff, that trade seems pretty awful. I don't think it's that bad. Pollock is an often injured outfielder the Dodgers can live without. It would allow them to play Lux every day who is supposed to be a good prospect who has yet to pan out. It would allow them to DH Muncy which would improve their defense. Kimbrel can be a dominant closer. Better chance of that in LA with his closing than in Chicago with him setting up which he doesn't do well for some reason. It's a good deal for the Sox. They can live without Kimbrel certainly and maybe Pollock can stay healthy enough and be a big help to them, so it's not much of a gamble for them. I think the trade makes sense for both teams. It would have made more sense for the Dodgers to find a way to retain Janssen and they wouldn't have had to deal Pollock but when that ship sailed it left their bullpen as bit of a question mark. With Kimbrel as closer, it puts their bullpen kind of back in order with Treinen settling in as a setup man. Or, the Dodgers are making room for Conforto.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 1, 2022 15:56:21 GMT -5
I don't think it's that bad. Pollock is an often injured outfielder the Dodgers can live without. It would allow them to play Lux every day who is supposed to be a good prospect who has yet to pan out. It would allow them to DH Muncy which would improve their defense. Kimbrel can be a dominant closer. Better chance of that in LA with his closing than in Chicago with him setting up which he doesn't do well for some reason. It's a good deal for the Sox. They can live without Kimbrel certainly and maybe Pollock can stay healthy enough and be a big help to them, so it's not much of a gamble for them. I think the trade makes sense for both teams. It would have made more sense for the Dodgers to find a way to retain Janssen and they wouldn't have had to deal Pollock but when that ship sailed it left their bullpen as bit of a question mark. With Kimbrel as closer, it puts their bullpen kind of back in order with Treinen settling in as a setup man. Or, the Dodgers are making room for Conforto. Wouldn't put it past them.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 1, 2022 16:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Apr 1, 2022 18:45:49 GMT -5
Pollack would have been perfect on the Red Sox, Chaim might have been fighting over him.. White Sox had a huge hole in the OF and were the #1 rumored Conforto destination. Maybe we see our domino fall now Absolutely do not make a trade with Friedman. He robs everyone. This trade will be no different.
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Post by cdj on Apr 1, 2022 19:30:22 GMT -5
Indians extension talks with Jose Ramirez have apparently died
Poverty franchise, sad.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 1, 2022 20:13:58 GMT -5
Indians extension talks with Jose Ramirez have apparently died Poverty franchise, sad. #Guardians
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Post by cdj on Apr 1, 2022 20:55:49 GMT -5
Indians extension talks with Jose Ramirez have apparently died Poverty franchise, sad. #Guardians Oopsie daisies. Gonna take me the same amount of time to adjust from Pawtucket to Worcester lol
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 1, 2022 21:09:54 GMT -5
Oopsie daisies. Gonna take me the same amount of time to adjust from Pawtucket to Worcester lol I flat out never adjusted!
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Post by cdj on Apr 2, 2022 1:29:10 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 2, 2022 1:46:16 GMT -5
Chris Paddack for three years of arbitration aint that exciting. No way the Mets are eating all $60 million if thats the only prize
"Shedding at least a portion of it would help the Padres create financial flexibility for other moves; FanGraphs estimates they are just $6 million away from the $230 million luxury-tax threshold."
Sounds like they want Conforto. They have a black hole in LF.
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Post by rico6 on Apr 2, 2022 9:45:33 GMT -5
Another update in the possible Hosmer to the Mets deal:
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 2, 2022 12:04:46 GMT -5
Umm, kinda weird for all the details to be out there while the Mets are "mulling", isn't it? Is Steve Cohen reading Mets Twitter right now to help make up his mind?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 2, 2022 12:27:33 GMT -5
Umm, kinda weird for all the details to be out there while the Mets are "mulling", isn't it? Is Steve Cohen reading Mets Twitter right now to help make up his mind? Yeah - I'm willing to bet the 'mulling' already happened and the answer was 'no'. (or they're trying to gain leverage for more)
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Post by cdj on Apr 2, 2022 12:34:58 GMT -5
Justin Upton DFA’d
He’s actually hitting well this spring. Nobody will claim him so he’ll be a free agent soon
RHH OF! He’s just bad in the field and hasn’t been an average bat in a few years. Probably playable in LF here, and can put Verdugo in RF.
I’d give him a minor league deal just to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Better than Refnsyder
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 2, 2022 12:37:08 GMT -5
Justin Upton DFA’d He’s actually hitting well this spring Always liked the younger Upton for some reason. Not going to do the obligatory, is he an option as a RHH of for the Sox since he's just plain bad now but hopefully he can catch on somewhere else and have a mini revitalizion.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 2, 2022 12:40:46 GMT -5
Spencer Torkelson made the Tigers roster. How many teams would have waited a few weeks?
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 2, 2022 12:43:36 GMT -5
Spencer Torkelson made the Tigers roster. How many teams would have waited a few weeks? Is the new rule where if gets a pick for a rookie of the year or whatever the rule is in effect this year? Not saying that's really worth losing an extra year of service especially for a team like Detroit who probably isn't winning a title but perhaps it helps soften the blow a bit anyway. Either way I love it, I wish more teams would do this. The games better without all the service time manipulation and if I were a tigers fan I'd be really pumped right now.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 2, 2022 13:14:51 GMT -5
Travis Shaw needs to be told today if he's making the roster. Possible the Red Sox are lurking on Hosmer and that's the deadline creating action. Rosenthal says Hosmer's AAV is down to 6.25 in the Mets deal.
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Post by manfred on Apr 2, 2022 13:19:14 GMT -5
I’m game for Upton. I’d rather have him to face lefties than Shaw to face… anyone?
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 2, 2022 13:19:17 GMT -5
Travis Shaw needs to be told today if he's making the roster. Possible the Red Sox are lurking on Hosmer and that's the deadline creating action. Rosenthal says Hosmer's AAV is down to 6.25 in the Mets deal. I guess I wouldn't hate taking Hosmer for that little money if they can get back paddack and pagan but I still don't think I'd love it either. Hoping he gets dealt anywhere else and we can finally put to bed the take Hosmer and his contract with other pieces for nothing talk that keeps popping up the last couple offseasons.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 2, 2022 13:26:57 GMT -5
Travis Shaw needs to be told today if he's making the roster. Possible the Red Sox are lurking on Hosmer and that's the deadline creating action. Rosenthal says Hosmer's AAV is down to 6.25 in the Mets deal. I guess I wouldn't hate taking Hosmer for that little money if they can get back paddack and pagan but I still don't think I'd love it either. Hoping he gets dealt anywhere else and we can finally put to bed the take Hosmer and his contract with other pieces for nothing talk that keeps popping up the last couple offseasons. Hosmer for this year seems like a great fit - but assuming Casas is up by the end of the year, you may be best off buying out anything left on his contract. That's a tough pill to swallow.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 2, 2022 13:31:59 GMT -5
I guess I wouldn't hate taking Hosmer for that little money if they can get back paddack and pagan but I still don't think I'd love it either. Hoping he gets dealt anywhere else and we can finally put to bed the take Hosmer and his contract with other pieces for nothing talk that keeps popping up the last couple offseasons. Hosmer for this year seems like a great fit - but assuming Casas is up by the end of the year, you may be best off buying out anything left on his contract. That's a tough pill to swallow. Well if the reports are true that it'd be 6.5 million left aav after the Padres pay down some of the deal I would imagine the sox could pay down even more of that to flip him somewhere else when Casas is ready. Still not my favorite idea and one I'd rather they stay away from but like I said I wouldn't absolutely hate it. The Sox would apparently have to top Dominic Smith though who I think could be a decent cheap player at first so it's not going to be as easy as just saying okay fine here's some minor league depth piece give us the Hosmer package either.
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