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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 6, 2013 14:14:09 GMT -5
Best $1 we've ever spent. Another fake story that bugs me. It was (I think) $1,000. The "$1" was if he wasn't picked up, because they needed to have a dollar amount on paper or something.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 6, 2013 14:22:53 GMT -5
Obviously it was just a joke. That we ended up paying an additional $1,499 is not the funny part about the story, however, that we did in fact spend just $1.00 on Nava at one point is hilarious. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Nava
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Post by izzy on Jun 6, 2013 15:39:43 GMT -5
I was playing around with an XBABIP excel product (the expected batting average on balls in play given a current hitters line drive rate, ground ball rate, etc.)and found something interesting. Despite Nava currently having a .326 BABIP, his XBABIP is actually 16 points higher. He hits a lot of line drives and not a lot of in field fly outs. I don't think it's crazy to think he can keep hitting at this pace.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 6, 2013 19:47:34 GMT -5
I was playing around with an XBABIP excel product (the expected batting average on balls in play given a current hitters line drive rate, ground ball rate, etc.)and found something interesting. Despite Nava currently having a .326 BABIP, his XBABIP is actually 16 points higher. He hits a lot of line drives and not a lot of in field fly outs. I don't think it's crazy to think he can keep hitting at this pace. Well, now that Nava is being discussed as a viable all-star candidate without any laughter, is it getting closer to time to list him as a starter rather than a reserve on the 2014 projected rosters?
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Post by knuckledown on Jul 2, 2013 7:20:22 GMT -5
I am an admitted Nava cheerleader. Somebody convince me why he isn't opening next year as the Sox starting left fielder.
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Post by awall on Jul 2, 2013 8:29:07 GMT -5
85 votes for Nava today
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 2, 2013 8:52:53 GMT -5
I am an admitted Nava cheerleader. Somebody convince me why he isn't opening next year as the Sox starting left fielder. Well first of all let me start by saying...err..umm..I got nothing. Seriously unless he has a Josh Reddick type second half why not give him the keys to LF for a year??? One thing I've noticed about Nava over the last couple years (correct me if I'm wrong here) is that even when his production hasn't been as good he has always put together solid at bats. Nava works counts, draws walks etc etc etc. To be honest......I'm done betting against Nava. I know the argument against him and I'm sure I could make it if I want to but I'm just done betting against this kid. He is the perfect example that you can't project and scout every player with 100% certainty, and some guys are just able to discreetly move up that ladder and push the parameters of their talent. Maybe....just Maybe Nava isn't only that guy but maybe he can be the guy we are seeing now for another season or two.
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Post by jchang on Jul 2, 2013 9:15:03 GMT -5
I recall a story about Kurt Rambis (also Santa Clara U?) when he first made the Lakers starting lineup. Pat Riley noticed Rambis circling in his vicinity for several days. Kurt was slow to appreciate that as a starter, he could speak with the coach.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2013 9:17:14 GMT -5
It's obvious that Nava has earned the keys to left for now and gets an opportunity to work out of an extended slump for the time being - if that extended slump comes.
No need to hand him the keys to anything for next year right now. You mentioned Reddick, god example. Lets see Danny do it for a full year. Doesn't mean you are betting against him, it's just wanting to see a guy do what he's never done before. And no decisions need to be made.
There are scenarios that could push him to be a 4th OF next year such as:
Jacoby accepts the Sox one year tender to try and score a bigger contract. Bradley finishes the year strong and ha another good spring, ultimately making the OF Bradley (LF), Ellsbury (cf) and Victorino (rf) with Nava, Carp and Gomes possibly on the bench. Lots can happen, but Bradley will be given a real shot next year and Ells could be back.
Nava could also have a bad couple months.
Patience.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 2, 2013 9:33:29 GMT -5
It's obvious that Nava has earned the keys to left for now and gets an opportunity to work out of an extended slump for the time being. .332 wOBA, 105 wRC+, 27% LD% for June. He had, what, a six game slump? If that's as bad as he gets, ink him into LF for the next 5 years.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2013 9:36:10 GMT -5
It's obvious that Nava has earned the keys to left for now and gets an opportunity to work out of an extended slump for the time being. .332 wOBA, 105 wRC+, 27% LD% for June. He had, what, a six game slump? If that's as bad as he gets, ink him into LF for the next 5 years. That was not in reference to him being in a slump. It was saying if he gets into an extended slump he has earned the opportunity to work through it
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2013 9:37:07 GMT -5
Fixed it
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Post by elguapo on Jul 2, 2013 9:41:56 GMT -5
Nava put up ~ similar numbers in 2012 before getting & playing hurt.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 2, 2013 9:42:32 GMT -5
Nava is slightly injury prone, and while he plays through them, they have often affected his production. I still say hand him the keys, and have a good backup plan, like Xander Bogaerts.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 2, 2013 9:53:00 GMT -5
I can agree that Nava still might be an afterthought as a starter if Ellsbury were to accept a qualifying offer and JBJ was perceived as a better option as a starter; I have thought about that scenario myself. However even in that capacity I still think Nava is in line for decent amount of playing time as a super utility player (LF/RF/1B). Nava has definitely earned a place on this team, in some capacity at the very least. The fact that we are even having this conversation is huge for validating what Nava has accomplished when you consider his story....which I absolutely love.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 2, 2013 9:59:40 GMT -5
Nava could really be a primary 1B option next year. His OBP balances out the lower SLG, and he's flashed some surprising power this year. If Napoli leaves, you could end up with Carp-Nava-Gomes as the LF-1B, and occasional RF. I'm not huge on platoons, but I think there are very few players on the team who couldn't use a day off often enough to spread out the PT, including Iggy/MBrooks and Victorino. JBJ has some injury history too.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 2, 2013 10:00:57 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to hand him any keys. He's still got a .648 ops against left handers (which I would attribute to luck but it is completely in line with his career splits), and is under control for a few more years. Let him continue to be a great platoon option both in left and at first until he forces the teams hand to be played every day. He's shown improvement all along the way, so if he does improve as a right handed hitter that'd be great, but at 30 I wouldn't bank on it.
I'm not trying to be a downer on Nava, I love the guy and what he's done, but the role he's in now is the one in which he'll have the most success.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 2, 2013 13:30:41 GMT -5
Nava could really be a primary 1B option next year. I've been tossing this around in my mind as well. A lot depends on what happens with Ellsbury and Napoli. If neither accept the QO or resign, then I think it all depends on what FA we sign for LF/1B. I think if he's healthy, he will put up at least average 1b numbers. Good problem to have.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 3, 2013 8:04:48 GMT -5
Nava's still being played as a platoon player. He's started 70 games. 55 of the 58 games against RHSP, and 15 of the 27 against LHSP.
Intuition tells me he's getting more chances against LHP lately, but his numbers are still pretty poor against them. At this point, the sample size is good enough that we can say he's a very good hitter against RHP, capable of starting, but that he's a far inferior hitter against LHP who may need a platoon partner, or at the very least should be dropped in the order against them.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 3, 2013 9:09:40 GMT -5
He's a good asset for the team and he's earned that. I really wish he and Carp didn't hit from the same side of the plate, but they do. Carp is younger so if a decision needs to be made amongst the two, it would be interesting o see which way the team went in 2014.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 3, 2013 9:37:56 GMT -5
A straight Nava/Gomes platoon should be the LF for the forseeable future. Do a semi-platoon with Napoli and Carp at 1st. Napoli needs to sit more than he is, he is proving why the Angels and the Rangers thought he was a 75% of games player instead of an everyday player.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 3, 2013 10:50:25 GMT -5
A straight Nava/Gomes platoon should be the LF for the forseeable future. Do a semi-platoon with Napoli and Carp at 1st. Napoli needs to sit more than he is, he is proving why the Angels and the Rangers thought he was a 75% of games player instead of an everyday player. Considering he was a full-time catcher during his time with the Angels (except 70 games at 1b in 2010), I don't know why he would play more than 75% of the games with them. He also played more games at catcher then 1b with the Rangers in 2011 (when he was one of the best hitters in baseball), and 2012. I'm trying to see your point about the 75%, but I can't see it. Are starting catchers supposed to play 95% of the games?
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Post by okin15 on Jul 3, 2013 12:12:59 GMT -5
A straight Nava/Gomes platoon should be the LF for the forseeable future. Do a semi-platoon with Napoli and Carp at 1st. Napoli needs to sit more than he is, he is proving why the Angels and the Rangers thought he was a 75% of games player instead of an everyday player. Considering he was a full-time catcher during his time with the Angels (except 70 games at 1b in 2010), I don't know why he would play more than 75% of the games with them. He also played more games at catcher then 1b with the Rangers in 2011 (when he was one of the best hitters in baseball), and 2012. I'm trying to see your point about the 75%, but I can't see it. Are starting catchers supposed to play 95% of the games? I think the Angels and Rangers "saw" him that way not just in how they played him, but also in how much they were willing to pay him this off-season. He's a big dude, and because he was a catcher, he's never played every day, so he may not be ready to do that now that he's moved off the position either. I agree that Carp needs to be getting some of those AB's from him (though not a straight platoon)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 16:11:41 GMT -5
Since June 1st. .291/.343/.392 (adjusted for removal of HBP). 11 walks 27 strikeouts. Has walked twice during the month of July. No homeruns since June 18th, and 4 XBH total in July. Barely ever hits the ball hard....at least in the games I've seen.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 25, 2013 16:27:27 GMT -5
Those aren't really terrible numbers at all. Not far at all from his career .262/.361/.399. Also, the biggest explanation for why he only has 4 XBH in July is that he only has 58 at bats.
He, not Gomes, should be the regular LF against RHP.
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