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4/22-4/24 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Apr 22, 2022 10:51:13 GMT -5
4/22 Red Sox (RHP Michael Wacha, 0-0, 0.96, 9.1 IP, 9K:5BB) @ Rays (RHP Corey Kluber, 0-0, 1.86, 9.2 IP, 9K:4BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 4/23 Red Sox (RHP Garrett Whitlock, 1-0, 0.93, 9.2 IP, 11K:2BB) @ Rays (TBD) 6:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 4/24 Red Sox (LHP Rich Hill, 0-1, 7.00, 9.0 IP, 6K:3BB) @ Rays (LHP Shane McClanahan, 0-1, 2.40, 15.0 IP, 24K:5BB) 1:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2022: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 22, 2022 11:47:22 GMT -5
Give me Whitlock in the rotation baby!
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Post by manfred on Apr 22, 2022 11:47:53 GMT -5
The classic Saturday matchup of TBD vs. TBD! I get chills with anticipation.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 22, 2022 12:01:34 GMT -5
The classic Saturday matchup of TBD vs. TBD! I get chills with anticipation. You down wit' TBD? It's Mazza, C.
(fangraphs says chris mazza is getting the start, but they might be guessing)
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Post by Guidas on Apr 22, 2022 12:10:37 GMT -5
I hate these guys as much as NYY. So does my avatar.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 22, 2022 12:21:45 GMT -5
There is gonna be plenty of motivation after our dismissal of these fools last October. Boys better come prepared.
Statement time. Sweep the leg !!
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Post by nomar on Apr 22, 2022 12:33:48 GMT -5
They should start Brasier on Saturday
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 22, 2022 12:34:56 GMT -5
THE ROBLENATOR, A STARTER??
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Post by manfred on Apr 22, 2022 15:52:31 GMT -5
To carry a discussion over from the last game thread: today’s lineup is inauspicious. And we can debate Shaw, Dalbec, etc. but I guess the question is, even if JDM is back very soon, do folks feel like this is a lineup that is going to get rolling? And if not, what to do? Casas? Trade? Accept the inevitable?
To be clear: I think this isn’t getting it done. But I lean towards accept the inevitable. I’m not sure a trade moves the needle. They just seem pretty mediocre in too many categories. I am deeply concerned about my 90 win projection.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 22, 2022 15:56:48 GMT -5
To carry a discussion over from the last game thread: today’s lineup is inauspicious. And we can debate Shaw, Dalbec, etc. but I guess the question is, even if JDM is back very soon, do folks feel like this is a lineup that is going to get rolling? And if not, what to do? Casas? Trade? Accept the inevitable? I believe with a healthy JD they have 6 good hitters in story, xandy, rafi, bogy, JD, Verdugo. Jury is out on Dalbec, I'm not a big believer in JBJ but he has at least shown some life and Hernandez is showing that last year may or may not have been a career year for him. They definitely have some room to improve via an acquisition but I guess I would say overall I do think this is a lineup that will get rolling. But they'd best do it sooner than later since every game is going to be key with how tough this division is. Edit: rather than edit my big mistake of counting Xander twice ill amend it this way by saying I think they have 5 good hitters. (X,Rafi,story,Verdugo, JD). The rest of my comment is still valid though about Hernandez, JBJ, Dalbec etc. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 22, 2022 15:58:02 GMT -5
To carry a discussion over from the last game thread: today’s lineup is inauspicious. And we can debate Shaw, Dalbec, etc. but I guess the question is, even if JDM is back very soon, do folks feel like this is a lineup that is going to get rolling? And if not, what to do? Casas? Trade? Accept the inevitable? I believe with a healthy JD they have 6 good hitters in story, xandy, rafi, bogy, JD, Verdugo. Jury is out on Dalbec, I'm not a big believer in JBJ but he has at least shown some life and Hernandez is showing that last year may or may not have been a career year for him. They definitely have some room to improve via an acquisition but I guess I would say overall I do think this is a lineup that will get rolling. But they'd best do it sooner than later since every game is going to be key with how tough this division is. LOL. I presume one of "Xandy" and "Bogy" should've been someone else? |
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 22, 2022 15:58:46 GMT -5
To carry a discussion over from the last game thread: today’s lineup is inauspicious. And we can debate Shaw, Dalbec, etc. but I guess the question is, even if JDM is back very soon, do folks feel like this is a lineup that is going to get rolling? And if not, what to do? Casas? Trade? Accept the inevitable? To be clear: I think this isn’t getting it done. But I lean towards accept the inevitable. I’m not sure a trade moves the needle. They just seem pretty mediocre in too many categories. I am deeply concerned about my 90 win projection. I mean, pretty much everyone thought this lineup was one of the best lineups in the league 13 games ago. And their stinky performance so far this year is close to league average. The AL is batting .229 this year, everyone's offense sucks. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 22, 2022 15:59:14 GMT -5
I believe with a healthy JD they have 6 good hitters in story, xandy, rafi, bogy, JD, Verdugo. Jury is out on Dalbec, I'm not a big believer in JBJ but he has at least shown some life and Hernandez is showing that last year may or may not have been a career year for him. They definitely have some room to improve via an acquisition but I guess I would say overall I do think this is a lineup that will get rolling. But they'd best do it sooner than later since every game is going to be key with how tough this division is. LOL. I presume one of "Xandy" and "Bogy" should've been Kiké Hernández? Nah, in my imagination Bogy is Xandys clone.. oopsy |
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Post by cdj on Apr 22, 2022 16:09:34 GMT -5
I guess if there’s a type of pitcher you’d be ok with Shaw DHing against it would be Kluber, who has been averaging 88.6 mph on his fastball so far this season
Might be able to get that bat around on him. He looks like he’s swinging underwater against velo
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 22, 2022 16:11:27 GMT -5
To carry a discussion over from the last game thread: today’s lineup is inauspicious. And we can debate Shaw, Dalbec, etc. but I guess the question is, even if JDM is back very soon, do folks feel like this is a lineup that is going to get rolling? And if not, what to do? Casas? Trade? Accept the inevitable? I believe with a healthy JD they have 6 good hitters in story, xandy, rafi, bogy, JD, Verdugo. Jury is out on Dalbec, I'm not a big believer in JBJ but he has at least shown some life and Hernandez is showing that last year may or may not have been a career year for him. They definitely have some room to improve via an acquisition but I guess I would say overall I do think this is a lineup that will get rolling. But they'd best do it sooner than later since every game is going to be key with how tough this division is. Edit: rather than edit my big mistake of counting Xander twice ill amend it this way by saying I think they have 5 good hitters. (X,Rafi,story,Verdugo, JD). The rest of my comment is still valid though about Hernandez, JBJ, Dalbec etc. Dalbec had a higher wRC+ than Story last season. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 22, 2022 16:18:50 GMT -5
I believe with a healthy JD they have 6 good hitters in story, xandy, rafi, bogy, JD, Verdugo. Jury is out on Dalbec, I'm not a big believer in JBJ but he has at least shown some life and Hernandez is showing that last year may or may not have been a career year for him. They definitely have some room to improve via an acquisition but I guess I would say overall I do think this is a lineup that will get rolling. But they'd best do it sooner than later since every game is going to be key with how tough this division is. Edit: rather than edit my big mistake of counting Xander twice ill amend it this way by saying I think they have 5 good hitters. (X,Rafi,story,Verdugo, JD). The rest of my comment is still valid though about Hernandez, JBJ, Dalbec etc. Dalbec had a higher wRC+ than Story last season. Yeah, it’s also about 200 good AB’s vs about 2500 good AB’s, not quite willing to concede that Bobby is the better hitter. That’s pretty significant…. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 22, 2022 16:19:56 GMT -5
Dalbec had a higher wRC+ than Story last season. Yeah, it’s also about 200 good AB’s vs about 2500 good AB’s, not quite willing to concede that Bobby is the better hitter Not quite ready to concede that Story is currently a better hitter than Dalbec. That was actually 453 PAs last season, not 200. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 22, 2022 16:25:26 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s also about 200 good AB’s vs about 2500 good AB’s, not quite willing to concede that Bobby is the better hitter Not quite ready to concede that Story is currently a better hitter than Dalbec. That was actually 453 PAs last season, not 200. Yeah and he was absolutely terrible for half of those AB’s, that’s why I said 200 good ones. I can say 450 average ones but I don’t think that really does your argument any better, as Story has been demonstrably good for 3100 ABs. Bobby had a hot 2nd half. I don’t think that’s enough to wipe out a careers worth of good hitting. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 22, 2022 16:30:18 GMT -5
Not quite ready to concede that Story is currently a better hitter than Dalbec. That was actually 453 PAs last season, not 200. Yeah and he was absolutely terrible for half of those AB’s, that’s why I said 200 good ones. I can say 450 average ones but I don’t think that really does your argument any better. He had a hot 2nd half. I don’t think that’s enough to wipe out a careers worth of good hitting. Then why don't we go with his wRC+ in the good ABs? His wRC+ in August was 213 (best hitter in baseball territory with the Statcast data to back it up). Over 453 PAs, Dalbec's wRC+ was higher than Story's in 595 PAs. Dalbec hasn't had a career. He has had basically one full season and he hit better in his career than Story did last season. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 22, 2022 16:32:08 GMT -5
Yeah and he was absolutely terrible for half of those AB’s, that’s why I said 200 good ones. I can say 450 average ones but I don’t think that really does your argument any better. He had a hot 2nd half. I don’t think that’s enough to wipe out a careers worth of good hitting. Then why don't we go with his wRC+ in the good ABs? His wRC+ in August was 213. Over 453 PAs, Dalbec's wRC+ was higher than Story's in 595 PAs. Dalbec hasn't had a career. He has had basically one full season and in that season, he hit better than Story last season. Ok now do it for Story’s entire career, which is actually an established significant sample size and not just essentially half a season of good baseball… |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 22, 2022 16:34:24 GMT -5
Then why don't we go with his wRC+ in the good ABs? His wRC+ in August was 213. Over 453 PAs, Dalbec's wRC+ was higher than Story's in 595 PAs. Dalbec hasn't had a career. He has had basically one full season and in that season, he hit better than Story last season. Ok now do it for Story’s entire career, which is actually an established significant sample size and not just essentially half a season of good baseball… OK, you got me there. Story's career wRC+ is 1 whole point higher than Dalbec's. Obviously the far better hitter than the guy still developing. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 22, 2022 16:35:55 GMT -5
Ok now do it for Story’s entire career, which is actually an established significant sample size and not just essentially half a season of good baseball… OK, you got me there. Story's career wRC+ is 1 whole point higher than Dalbec's. Obviously the far better hitter than the guy still developing. And he’s actually done it over a significant sample, and not 2 months of hot baseball. This isn’t to say Dalbec won’t prove to be better in the long run, it’s just a little silly to me to act like he’s definitely the better hitter when it was 2 months of good baseball and Story has like 6-7 years of it… |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 22, 2022 16:36:57 GMT -5
OK, you got me there. Story's career wRC+ is 1 whole point higher than Dalbec's. Obviously the far better hitter than the guy still developing. And he’s actually done it over a significant sample, and not 2 months of hot baseball. All I freaking said was that I am not conceding that the guy with a career wRC+ 1 point less than Story is a worse hitter than Story. |
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Post by jimoh on Apr 22, 2022 16:38:01 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s also about 200 good AB’s vs about 2500 good AB’s, not quite willing to concede that Bobby is the better hitter Not quite ready to concede that Story is currently a better hitter than Dalbec. That was actually 453 PAs last season, not 200. Dalbec's hot streak was 110 PAs, from Aug 11 to Sep 18, 2021 BOS. Apr 2 to Aug 10, 2021 .218 .264 .391 .656 Sep 19 to Oct 3, 2021 .143 .172 .393 .565 2021 Post-season: 0 for 12, 5 ks 2022: .175 .250 .275 .525 Not a better hitter than Story. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 22, 2022 16:42:06 GMT -5
And he’s actually done it over a significant sample, and not 2 months of hot baseball. All I freaking said was that I am not conceding that the guy with a career wRC+ 1 point less than Story is a worse hitter than Story. More power to you, most people go with the bigger sample size of proven production especially considering how this is a league where pitchers make adjustments after awhile but to each his own. Maybe Dalbec puts up better numbers than Story does. He better hope he does because he’s a 1B and there’s a guy waiting to take his spot…. |
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