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Post by chaimtime on Mar 21, 2024 18:53:36 GMT -5
The Rays have had Shane Mclanahan, Glasnow, Snell, Eflin and other good SP over the years to offset their bulk reliever philosophy to make it work. Yarbrough was a fairly proven bulk innings guy for a couple years even though he wasn't the starter. If they think Bello and Pivetta or Crawford can be as good as those guys then maybe it'll work, if not then they're going to have problems. Sort of, but they had 17 different guys start games for them last year. They got 235 combined innings out of Glasnow and McClanahan—definitely nothing to sneeze at, but not exactly what you want from your top two starters. Taj Bradley was fourth on the team in innings, and he basically had a slightly worse version of Houck’s season—huge platoon split, terrible once he hit the third time through the order, less than five innings per start. Eflin being as good as he was was definitely a huge help, but relying on Yonny Chirinos, Josh Fleming, and Jalen Beeks to combine for over 150 innings didn’t stop them from winning 99 games.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 22, 2024 9:05:06 GMT -5
Anybody else surprised to see this? If 2024 plays out as projected, the Sox will be alone on top here:
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Post by chaimtime on Mar 22, 2024 11:08:26 GMT -5
Anybody else surprised to see this? If 2024 plays out as projected, the Sox will be alone on top here: Not really, the division is a buzzsaw where losing more games than you win will probably put you in the basement, or at least in contention for it. Three of those last place finishes came in years they won 78 games. Frustrating seasons for sure, but hardly disasters. 2012, 2014, 2020, and 2022 are largely down to a dearth of young, cheap talent to fill out the roster. 2015 and 2023 saw a wave of young talent break in, but injuries and poor performance from veterans were too much for them to overcome. When the margin for error is as small as it is in the AL East, that’s a good recipe for finishing in last place. Hopefully 2024-2026 goes similarly to 2016-2018, and hopefully ownership’s obsession with “sustainability” means 2027 and beyond go much better than 2019-2022 did.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 22, 2024 11:10:43 GMT -5
Anybody else surprised to see this? If 2024 plays out as projected, the Sox will be alone on top here: They went 78-84 in three of those six seasons! For comparison's sake, the Rockies have won 78 or more games three times in that 14-year stretch. Like, I know that last place is no fun, but that's also just not very meaningful. Also, there is only one team that has won more World Series in that stretch.
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Post by chaimtime on Mar 22, 2024 11:14:50 GMT -5
Anybody else surprised to see this? If 2024 plays out as projected, the Sox will be alone on top here: They went 78-84 in three of those six seasons! For comparison's sake, the Rockies have won 78 or more games three times in that 14-year stretch. Like, I know that last place is no fun, but that's also just not very meaningful. Also, there is only one team that has won more World Series in that stretch. For reference, in that same timespan, the Red Sox and Yankees have won the division 4 times, the Rays thrice, the Orioles twice, and the Jays once. It’s a really tough division!
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Post by asm18 on Mar 22, 2024 11:26:37 GMT -5
I think I can live with how the last ten years have gone frankly.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 22, 2024 14:12:45 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 22, 2024 14:25:11 GMT -5
I would think Joely might have a decent chance to make the roster, Cron I'm not sure on I feel like probably not but who knows.
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Post by kwodes on Mar 22, 2024 14:36:30 GMT -5
I would think Joely might have a decent chance to make the roster, Cron I'm not sure on I feel like probably not but who knows. Cron might be worse than Dalbec, but Dalbec has an option left and Cron doesn't. I feel like it's a lock Cron is on the roster and Dalbec is in Worcester.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 22, 2024 14:39:03 GMT -5
I would think Joely might have a decent chance to make the roster, Cron I'm not sure on I feel like probably not but who knows. Cron might be worse than Dalbec, but Dalbec has an option left and Cron doesn't. I feel like it's a lock Cron is on the roster and Dalbec is in Worcester. Maybe so and it would make sense as you point out to keep the depth with Dalbec in AAA with the option. I just haven't really heard anything on Cron either way so I have no clue what they might be thinking on him.
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Post by itinerantherb on Mar 22, 2024 14:41:09 GMT -5
I would think Joely might have a decent chance to make the roster, Cron I'm not sure on I feel like probably not but who knows. I don't know how much Bobby's ST performance (which is not to say results) weighs in the decision, but I'd think he has the edge over Cron for that spot on the roster given his relative defensive versatility.
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 22, 2024 14:43:54 GMT -5
With Refsnyder and Grissom out I’ll guess they keep Cron to start the year but unless he’s taking his stay will be short lived
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 22, 2024 14:44:15 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 22, 2024 14:47:33 GMT -5
Keeping Criswell in AAA to stay stretched out makes plenty of sense to me and in my opinion is the correct choice with Houck and Whitlock being the rotation.
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Post by kwodes on Mar 22, 2024 14:51:27 GMT -5
Cron might be worse than Dalbec, but Dalbec has an option left and Cron doesn't. I feel like it's a lock Cron is on the roster and Dalbec is in Worcester. Maybe so and it would make sense as you point out to keep the depth with Dalbec in AAA with the option. I just haven't really heard anything on Cron either way so I have no clue what they might be thinking on him. Same here, but that could also be because I haven't really checked on him because I always assumed Cron would be on the roster and Dalbec will be in AAA.
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Post by bg23 on Mar 22, 2024 15:04:59 GMT -5
For an ownership group that seems to be pinching pennies this year, the two million base salary just to keep Refsnyder’s seat warm for potentially a slight upgrade on Dalbec might not be how they want to allocate their money. In the other hand they may plan on optioning Rafaela/Abreu once Refsnyder is back and value Cron’s bat. It’s a toss up to me at this point.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 22, 2024 15:58:17 GMT -5
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Post by vokuhila on Mar 22, 2024 16:18:59 GMT -5
Zach Davis released by Nats. Might be a multi-inningRP/swingman/depthstarter-option
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 22, 2024 17:51:09 GMT -5
Check out Jeremy Wu-Yelland
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Post by bishop on Mar 22, 2024 18:10:29 GMT -5
Keeping Criswell in AAA to stay stretched out makes plenty of sense to me and in my opinion is the correct choice with Houck and Whitlock being the rotation. Cora has also hinted they might like a 6th starter with only one off day from April 9 to the 28th, I wonder if they might have him penciled in for a couple starts in that period.
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Post by sxfan on Mar 22, 2024 18:18:30 GMT -5
I imagine this is the last shot both Tanner and Whitlock get. I hope they can finally take the step forward. This organization needs a break starting pitching wise.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 23, 2024 13:34:05 GMT -5
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Post by awalkinthepark on Mar 23, 2024 14:30:03 GMT -5
So with Rafaela making the team, that means they'll have 4 players under the age of 25 expected to get regular playing time: Casas, Grissom, Abreu and Rafaela. Just looking at this century, no Red Sox team has ever had 4 different players under the age of 25 get at least 250 plate appearances in a season. In 2017 they came close, with Mookie, Benintendi and Xander playing full years and Devers getting 240 PAs, and again in 2014 Xander and JBJ played most of the year and Mookie/Vazquez each got 200 plate appearances. Other than that it's pretty rare for them to hand out a starting job to more than 2 players < 25. And just for reference: the 2018 team had 2 (Benintendi/Devers), 2013 had 1 (Middlebrooks), 2007 had 1 (Pedroia) and the 2004 team had zero.
I'm not sure how the outfield is going to play out, my guess is one of Rafaela/Abreu will be back in the minors at some point. But the fact that there are 4 guys this young who are expected to provide significant production is really not great.
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Post by 0ap0 on Mar 23, 2024 17:05:05 GMT -5
But the fact that there are 4 guys this young who are expected to provide significant production is really not great. Agreed, and yet -- it's also the team's brightest feature.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Mar 23, 2024 18:08:20 GMT -5
But the fact that there are 4 guys this young who are expected to provide significant production is really not great. Agreed, and yet -- it's also the team's brightest feature. I'm just excited to have my long time favorite minor leaguer, C-Dan Rafaela, being able to answer the question of who will eat crow, me or all the posters who eagerly included him in every trade proposal they made this winter no matter how mediocre the return. Also, C is +4000 for AL ROY, a number that's sure to come down once he starts showing up in Sports Center for spectacular plays and dynamic baserunning along with the surprising pop in his bat.
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