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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 15, 2023 13:51:46 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 15, 2023 14:27:48 GMT -5
What are the expectations around Mata? Do people really think he’s going to be on the opening day roster? Is he talented enough for that to make sense?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 15, 2023 17:14:46 GMT -5
He's talented enough to bring him into camp and give him a shot, sure.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 15, 2023 17:18:19 GMT -5
He's talented enough to bring him into camp and give him a shot, sure. They have a pretty full bullpen though, if they add a like legit MLB guy and don't send anyone else out it's hard to see a ton of room for him. I guess you keep him until camp for when somebody inevitably gets hurt, but I have a hard time seeing an ideal world where he breaks spring training with the team. Unless Breslow/Bailey work some magic I suppose.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 15, 2023 17:32:44 GMT -5
I mean, there are so many moving parts with the pitching staff, who knows how it's going to shake out? But you've got a good arm in Mata, I'm not cutting him loose until I know there's no room.
1 FA SP 1 2 FA SP 2 3 Bello 4 Sale 5 Houck 6 Pivetta 7 Crawford 8 Jansen 9 Martin 10 Winckowski 11 Schreiber 12 Bernardino 13 Whitlock
That's probably your ideal 13-man staff, but how likely is it that all are healthy? Mata is the next guy up probably, unless someone like Murphy looks filthy in camp. But I'm optioning him to give Mata a shot.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 15, 2023 19:39:51 GMT -5
I don't see a scenario where Bernardino is the only lefty - makes it a bit tougher for those who think they'll have 2 new starters.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 15, 2023 19:45:39 GMT -5
I mean, there are so many moving parts with the pitching staff, who knows how it's going to shake out? But you've got a good arm in Mata, I'm not cutting him loose until I know there's no room. 1 FA SP 1 2 FA SP 2 3 Bello 4 Sale 5 Houck 6 Pivetta 7 Crawford 8 Jansen 9 Martin 10 Winckowski 11 Schreiber 12 Bernardino 13 Whitlock That's probably your ideal 13-man staff, but how likely is it that all are healthy? Mata is the next guy up probably, unless someone like Murphy looks filthy in camp. But I'm optioning him to give Mata a shot. Yeah it's definitely too early to know for sure, but wouldn't be surprised if they bring in another Joely Rodriguez type reliever. And Murphy was pretty good last year, I wouldn't hate him on the roster, but also don't mind leaving him optioned in AAA. Most likely injuries resolve this sort of thing though.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 16, 2023 0:53:48 GMT -5
I don't see a scenario where Bernardino is the only lefty - makes it a bit tougher for those who think they'll have 2 new starters. I also won't be betting a paycheck that they sign two FA SPs...
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Post by soxaddict on Nov 16, 2023 1:20:57 GMT -5
I don't see a scenario where Bernardino is the only lefty - makes it a bit tougher for those who think they'll have 2 new starters. I also won't be betting a paycheck that they sign two FA SPs... I think two from the group of Yamamoto, Snell, Monty, Gray, or Nola would be unlikely. I do think one from that group and maybe Michael Wacha is possible. Plus, a lefty reliever like Matt Moore. Hypothetically, a staff of: Yamamoto, Nola, Monty, Snell, or Gray Bello Sale Wacha Crawford Houck Pivetta Whitlock Jansen Martin Moore Winckowski Bernadino Schreiber Mata Murphy Would then allow them to possibly move one of Crawford, Houck or Whitlock for a 2B or RH OF.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 16, 2023 1:58:54 GMT -5
I also won't be betting a paycheck that they sign two FA SPs... I think two from the group of Yamamoto, Snell, Monty, Gray, or Nola would be unlikely. I do think one from that group and maybe Michael Wacha is possible. Plus, a lefty reliever like Matt Moore. Hypothetically, a staff of: Yamamoto, Nola, Monty, Snell, or Gray Bello Sale Wacha Crawford Houck Pivetta Whitlock Jansen Martin Moore Winckowski Bernadino Schreiber Mata Murphy Would then allow them to possibly move one of Crawford, Houck or Whitlock for a 2B or RH OF. Agree that we may see some 2023 pitchers moved for either prospects or in parts of deals to upgrade the position player side. I would lean toward moving Whit and/or Winck, who I think have lower ceilings than Crawford and Houck. My nightmare is trading Houck and then he learns to get LHH out and wins the CY. Re: Mata making the club, Winck, Whitlock, Crawford, Bello, Houck, Bernardino all still have options remaining. Could a poor spring showing by one of them and a lights-out showing by Mata give Bryan a shot at going north(west) with the big club and getting a 1-2 month trial vs. real big-league lineups? If they do load up on FA SPs, maybe they prefer to keep Crawford, Bello, or Houck stretched out in Worcester. Ultimately, as others have mentioned, Mata is probably going to need a hot spring plus an injury or two among his staff mates in order to get the call.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 9, 2023 11:15:53 GMT -5
Time to look at the 40 man, which now stands at 38 -
existing rostered players that I could see being on the move - McGuire, Kelly, Hamilton, Jacques, Llovera, Weiss.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 9, 2023 11:26:26 GMT -5
They probably only need one more cut to cover future major league acquisitions
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 9, 2023 11:29:26 GMT -5
Time to look at the 40 man, which now stands at 38 - existing rostered players that I could see being on the move - McGuire, Kelly, Hamilton, Jacques, Llovera, Weiss. McGuire's spot is kind of irrelevant because they only move him if they replace him with another MLB catcher.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Dec 9, 2023 11:43:01 GMT -5
Andrew Bailey singled out Llovera as someone he liked working with , I can see them keeping him and see what Bailey can do with him
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 9, 2023 12:01:57 GMT -5
Time to look at the 40 man, which now stands at 38 - existing rostered players that I could see being on the move - McGuire, Kelly, Hamilton, Jacques, Llovera, Weiss. I think McGuire is going to be replaced by Maldonado.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 9, 2023 12:45:07 GMT -5
Andrew Bailey singled out Llovera as someone he liked working with , I can see them keeping him and see what Bailey can do with him The thing is, he's out of options just like Mata. Might keep him around until the spring but he needs to make the team.
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Post by dcb26 on Dec 9, 2023 15:11:36 GMT -5
Andrew Bailey singled out Llovera as someone he liked working with , I can see them keeping him and see what Bailey can do with him The thing is, he's out of options just like Mata. Might keep him around until the spring but he needs to make the team. I found Llovera super-intriguing last year. I think he's at the top of my "guys who probably project to 0.0 WAR that I really hope they keep around" list
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 2, 2024 14:06:28 GMT -5
Red Sox claimed Max Castillo off waivers from the Royals. Their 40-man roster is full for the moment.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Jan 2, 2024 14:12:49 GMT -5
Castillo seems interesting , must be a trade coming to make a spot for giolito
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 2, 2024 14:20:53 GMT -5
He came to the Royals in the Whit Merrifield trade but did not have a lot of success with them. The pitch modeling kinda liked him in the majors this year despite really bad results. Might be time to see what he looks like as a single inning reliever.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 2, 2024 14:51:22 GMT -5
Castillo seems interesting , must be a trade coming to make a spot for giolito Anyone have any idea what the rules are in the off-season if you have a new acquisition and how soon you need to add them to the 40 man? Knowing this would obviously give us an idea of how soon a trade should happen.
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Post by cdj on Jan 2, 2024 14:52:07 GMT -5
That is a very good change up
He has an option year left so I see him as Worcester rotation depth. Who knows though, maybe they go 1 inning reliever to see what he’s got maxed out
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 2, 2024 14:55:25 GMT -5
Castillo seems interesting , must be a trade coming to make a spot for giolito Anyone have any idea what the rules are in the off-season if you have a new acquisition and how soon you need to add them to the 40 man? Knowing this would obviously give us an idea of how soon a trade should happen. It's not an acquisition until the player signs and is added to the 40-man roster. So until that happens Giolito is a free agent. Also, while a trade is possible, there are still a few guys they could DFA when they officially sign Giolito (Weiss or Jacques seem like the next guys up).
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jan 2, 2024 14:57:25 GMT -5
Anyone have any idea what the rules are in the off-season if you have a new acquisition and how soon you need to add them to the 40 man? Knowing this would obviously give us an idea of how soon a trade should happen. It's not an acquisition until the player signs and is added to the 40-man roster. So until that happens Giolito is a free agent. Also, while a trade is possible, there are still a few guys they could DFA when they officially sign Giolito (Weiss or Jacques seem like the next guys up). Copy, thanks! Though Weiss & Jacques make sense, I wouldn’t mind if Llovera got the boot.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Jan 2, 2024 15:23:41 GMT -5
Llovera is sticking around cuz Bailey likes him , I’m going Weiss
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