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Post by nonothing on Oct 3, 2023 10:54:50 GMT -5
Surprised this isn't up yet, but happy to start off with a post of the end of season names only:
Current 40 Man + IL add backs (courtesy of Baseball Reference):
Pitchers: 26 Joely Rodríguez 31 L L Zack Kelly 28 R R Tanner Houck 27 R R Nick Robertson 24 R R Nick Pivetta 30 R R Mauricio Llovera 27 R R Logan Gillaspie 26 R R Kutter Crawford 27 R R Kenley Jansen 35 S R Justin Garza 29 R R Josh Winckowski 25 R R John Schreiber 29 R R Joe Jacques 28 L L James Paxton 34 L L Garrett Whitlock 27 R R Brandon Walter 26 L L Zack Weiss 31 R R Brayan Bello 24 R R Brennan Bernardino 31 L L Bryan Mata 24 R R Chris Martin 37 R R Chris Sale 34 L L Chris Murphy 25 L L Corey Kluber 37 R R Kaleb Ort 31 R R Wyatt Mills 28 R R
Position Players: 19 Alex Verdugo 27 L L David Hamilton 25 L R Wilyer Abreu 24 L L Triston Casas 23 L R Trevor Story 30 R R Rob Refsnyder 32 R R Reese McGuire 28 L R Rafael Devers 26 L R Pablo Reyes 29 R R Adam Duvall 34 R R Bobby Dalbec 28 R R Masataka Yoshida 29 L R Enmanuel Valdez 24 L R Connor Wong 27 R R Justin Turner 38 R R Ceddanne Rafaela 22 R R Luis Urías 26 R R Adalberto Mondesí 27 S R Jarren Duran 26 L R
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 3, 2023 11:09:40 GMT -5
Surprised this isn't up yet, but happy to start off with a post of the end of season names only: Current 40 Man + IL add backs (courtesy of Baseball Reference): Pitchers: 26 Joely Rodríguez 31 L L Zack Kelly 28 R R Tanner Houck 27 R R Nick Robertson 24 R R Nick Pivetta 30 R R Mauricio Llovera 27 R R Logan Gillaspie 26 R R Kutter Crawford 27 R R Kenley Jansen 35 S R Justin Garza 29 R R Josh Winckowski 25 R R John Schreiber 29 R R Joe Jacques 28 L L James Paxton 34 L L Garrett Whitlock 27 R R Brandon Walter 26 L L Zack Weiss 31 R R Brayan Bello 24 R R Brennan Bernardino 31 L L Bryan Mata 24 R R Chris Martin 37 R R Chris Sale 34 L L Chris Murphy 25 L L Corey Kluber 37 R R Kaleb Ort 31 R R Wyatt Mills 28 R R Position Players: 19 Alex Verdugo 27 L L David Hamilton 25 L R Wilyer Abreu 24 L L Triston Casas 23 L R Trevor Story 30 R R Rob Refsnyder 32 R R Reese McGuire 28 L R Rafael Devers 26 L R Pablo Reyes 29 R R Adam Duvall 34 R R Bobby Dalbec 28 R R Masataka Yoshida 29 L R Enmanuel Valdez 24 L R Connor Wong 27 R R Justin Turner 38 R R Ceddanne Rafaela 22 R R Luis Urías 26 R R Adalberto Mondesí 27 S R Jarren Duran 26 L R This would be good as a new topic - 2024 40 man roster
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Post by nonothing on Oct 3, 2023 11:24:04 GMT -5
Position Players: 19
Expect to be off roster due to FA (-2):
Adam Duvall 34 R R Adalberto Mondesí 27 S R
I expect to see us release/non-tender (-2):
David Hamilton 25 L R Luis Urías 26 R R (maybe sign after R5 to lesser deal with need to add by x date, but I think he gets non-tendered prior to that)
Player option decision could see JT go, but I am guessing they work something out with him, so I am leaving him on for now.
This would leave 15 position players on roster:
Connor Wong 27 R R Reese McGuire 28 L R
Triston Casas 23 L R Rafael Devers 26 L R Justin Turner 38 R R Bobby Dalbec 28 R R
Trevor Story 30 R R Pablo Reyes 29 R R Enmanuel Valdez 24 L R
Jarren Duran 26 L R Masataka Yoshida 29 L R Alex Verdugo 27 L L Rob Refsnyder 32 R R Wilyer Abreu 24 L L Ceddanne Rafaela 22 R R
I think it is possible they trade net 1 OF from here, and they could also let Dalbec go (or lose JT), so they could be sitting as low as 13 before adds.
I think they will only end up adding Brainer Bonaci to the position player group, which would get them to 14-16 before the Rule 5 draft.
I will opine on pitchers separately, even though they are linked. But I do expect no more than 16 position players on Roster at time of Rule 5 selections due to need to address pitching.
Curious to hear thoughts of others.
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Post by nonothing on Oct 3, 2023 11:24:53 GMT -5
Surprised this isn't up yet, but happy to start off with a post of the end of season names only: Current 40 Man + IL add backs (courtesy of Baseball Reference): Pitchers: 26 Joely Rodríguez 31 L L Zack Kelly 28 R R Tanner Houck 27 R R Nick Robertson 24 R R Nick Pivetta 30 R R Mauricio Llovera 27 R R Logan Gillaspie 26 R R Kutter Crawford 27 R R Kenley Jansen 35 S R Justin Garza 29 R R Josh Winckowski 25 R R John Schreiber 29 R R Joe Jacques 28 L L James Paxton 34 L L Garrett Whitlock 27 R R Brandon Walter 26 L L Zack Weiss 31 R R Brayan Bello 24 R R Brennan Bernardino 31 L L Bryan Mata 24 R R Chris Martin 37 R R Chris Sale 34 L L Chris Murphy 25 L L Corey Kluber 37 R R Kaleb Ort 31 R R Wyatt Mills 28 R R Position Players: 19 Alex Verdugo 27 L L David Hamilton 25 L R Wilyer Abreu 24 L L Triston Casas 23 L R Trevor Story 30 R R Rob Refsnyder 32 R R Reese McGuire 28 L R Rafael Devers 26 L R Pablo Reyes 29 R R Adam Duvall 34 R R Bobby Dalbec 28 R R Masataka Yoshida 29 L R Enmanuel Valdez 24 L R Connor Wong 27 R R Justin Turner 38 R R Ceddanne Rafaela 22 R R Luis Urías 26 R R Adalberto Mondesí 27 S R Jarren Duran 26 L R This would be good as a new topic - 2024 40 man roster Mods moved it here. Wherever they think makes sense to me, but it is about moves ahead of Rule 5 draft moreso than 2024 final roster.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 3, 2023 11:50:53 GMT -5
I think David Hamilton is comfortably ahead of the DFA cut line. You can look at Hoy Park last year as a good illustration of exactly where that line is. He got DFA'ed twice, but someone traded to cut the line and nab him each time.
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Post by scottysmalls on Oct 3, 2023 12:17:50 GMT -5
Thinking from the current position player group Dalbec, Duvall, Turner and Mondesi get removed (though I still think Duvall might get a QO) and one of the OFs gets traded. Bonaci added.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 3, 2023 12:31:45 GMT -5
I can't see 29 yo Justin Garza (1.85 Whip, 7.36 ERA) not getting removed
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 3, 2023 13:15:20 GMT -5
I can see pretty massive change happening. (I'd actually love to see really massive changes, to tell the truth).
Players I can see gone are Joely R, Zack Kelly, LLovera, Gillaspie, Jansen, Garza, Jacques, Paxton, Weiss, Kluber, Ort and Mills. Will Martin want to stay? So of the 26 pitchers listed below, sayonara to 12 at least. Position players - fare thee well to Verdugo, McGuire, Refsnyder, Mondesi, Urias, Turner (I don't think he will want to be back), Dalbec, Duvall, Reyes. So, of the 19 position players, this means 9 go.
This is extreme I know, but the last two years were a wallow and a slog through mediocrity that I am bullish to eliminate. I fully expect some on my goodbye list will be retained.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 3, 2023 13:35:41 GMT -5
I can see pretty massive change happening. (I'd actually love to see really massive changes, to tell the truth). Players I can see gone are Joely R, Zack Kelly, LLovera, Gillaspie, Jansen, Garza, Jacques, Paxton, Weiss, Kluber, Ort and Mills. Will Martin want to stay? So of the 26 pitchers listed below, sayonara to 12 at least. Position players - fare thee well to Verdugo, McGuire, Refsnyder, Mondesi, Urias, Turner (I don't think he will want to be back), Dalbec, Duvall, Reyes. So, of the 19 position players, this means 9 go. This is extreme I know, but the last two years were a wallow and a slog through mediocrity that I am bullish to eliminate. I fully expect some on my goodbye list will be retained. This list makes it seems like you're just sort of offended by the concept of role players. It's hard to imagine, at any rate, what sort of upgrade you think you can make on guys like McGuire, Urias, and Reyes, given the FA options. Or Verdugo for that matter. I'd say the same of Refsnyder, though with the young outfielders coming up maybe you could make the case for replacing him in-house.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 3, 2023 13:43:18 GMT -5
40-man is currently full, plus 5 on the 60-day IL. Duvall, Mondesi, and Paxton become free agents. Kluber's option isn't getting picked up. Joely Rodriguez's probably isn't either at that price. Turner likely opting out. So call it 39.
Bubble Players: Dalbec, Mata (OOO), Llovara (OOO), Weiss, Gillaspie, Urias (non-tender candidate)
Fringy relievers: Ort, Kelly, Mills, Garza, Jacques
Near-certain Rule 5 protects: Drohan, Wikelman, Perales
Possible Rule 5 protects: Bastardo, Bonaci, Castro, Cepeda (maybe group below...), Fernandez, Gambrell
Unlikely Rule 5 protects but not impossible: Hagenman, Paulino, Penrod, Scott, Zeferjahn (maybe group below?)
(Not really relevant here but no chance protected, non-zero (.0001% counts) chance of selection: Liu, Politi, Jose Ramirez, Song, Van Belle)
So say they protect the three plus one or two from the next group, that alone means you need to clear 3-4 spots.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 3, 2023 14:01:43 GMT -5
I can see pretty massive change happening. (I'd actually love to see really massive changes, to tell the truth). Players I can see gone are Joely R, Zack Kelly, LLovera, Gillaspie, Jansen, Garza, Jacques, Paxton, Weiss, Kluber, Ort and Mills. Will Martin want to stay? So of the 26 pitchers listed below, sayonara to 12 at least. Position players - fare thee well to Verdugo, McGuire, Refsnyder, Mondesi, Urias, Turner (I don't think he will want to be back), Dalbec, Duvall, Reyes. So, of the 19 position players, this means 9 go. This is extreme I know, but the last two years were a wallow and a slog through mediocrity that I am bullish to eliminate. I fully expect some on my goodbye list will be retained. This list makes it seems like you're just sort of offended by the concept of role players. It's hard to imagine, at any rate, what sort of upgrade you think you can make on guys like McGuire, Urias, and Reyes, given the FA options. Or Verdugo for that matter. I'd say the same of Refsnyder, though with the young outfielders coming up maybe you could make the case for replacing him in-house. I'm offended by mediocre/losing/ historically injured players. It's my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Last 2 years were awful. Significant change is needed
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Post by nonothing on Oct 3, 2023 14:17:09 GMT -5
Pitchers: 26
Free Agents: James Paxton 34 L L Corey Kluber 37 R R Joely Rodríguez 31 L L
Net Pitchers: 23
Definite Keepers (ignoring any trades): 13
SPs (2): Brayan Bello 24 R R Chris Sale 34 L L
RPs (7) (even if bulk): Kenley Jansen 35 S R Chris Martin 37 R R Josh Winckowski 25 R R John Schreiber 29 R R Zack Kelly 28 R R Brennan Bernardino 31 L L Chris Murphy 25 L L
SP or RP (4): Kutter Crawford 27 R R Nick Pivetta 30 R R Tanner Houck 27 R R Garrett Whitlock 27 R R
Pitcher Roster Decision Names (currently on roster) to weigh against the Rule 5 potential 40-man adds in section below: 10 Brandon Walter 26 L L Joe Jacques 28 L L Mauricio Llovera 27 R R Bryan Mata 24 R R Logan Gillaspie 26 R R Nick Robertson 24 R R Justin Garza 29 R R Zack Weiss 31 R R Kaleb Ort 31 R R Wyatt Mills 28 R R
Potential Rule 5 Adds: 6 W Gonzalez S Drohan R Fernandez G Gambrell J Hagenman L Perales
Some of others possible that others may debate, but I do not think will be added: Bastardo, Cepeda, Liu, Nunez, Penrod, Politi, Song, Van Belle, many others (full list on SoxProspects Rule 5 Eligibility)
So back to the position players, I think 16 spots are position players, giving them the ability to keep 24 pitchers -- or only 23 if they want a spot open to draft from another team.
I am assuming they keep a spot open and go into the draft with 23 pitchers, and I am assuming they sign 2 FA pitchers before the draft, meaning they can only have 21 of the guys listed above, or simply put 8 of the 16 guys I listed as names to weigh or potential adds can have spots, while the others cannot.
With that said, I would outright/be ok losing older guys who maybe don't have a lot of upside or are injured and come back potentially without a roster spot (4): Wyatt Mills 28 R R Justin Garza 29 R R Zack Weiss 31 R R Kaleb Ort 31 R R
We have few lefties, so I would keep: 2 Brandon Walter 26 L L Joe Jacques 28 L L
That leaves 6 slots for 10 guys:
I would keep: Bryan Mata 24 R R Nick Robertson 24 R R Add: W Gonzalez G Gambrell S Drohan L Perales
Drop: Mauricio Llovera 27 R R Logan Gillaspie 26 R R
Leave unprotected: R Fernandez J Hagenman
Final Pitchers on Roster at Rule 5: 23
SPs (4): Brayan Bello 24 R R Chris Sale 34 L L Early FA Sign or Trade Add Early FA Sign or Trade Add
SP or RP (9): Kutter Crawford 27 R R Nick Pivetta 30 R R Tanner Houck 27 R R Garrett Whitlock 27 R R Grant Gambrell R Wikelman Gonzalez R Luis Perales R Brandon Walter 26 L L Shane Drohan L
RPs (10) (even if bulk): Kenley Jansen 35 S R Chris Martin 37 R R Josh Winckowski 25 R R John Schreiber 29 R R Zack Kelly 28 R R Bryan Mata 24 R R Nick Robertson 24 R R Brennan Bernardino 31 L L Chris Murphy 25 L L Joe Jacques 28 L L
Final Position Players on Roster at Rule 5: 16
Connor Wong 27 R R Reese McGuire 28 L R
Triston Casas 23 L R Rafael Devers 26 L R Justin Turner 38 R R Bobby Dalbec 28 R R
Trevor Story 30 R R Pablo Reyes 29 R R Enmanuel Valdez 24 L R Brainer Bonaci 21 S R
Jarren Duran 26 L R Masataka Yoshida 29 L R Alex Verdugo 27 L L Rob Refsnyder 32 R R Wilyer Abreu 24 L L Ceddanne Rafaela 22 R R
1 open spot to add at Rule 5
The most frustrating one is Perales. You probably have to add him, but he is very, very far away. But given we had Ward and Song plucked and the other team was only trying to hold them for 90 days and have them be "injured" the rest, we probably have to add him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 3, 2023 15:11:45 GMT -5
Most of that is way too hard to sift through, but I'll just respond to the Perales point and note that with the way they started to approach promotions this year, I wouldn't say that being in Greenville is "very, very far away." If he looks good enough in camp next year, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he pushed his way to Portland, and even if he starts in Greenville he could easily get there after a month or so. Barring injuries a 2025 debut isn't crazy.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 3, 2023 15:29:26 GMT -5
This list makes it seems like you're just sort of offended by the concept of role players. It's hard to imagine, at any rate, what sort of upgrade you think you can make on guys like McGuire, Urias, and Reyes, given the FA options. Or Verdugo for that matter. I'd say the same of Refsnyder, though with the young outfielders coming up maybe you could make the case for replacing him in-house. I'm offended by mediocre/losing/ historically injured players. It's my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Last 2 years were awful. Significant change is needed Yeah, I mean, I think they should get rid of the bad players. I don't think they should get rid of perfectly good role players because "change is needed." Good changes are needed, not just getting rid of an above average backup catcher, for instance, just because you want to have a new name to root for.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 3, 2023 16:07:58 GMT -5
I'm offended by mediocre/losing/ historically injured players. It's my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Last 2 years were awful. Significant change is needed Yeah, I mean, I think they should get rid of the bad players. I don't think they should get rid of perfectly good role players because "change is needed." Good changes are needed, not just getting rid of an above average backup catcher, for instance, just because you want to have a new name to root for. Occasionally you can be reasonable. Mainly, you are quite the jerk.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Oct 3, 2023 16:34:48 GMT -5
Of course there will need to be some tinkering required prior to the rule 5 but that is kind of ho hum stuff for me. The real work begins once we know which FA starters have received a QO and even more importantly when Turner makes his decision. Priorities for me are 1) Two starting pitchers that feel like the money is going to be well spent 2) Position player moves that improve the team defensively. 3) A RH power bat. So, that means a minimum of 3 players on the 2024 40 man that are not within our control today.
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Post by soxaddict on Oct 3, 2023 16:35:57 GMT -5
This list makes it seems like you're just sort of offended by the concept of role players. It's hard to imagine, at any rate, what sort of upgrade you think you can make on guys like McGuire, Urias, and Reyes, given the FA options. Or Verdugo for that matter. I'd say the same of Refsnyder, though with the young outfielders coming up maybe you could make the case for replacing him in-house. I'm offended by mediocre/losing/ historically injured players. It's my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Last 2 years were awful. Significant change is needed I'm in agreement. They can absolutely do better in FA with the exception of Verdugo and I assume the OP is suggesting he should be dealt. For starters, C and 2B are glaring weaknesses. The Sox do not have a C or 2B on the roster that could start for any playoff team.
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Post by scottysmalls on Oct 3, 2023 16:54:23 GMT -5
I'm offended by mediocre/losing/ historically injured players. It's my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Last 2 years were awful. Significant change is needed I'm in agreement. They can absolutely do better in FA with the exception of Verdugo and I assume the OP is suggesting he should be dealt. For starters, C and 2B are glaring weaknesses. The Sox do not have a C or 2B on the roster that could start for any playoff team. This isn't exactly true. Marlins would start Wong or McGuire probably, Rays might too. Urias/Valdez platoon is better than what the Orioles have going at second, maybe better than the Blue Jays too. If they can improve these positions, great, someone mentioned Drury as a 2B target and that's interesting, but personally I think the best hope for each is internal. Wong could be a 2 WAR player next year without it being a huge shock to anyone, same with Urias.
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Post by rhswanzey on Oct 3, 2023 16:55:42 GMT -5
Edit: these are just first impressions from nonothing’s breakdown a few posts up, which seems like a good jumping off point. I don’t want to derail general 40-man talk by honing in on very minor parts of the 40-man; I think this type of truncated reply is preferable to quoting the entire post over and over within this thread.
* What’s the difference between Joe Jacques, and this year’s MLFA LHRP (2024’s Ryan Sherriff)? He did better than I expect any minor league rule 5 pick to do… I don’t think we should use a roster spot there.
* at some point Dalbec needs to be treated as a sunk cost and removed from the roster. I remember preseason and in season talk about how the Sox didn’t have any other upper minors corner INF depth, and he’s too good to cut but struggling too much to trade. I accept those arguments at the time they were made but we are down to one option and one pre arb year. It’s difficult to see him being here after next offseason. If he were in the FA pool, are you spending a 40-man roster spot on one year of this player in a contention year? Whether it’s Dalbec or Daniel Palka, the season is not going well if either is getting regular run. There’s opportunity cost to the roster spot.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 3, 2023 17:12:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, I think they should get rid of the bad players. I don't think they should get rid of perfectly good role players because "change is needed." Good changes are needed, not just getting rid of an above average backup catcher, for instance, just because you want to have a new name to root for. Occasionally you can be reasonable. Mainly, you are quite the jerk. Okay, well, I like you and don't want to sow discord and if we can't engage with each other without miscommunicating on the tone then I'll just try not to engage with you on substantive stuff. I'll keep it to the game threads.
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Post by dcb26 on Oct 3, 2023 21:11:14 GMT -5
This list makes it seems like you're just sort of offended by the concept of role players. It's hard to imagine, at any rate, what sort of upgrade you think you can make on guys like McGuire, Urias, and Reyes, given the FA options. Or Verdugo for that matter. I'd say the same of Refsnyder, though with the young outfielders coming up maybe you could make the case for replacing him in-house. I'm offended by mediocre/losing/ historically injured players. It's my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Last 2 years were awful. Significant change is needed Are you assuming they would be able to replace all of the names you gave with better players, or is the idea just that "these guys aren't good enough, so anything different has to be better" ?
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Post by nonothing on Oct 3, 2023 21:47:01 GMT -5
Edit: these are just first impressions from nonothing’s breakdown a few posts up, which seems like a good jumping off point. I don’t want to derail general 40-man talk by honing in on very minor parts of the 40-man; I think this type of truncated reply is preferable to quoting the entire post over and over within this thread. * What’s the difference between Joe Jacques, and this year’s MLFA LHRP (2024’s Ryan Sherriff)? He did better than I expect any minor league rule 5 pick to do… I don’t think we should use a roster spot there. * at some point Dalbec needs to be treated as a sunk cost and removed from the roster. I remember preseason and in season talk about how the Sox didn’t have any other upper minors corner INF depth, and he’s too good to cut but struggling too much to trade. I accept those arguments at the time they were made but we are down to one option and one pre arb year. It’s difficult to see him being here after next offseason. If he were in the FA pool, are you spending a 40-man roster spot on one year of this player in a contention year? Whether it’s Dalbec or Daniel Palka, the season is not going well if either is getting regular run. There’s opportunity cost to the roster spot. I think Dalbec comes off when they trade him or sign or trade for an FA beyond the 2 Pitchers I left spots for and need another spot. I just expect they won't drop him until finding another RH power bat. If they keep Turner and then re-sign Duvall, I think Dalbec is likely the drop for that. But without other RH bats, not sure he drops. Just my thinking, which I don't think is very different from what you are saying. Also on Jacques, some of the issue is do you really want to add guys you may need to drop later. So if you protect more guys, you may need to outright them for FA signings. If they sign Josh Hader, I think Jacques (or another guy above) could comfortably be let go.
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Post by nonothing on Oct 3, 2023 21:56:30 GMT -5
Most of that is way too hard to sift through, but I'll just respond to the Perales point and note that with the way they started to approach promotions this year, I wouldn't say that being in Greenville is "very, very far away." If he looks good enough in camp next year, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he pushed his way to Portland, and even if he starts in Greenville he could easily get there after a month or so. Barring injuries a 2025 debut isn't crazy. If he debuts in 2025, then it is a wasted roster spot for all of 2024. That's all I am saying. He is very far away to think he will debut in 2024. For most people, you don't want to add them early. In his case, we probably do. Another issue is that if we trade him, the other team also needs a 40 man spot -- and you cannot trade him post-July, if for some reason you might have wanted that flexibility. Is this horrible? No. But not ideal for a guy who didn't even put up good numbers in Greenville this year and would not likely be competitive at all in MLB early in 2024. It's protecting against a game the tanking teams play.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 3, 2023 22:00:33 GMT -5
I'm offended by mediocre/losing/ historically injured players. It's my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Last 2 years were awful. Significant change is needed Are you assuming they would be able to replace all of the names you gave with better players, or is the idea just that "these guys aren't good enough, so anything different has to be better" ? The players listed are pretty fungible or are free agents likely to be back or in Verdugo'sxcase, somebody that could very well get traded. I remember the stark differences on the 1995 roster versus the 1994 roster Dan Duquette inherited. Lots of guys replaced on the roster. We'll see what happens when the new PoBO is hired and how quickly he or even she puts his or her stamp on the team. I do suspect tha that the focus will be on more higher profile acquisitions than 25th or 26th man roster turnover. I dont expect Turner to be back. The Sox might very well non tender Urias. The new PoBO might not be enamored with him, who knows? Reyes is basically a utility man. There are a lot of Reyes type guys out there. I can see him hanging around for a littlexehike but I doubt they start him. Duvall probably will wind up elsewhere where he can get a longer commitment and more money. I hope he comes back but don't be surprised if he doesnt. Refsnyder likely sticks around but hes no slam dunk. His numbers were pedestrian. McGuire likely sticks around but who knows? Maybe the GM will want a better glove? I exoect Paxton wont be back either. I could easily see Verdugo being dealt, especially with Cora sticking around. Verdugo was good defensively but had a 99 OPS+ and has seen his offense decline little by little to the point that his bat really wasnt a factor. I could see a new PoBO dangling Verdigo and Tannner Houck on a deal. Or maybe others I haven't considered. I think we're in for an eye opening offseason. I have a feeling the Sox will wind up with one of Ohtani, Soto, Yamamoto, or Trout. The Sox will get one or two big names heading up the pitching staff. If not Yamamoto, then I'll guess the left handed Japanese pitcher and perhaps Giolito or even NOLA, although I cant see Dombrowski letting him slip away. The Sox ownership group is aware they had a team if average to mediocre players that was very devoid if star power and didnt have compelling players to interest fans on coming to fill up the ballpark. They fired Bloom thinking his replacement will get the buzz back among the fans. So yeah I think there will be significant turnover on the 40 man roster. Will some of the players they replace get replaced with better players? Probably not in all cases, but I think sometimes when a team has been losing, simply mixing up and changing the chemistry can help. That usually accompanies a new manager although that wont be the case here.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Oct 3, 2023 22:00:39 GMT -5
Most of that is way too hard to sift through, but I'll just respond to the Perales point and note that with the way they started to approach promotions this year, I wouldn't say that being in Greenville is "very, very far away." If he looks good enough in camp next year, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he pushed his way to Portland, and even if he starts in Greenville he could easily get there after a month or so. Barring injuries a 2025 debut isn't crazy. If he debuts in 2025, then it is a wasted roster spot for all of 2024. That's all I am saying. He is very far away to think he will debut in 2024. For most people, you don't want to add them early. In his case, we probably do. Another issue is that if we trade him, the other team also needs a 40 man spot -- and you cannot trade him post-July, if for some reason you might have wanted that flexibility. Is this horrible? No. But not ideal for a guy who didn't even put up good numbers in Greenville this year and would not likely be competitive at all in MLB early in 2024. It's protecting against a game the tanking teams play. Athletics for sure take a flier on a guy like Perales, and a system that's constantly ripped for not having pitching should probably try to keep its few top tier pitching prospects.
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