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Post by ikonos on Jun 12, 2013 19:36:20 GMT -5
Is Redsox slow to sign players compared to rest of the teams? I think OAK signed 25+ players and Padres signed 20 players and lot of teams signed multiple high picks. What gives?
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Post by ikonos on Jun 11, 2013 12:49:05 GMT -5
I would think they make the qualifying offer with Salty and Napoli. If Salty leaves they bring Lavarnway up to share the duties with Ross (who I think is signed for next year?). If Napoli leaves then Lavarnway can rotate between 1B/C/Bench.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 10, 2013 15:29:05 GMT -5
That got to sting the plans expecting 400-500K savings for this pick. If that is true, I dont see how they can give Denny any more than 1M.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 10, 2013 15:27:45 GMT -5
So, Jalen Williams has a football scholarship to Nichols St. Do the new rules affect the two sport player that can be offered more? Or is this still part of the total pool? Not sure if $100k will do it for him or not, but I doubt they want to allocate pool dollars to get him signed. I'm curious if the 2-sport deal gives us anything outside of the pool to offer. My instinct says no, but I am not sure anymore. In the old rules you also get to spread the bonus across multiple years for two sport athletes, I wonder if that is the same now and how it works. I would think it only applies to actual payment of the bonus and the full amount counts to the pool in the draft year?
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Post by ikonos on Jun 10, 2013 11:59:43 GMT -5
If Ball signs for under slot I bet its for 3 million even. He may sign for slightly less than that but I doubt it. I am with you on this. Slot money for 9th pick is slightly over 3M and he was expecting to go between 8th and 12th picks and TOR at 10th was his most likely landing spot if it wasn't for Sox picking him. So I am expecting he would sign for 9th pick money which is 3.029M (above the magical 3M number).
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Post by ikonos on Jun 9, 2013 19:59:32 GMT -5
I am not sure why some are souring on Denny to sign Sheffield and Boldt. His scouting reports says he has middle of the order bat potential with 65-70 power and that is impressive and probably the reason why Sox made sure they get him and not KC. Based on BA ranks, he seems to be a better player then Boldt or Sheffield and he probably is not asking for 2M like Boldt either. Again as others have mentioned their priority is to sign the top 10 picks for as much below slot as possible so they have an opportunity to sign the remaining. Make no mistake about it and if it comes to Denny vs Sheffeild or Boldt they will sign Denny.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 9, 2013 18:47:21 GMT -5
mike 825K is late 2nd round money. Do you see Sheffield a late second rounder? He was ranked 88 by BA and assuming that correlates with that pick, the slot value is only about 600K.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 9, 2013 18:38:55 GMT -5
I think Denny was expected to go at the end of the first round. So if we start with Pick 25 which has a slot value of 1.8665M and ends with competitive balance 1st round pick 39 which has a slot value of 1.4334M, I would expect it will take a number between 1.4334M and 1.865M to get him to sign. The average is about 1.65M which is where Chris, Mike and one other poster predicted it will take Denny to sign. 1.3M number other posters are putting out is too low and falls in the 2nd round money. I highly doubt he will sign for 2nd round money.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 9, 2013 13:19:39 GMT -5
"Interesting to know if Bane caused this change in draft philosophy though." -- I don't know what this means. What change in draft philosophy? And who is Bane? Bane is the newly hired special assistant to Cherington. I was talking about drafting more than usual tough signs.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 9, 2013 9:19:33 GMT -5
I dont think they will play around with their Top 10 picks and will make every effort to sign them including Denny. Its the others they have an opportunity to stiff etc. Denny is considered a First round talent and he will expect money atleast equal to the slot in the 25-30 range. Yes it is a lot of money to turn down but most of these players and their families also Human and ego can come in to the picture (For ex: Stanky going back to Juco over 80K) Interesting to know if Bane caused this change in draft philosophy though.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 8, 2013 17:46:12 GMT -5
Im betting by tueday a few will be signed Trey Ball's article some where indicated they are hoping to get signed over the weekend. It will be nice to see some of them get signed soon.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 8, 2013 16:17:40 GMT -5
thelavarnwayguy MLB could always go the NFL route and penalize them for not working within the spirit of the game. Also, before the new CBA, the Red Sox and other big market teams did draft many highly rated signability guys but did not sign them then, now it would cost two times the amount to sign them and they would lose their 1st and 2nd round draft picks Excellent point. They had the opportunity for years with the cost being just the money and did not chose to do it. No reason to think they will do it now when the penalty is higher. The other way of looking at it is, now they have a reason as they can't spend 10-11M like they used to. But still teams dont like to antagonize the league.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 8, 2013 15:46:10 GMT -5
AZ I see what you are saying. In fact, I've made similar posts myself. However we are fortunate that there is a lot of information about these players from both a scouting and historical perspective. Trey Ball has a lot of things to like. He's competitive extremely athletic throws hard and is left handed. He also apparently can throw a changeup with is my favorite breaking pitch and appeared to have a coach that cared about his pro-future. No 200 pitch outings for him. The problem is that he's still a high school pitcher. High school pitchers can be extremely risky to begin with. They don't have the same experience against higher level competition and are so young that they can very easily become different pitchers when they face the professional game. Heck, the kid has probably never been away from home for more than a week. In Ball's case, he's not from a high talent warm weather area like Texas or California, he's from Indiana where the competition is not as strong. Further, this spring was apparently awful weather-wise in the mid west. It's likely that they Sox and other teams did not get to scout Ball as much as they did Meadows or Shipley. It's fair to say that he's riskier than a normal high school player.Yes we haven't seen Ball in person or worked him out and even if we did we'd probably not evaluate him as well as the professionals do. However, that doesn't mean that this isn't a very risky pick. It was probably a riskier pick than Meadows or Shipley. Time will tell if this risk is justified and if the Sox have properly evaluated said risk. But fans should be aware of what they did. Of all the potential players to take, they took the one most likely to be a zero. It's more risk than I personally feel they should take. Could it be possible they scouted his stuff and how he throws and what he throws than who he is throwing it against? There was a link provided in earlier pages that indicated Sox spent almost 2 months (an amount of time they spent scouting on only few players) scouting him? Their area scout watched him about ten times both as a pitcher and hitter and Sawdeye, Cherington, Bane along with the rest of the team watched him in person. Dont you think that indicates they have scouted him thoroughly? In that article Ben was quoted (paraphrasing) as saying when it was their time to pick, he was the best available player on their board ahead of Meadows. I understand most here wanted others but second guessing Sox on their 1st pick is ridiculous. On the remaining picks its not always best player available as signability, pool money management comes in to play who they pick. When you look at the draft class as a whole, i think they did very well. I hope they can sign as many as they can though.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 22:49:05 GMT -5
@speditors As part of Trey Ball's write up on SP could you compare pre-draft scouting reports on HS pitchers selected between 5-10 slots in prior years in comparison with Trey Ball?
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 22:04:45 GMT -5
Sorry I meant the number. 7th, 45th and ...
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 22:02:29 GMT -5
When is our next pick?
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 22:01:53 GMT -5
Below Slot Teddy?
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 18:50:30 GMT -5
Is Ball the youngest HS pitcher in this draft class?
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 18:49:37 GMT -5
Wow Ball
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 18:49:06 GMT -5
According to Ben Cherington Sox wanted Clint Frazier and Bud Selig said no way in hell I am going to let you do that. Tito stepped in and said I will rub it in for John Henry and take him
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 18:46:14 GMT -5
I highly doubt Sox will pick Smith here. He hasn't been mentioned with Sox at all
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 18:43:44 GMT -5
Some folks put this as the worst case scenario for sox and it came out like that. I think they should go with Meadows.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 18:21:37 GMT -5
May be Theo and company see Gray as a closer instead of Starter
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 18:20:49 GMT -5
Gray looking at some lost Green
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Post by ikonos on Jun 6, 2013 17:28:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. Helps those of us not at home watching TV.
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