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Post by bluechip on Apr 23, 2013 21:48:20 GMT -5
Kevin Thomas @clearthebases
Daniel Bard just got the word in the #SeaDogs clubhouse. He's going up, to join the #RedSox
Edit: Bard is really the only guy that made sense. The team needed a seventh reliever, Hanrahan, Breslow, and Morales were not ready. Britton and De La Rosa are starters (and neither is ready). Webster just pitched. Why mess around with the 40 man roster, and lose someone, over the 7th man in the bullpen?
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 23, 2013 22:29:22 GMT -5
Aceves has an 8.51 ERA in his last 25 appearances. Yea, he's gotta be released
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Post by dmaineah on Apr 24, 2013 5:47:42 GMT -5
It's time to let Aceves go. I already sick of him. He's not worth pitcher to keep around the team roster. We have better pitchers to replace him. Also, send Andrew Miller down for his mechanic work. Show your guts, Ben about the pitcher roster movements. Miller can't be sent down, he's out of options
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 6:49:49 GMT -5
They can "fake an injury" with Miller so he can get some time in AAA.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 24, 2013 7:57:34 GMT -5
I feel bad for Steven Wright. The guy sits around for a week waiting to make his debut (he has not pitched in two weeks) and then he is forced to pitch in that game. I am guessing that Hoyt Wilhelm's knuckle ball would have stunk in that wind and rain. I would like to see him given another chance to show what he can do in more favorable conditions.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 24, 2013 8:21:10 GMT -5
They can "fake an injury" with Miller so he can get some time in AAA. Yeah, you really can't do that unless Miller's good with it. Even then, it'd be a little dicey. Guys can sometimes go along with a "strained calf" if it gives them a break, but I doubt it'd be ok with Miller to do that with the express purpose of stashing him in the AAA for a while on rehab ...
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Post by elguapo on Apr 24, 2013 9:13:37 GMT -5
I feel bad for Steven Wright. The guy sits around for a week waiting to make his debut (he has not pitched in two weeks) and then he is forced to pitch in that game. And he just got to AAA and is not ready for the majors regardless.
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Post by elguapo on Apr 24, 2013 9:16:45 GMT -5
After last night's game, how do you explain to the wife that baseball really doesn't have a mercy rule?
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Post by MLBDreams on Apr 24, 2013 10:59:06 GMT -5
I'm still not too thrilling that Aceves will be pitching again this Sunday which I have tickets for the game. Bad Luck. He's better not excuse for not ability to shut down the worst team (Houston) in AL.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 24, 2013 11:02:17 GMT -5
I'm still not too thrilling that Aceves will be pitching again this Sunday which I have tickets for the game. Bad Luck. He's better not excuse for not ability to shut down the worst team (Houston) in AL. I think you're in luck; I'm hearing Lackey's starting that game. They thought he needed one more rehab start against a AAA team, so they chose the Astros. <rimshot!>
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Post by bluechip on Apr 24, 2013 11:31:50 GMT -5
I feel bad for Steven Wright. The guy sits around for a week waiting to make his debut (he has not pitched in two weeks) and then he is forced to pitch in that game. And he just got to AAA and is not ready for the majors regardless. Maybe, maybe not. You really cannot make much of a judgment from last night. He has not really ever been my first choice for a rotation spot, but he should still be considered down the line if the need presents itself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 11:42:06 GMT -5
I'm still not too thrilling that Aceves will be pitching again this Sunday which I have tickets for the game. Bad Luck. He's better not excuse for not ability to shut down the worst team (Houston) in AL. I went to a game last year in late June against the Braves in which Buchholz was supposed to pitch. That month, Buch had an ERA of like 1.50. I will thrilled that I was going to see Buch pitch during a great a hot steak. Unfortunately, he went down with the stomach problem and Aaron Cook was scheduled to pitch. I was very disappointed when I heard this. Thankfully, they still won.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 24, 2013 12:05:41 GMT -5
I'm still not too thrilling that Aceves will be pitching again this Sunday which I have tickets for the game. Bad Luck. He's better not excuse for not ability to shut down the worst team (Houston) in AL. I went to a game last year in late June against the Braves in which Buchholz was supposed to pitch. That month, Buch had an ERA of like 1.50. I will thrilled that I was going to see Buch pitch during a great a hot steak. Unfortunately, he went down with the stomach problem and Aaron Cook was scheduled to pitch. I was very disappointed when I heard this. Thankfully, they still won. Not really the same thing, but.... Some friends and I had the choice of going to a game on either August 31, 2007 or September 1, 2007. We of course attended Julian Taveraz loss on the 31st. The next night, Clay Buchholz pitched a no hitter.
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 24, 2013 12:44:46 GMT -5
I'm still not too thrilling that Aceves will be pitching again this Sunday which I have tickets for the game. Bad Luck. He's better not excuse for not ability to shut down the worst team (Houston) in AL. I'm fairly confident you will see either Lackey off the DL or Webster again from Pawtucket. Webster is scheduled to pitch Sat, but Farrell said both he and Aceves would be candidates if Lackey isn't ready to come off the DL by then
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Post by elguapo on Apr 24, 2013 13:00:33 GMT -5
And he just got to AAA and is not ready for the majors regardless. Maybe, maybe not. You really cannot make much of a judgment from last night. He has not really ever been my first choice for a rotation spot, but he should still be considered down the line if the need presents itself. Let's put it this way - before last night I would not have considered Wright ready for the majors. He had 4 starts in AAA last year and 2 this year - with fairly good results, but still - "down the line", i.e. another 10-15 starts to establish consistency at the higher level, I'd have much more confidence in giving him a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 13:24:28 GMT -5
That might be true for a usual prospect, but Steven Wright as a knuckleballer isn't a usual prospect.
A knuckleballer doesn't have to learn how to mix pitches, or how to attack hitters which are things usually reserved in the high minors. He doesn't have to learn how to command his secondary stuff either because he doesn't have any. You either throw it well or you don't. Knucleballers can come to the majors and be lights out, or they can be awful so I don't have a problem with throwing him in the majors because you need a body. 10-15 starts might help a conventional pitcher, but it's unlikely that he's going to learn to command the pitch better in that short amount of time frame.
There also would be less variance between their major league and minor league performance. No one can hit a good knuckler consistently and everyone can hit a bad one.
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Post by sammo420 on Apr 24, 2013 13:29:40 GMT -5
So mildly off topic here but I have to bring it up. Does the site auto spell check things now? I know the iphone does and annoys the hell out of people and that's where the Inglesias guy who plays shortstop comes from. Thanks for whoever pointed that out as the cause because I saw more than one person do that and it drove me nuts until I found out its origins. I ask because it seems like there have been spelling errors made recently (say, since the upgrade) that weren't made before. I don't remember what but somebody quoted me and there was a mistake in it and it was one I don't remember making before.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 14:16:22 GMT -5
I went to a game last year in late June against the Braves in which Buchholz was supposed to pitch. That month, Buch had an ERA of like 1.50. I will thrilled that I was going to see Buch pitch during a great a hot steak. Unfortunately, he went down with the stomach problem and Aaron Cook was scheduled to pitch. I was very disappointed when I heard this. Thankfully, they still won. Not really the same thing, but.... Some friends and I had the choice of going to a game on either August 31, 2007 or September 1, 2007. We of course attended Julian Taveraz loss on the 31st. The next night, Clay Buchholz pitched a no hitter. Ouch. That's unfortunate. I remember watching Buchholz's no hitter. It was a great game. The crowd went crazy that night.
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 24, 2013 15:00:35 GMT -5
I am convinced the only reason why they keep pushing Aceves is to try to build that trade value. He is one of the last players that I blame for the lousy attitude on that team. I also felt Lackey was but it looks like he is trying. But again if he gets healthy and the Sox fade away late in the year maybe he will be trade bait also.
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 24, 2013 15:11:56 GMT -5
Well Aceves has done anything but "build that trade value"
He has given up 1/4 of the runs the team has given up this year. That says it all. The fact that he wasn't DFA'd yet is laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 15:12:54 GMT -5
Or a more logical explanation. He's one of the few relievers who can go multiple innings and there aren't a lot of guys like that in the system or in baseball in general. You give him away for nothing now you cut into your pitching depth and before you know it, I'M on the mound. Trust me, you'd rather have Aceves.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 24, 2013 15:13:48 GMT -5
Not really the same thing, but.... Some friends and I had the choice of going to a game on either August 31, 2007 or September 1, 2007. We of course attended Julian Taveraz loss on the 31st. The next night, Clay Buchholz pitched a no hitter. Ouch. That's unfortunate. I remember watching Buchholz's no hitter. It was a great game. The crowd went crazy that night. I was at that game. The crowd did not watt to leave after it was over. Got a photo after of Buchholz throwing that last pitch with the line score behind him on the scoreboard from the AP and framed it with the tix. Great memory.
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Post by jmei on Apr 24, 2013 15:33:01 GMT -5
Or a more logical explanation. He's one of the few relievers who can go multiple innings and there aren't a lot of guys like that in the system or in baseball in general. You give him away for nothing now you cut into your pitching depth and before you know it, I'M on the mound. Trust me, you'd rather have Aceves. This. Think about how much worse this team would have been without Aceves over the first few weeks of the season. If it wasn't for Aceves, we'd have had to rush Webster or Wright into the major league rotation just a week into the season. Aceves did give the team two solid starts before the blowup in his latest start, so it's not like he was a Gagne-esque total disaster. If there's one thing this early season has taught us, it should be the importance of bullpen depth. I remember posters being confused about the signing of Uehara and the trade for Hanrahan, why the team kept Aceves and Mortensen, suggesting that Bailey should be traded in Spring Training, debating whether the bullpen could carry three lefties, etc. Just a few weeks into the season, the Red Sox are just about stretched to their limit in terms of relief depth, at least until the injured begin to return, and they would have had to resort to desperate measures (Chris Hernandez? Chris Martin? Chris Carpenter?) had they chose to thin that depth.
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Post by danr on Apr 24, 2013 15:51:36 GMT -5
Aceves is not the team's biggest issue right now. If Lackey isn't back for his next start, Webster almost certainly will start, and that probably will be the end of Aceves. I can't see any of the other RPs being cut right now. It will be more interesting when Hanrahan is ready.
The Sox need more hitting, particularly power-hitting. Having three regulars not hitting at all, and a most of the others below normal, puts a lot of pressure on the pitching. Fortunately, until last night, the pitching has been pretty sensational. That probably won't last. Buchholz is not going to have an ERA below 1. So, if the hitting doesn't improve, the W-L is going to even out.
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Post by huskies15 on Apr 24, 2013 15:55:20 GMT -5
If anyone is watching the game today it seems to be one of those days where Lester is grinding at 60 pitches and not done with 3 innings...
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