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Post by Addam603 on Dec 7, 2022 10:35:07 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 7, 2022 10:36:08 GMT -5
I'd be fine with this if the Martin deal didn't happen but committing that much money with the rest of the holes on the roster feels, at the very least, premature.
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Post by manfred on Dec 7, 2022 10:39:04 GMT -5
I do not like or trust Jansen… but I at least appreciate the effort going into creating a stronger bullpen. This is not a ridiculously expensive contract. Not what I would do, but… it is something.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 7, 2022 10:39:36 GMT -5
I'd be fine with this if the Martin deal didn't happen but committing that much money with the rest of the holes on the roster feels, at the very least, premature. Makes me think OF is coming via trade for cost-control (which made the most sense anyway once Hainger was off the table).
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 7, 2022 10:40:56 GMT -5
God I hate this signing.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 7, 2022 10:41:38 GMT -5
I'd be fine with this if the Martin deal didn't happen but committing that much money with the rest of the holes on the roster feels, at the very least, premature. Makes me think OF is coming via trade for cost-control (which made the most sense anyway once Hainger was off the table). Could be that, Reynolds + Senga or some comparable haul and I'd care a lot less about this signing but the reason I say premature is it feels like that's the kind of thing you figure out beforehand and then make additional bullpen moves afterwards (acknowledging that sometimes the timing on things is out of Bloom's hands, just noting what'd happen in my ideal world).
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 7, 2022 10:43:24 GMT -5
Wow, totally hate it. They weren’t kidding about the bullpen I guess.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 7, 2022 10:43:40 GMT -5
Obviously still need to see how everything plays out, but I absolutely hate the way this offseason is unfolding for the Red Sox.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 7, 2022 10:43:49 GMT -5
So assuming they did indeed have 80M to spend this offseason give or take, between Rodriguez/Martin/Jensen that's about 26M/80M on bullpen..
They needed to fortify the bullpen especially if Whitlock is penciled into the rotation which at this point I'd say is about a guarantee. Another 30ish on a SS would leave them with about 24M to fill the OF and SPs. Not going to complain about the assets being allocated to the pen right now, but I'm going to reserve the right to change my tune if they go cheap at SS/MI/OF or SP because of the money spent on the pen now.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Dec 7, 2022 10:44:04 GMT -5
At least any thoughts of using Whitlock in the pen is dead until Cora deploys the rover again in October.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 7, 2022 10:44:42 GMT -5
Meh
This feels like they have money burning a hole in their pocket and don't want to sign anyone to a 5 year deal
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Post by briam on Dec 7, 2022 10:48:21 GMT -5
I’ve been extremely critical of Bloom’s approach to the bullpen his first 3 years, wish they got Kenley last season. Glad to see he’s finally committing resources to it just wish they weren’t 2 year deals for a guys 37-38 and 35-36 year seasons. Considering what’s out there though this is about as good as it would get in FA. I’m ok with it.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 7, 2022 10:48:31 GMT -5
Per Fangraphs, Kenley hasn't put up a season worth at least $16 million since 2017 when he was 29 years old. We're now paying 2/32 for his age 35 and 36 seasons. Even given the market correction towards paying relievers more, this feels richer than he deserves. 4.3 fWAR over the last 4 full seasons (not including 2020).
With that said, I have to say that it will be nice to have a good bullpen this year.
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Post by taiwansox on Dec 7, 2022 10:48:42 GMT -5
I think I get the strategy, invest heavy on the bullpen so we have multiple pieces to sell at the deadline! Brilliant arbitrage 😂
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Post by chr31ter on Dec 7, 2022 10:49:24 GMT -5
We had 28 blown saves last year.
Jansen could be thoroughly mediocre, and he'd still be an improvement.
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Post by manfred on Dec 7, 2022 10:50:16 GMT -5
I will add to what I said above: decent potential this gets added to the Melancon, Bailey, Gagne list of bullpen nightmares.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 7, 2022 10:50:20 GMT -5
Ugh. The offseason of "ugh" continues.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 7, 2022 10:51:07 GMT -5
I don't want to hear any more bellyaching about the bullpen. They have one of the very best in baseball right now.
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Post by cdj on Dec 7, 2022 10:51:32 GMT -5
Per Fangraphs, Kenley hasn't put up a season worth at least $16 million since 2017 when he was 29 years old. We're now paying 2/32 for his age 35 and 36 seasons. Even given the market correction towards paying relievers more, this feels richer than he deserves. 4.3 fWAR over the last 4 full seasons (not including 2020). With that said, I have to say that it will be nice to have a good bullpen this year. That’s old value though, everything is inflated now Not to say I like the signing- I thought I had responded to the Kenley idea last night being like “pass” but apparently I didn’t hit send. The bullpen should be solid at least
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 7, 2022 10:52:03 GMT -5
I will add to what I said above: decent potential this gets added to the Melancon, Bailey, Gagne list of bullpen nightmares. Eh, it’s impossible it goes as bad as the first two just by nature of the fact that they didn’t trade a good cost controlled young player for them. I’m not a fan just for resource allocation purposes, because now I think they need a trade somewhere (outfield, MI or SP). But I don’t think the deal itself can be as bad as the first two there.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 7, 2022 10:52:22 GMT -5
I’ve been extremely critical of Bloom’s approach to the bullpen his first 3 years, wish they got Kenley last season. Glad to see he’s finally committing resources to it just wish they weren’t 2 year deals for a guys 37-38 and 35-36 year seasons. Considering what’s out there though this is about as good as it would get in FA. I’m ok with it. I agree, wonder why they didn't just do it last year. Would have certainly helped the bleeding early in the season when the bullpen couldn't get lined up right.
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Post by cdj on Dec 7, 2022 10:52:28 GMT -5
I will add to what I said above: decent potential this gets added to the Melancon, Bailey, Gagne list of bullpen nightmares. Didn’t have to trade for him so that makes it a little better no matter what He could absolutely suck next year tho. Relievers!
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 7, 2022 10:52:32 GMT -5
32 million? What the fuck?
I guess this means Houck is back in the rotation...
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 7, 2022 10:52:44 GMT -5
Per Fangraphs, Kenley hasn't put up a season worth at least $16 million since 2017 when he was 29 years old. We're now paying 2/32 for his age 35 and 36 seasons. Even given the market correction towards paying relievers more, this feels richer than he deserves. 4.3 fWAR over the last 4 full seasons (not including 2020). With that said, I have to say that it will be nice to have a good bullpen this year. That's using an out dated $/win though. The price has gone up, it's well over $10 mil/win now. So for $16 million they are expecting 1.6 WAR from him in 2023.
I hope I am wrong but the way this is shaping up it seems like Bloom is already planning on being a seller. Relief pitchers can get you a haul at the trade deadline if they are good. I seriously hope I'm wrong though.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 7, 2022 10:52:57 GMT -5
Ugh. The offseason of "ugh" continues. What the hell do you even want? He's literally the best and most qualified closer left on the market.
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