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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2023 14:08:49 GMT -5
Wow. The Astro's 1 and 4 prospects according to MLB..com Mets must be eating a ton of money, which is smart.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2023 12:50:00 GMT -5
Who says no? Red Sox get Cease White Sox get 1) Verdugo (who they can keep or flip), 2) Walter or Drohan, 3) Dalbec, Yorke or Jordan, plus 4) Bonaci or Cespedes Bloom would hear a dial tone after proposing the trade. Followed by the White Sox blocking his number. If you pick the right combo that's at minimum a fair offer that won't get your number blocked. Given this market, Verdugo is likely worth around a top 50 prospect.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2023 12:46:28 GMT -5
Who says no? Red Sox get Cease White Sox get 1) Verdugo (who they can keep or flip), 2) Walter or Drohan, 3) Dalbec, Yorke or Jordan, plus 4) Bonaci or Cespedes Have a hard time taking anyone seriously who puts those players in the same line. It's like giving someone the choice of an RC Cola or a $50 bill. Love the RC Cola Refrence! Can of soda, $100 Bill and $50 Bill, is how I see it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2023 10:31:51 GMT -5
It's way too early but I'm going to say Douglas might be the steal of the draft.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2023 10:20:20 GMT -5
www.mlb.com/news/red-sox-injuries-and-roster-movesI'm down for a lot of things, you can certainly buy and sell. You can't have a fire sale like you should have last year. You need to add some starting pitching depth, as the DL guys are weeks away. Personally I'd just go after cheap inning eaters. I would love ERod, but he's likely costing too much. Would love to sell Paxton and Duval for a nice prospect haul, likely not happening. I have a feeling if traded it brings back a controlled pitcher, with that team getting the prospects.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 31, 2023 14:14:36 GMT -5
Tom Murphy as your hitting catcher?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 31, 2023 11:21:43 GMT -5
I like the buzz around bigger pitching targets. There seems to be a lot of people advocating for another 4/5 starter to get them through (and I've said that's what I think they would do) but is that what they really need? IMO, this team has more than enough 4/5 types and the real need is a guy at the top of the rotation to pair with Bello. Paxton has been great in that role, but my concern is that he will run out of gas. Something to consider - the team has C, 1B, SS/2B, 3B, LF, and CF locked down for the foreseeable future. I think there's a lot of leeway to safely move hitting prospects without compromising the mlb lineup. Agreed, I feel like Verlander should be an option. It'd push them over the CBT this year, but they can easily reset next year and he fits their short-term timeline where he'll be a free agent with sale, Jansen, Verdugo, Martin, pivetta, arroyo, etc. Gives them a great rotation for the stretch run and shouldn't cost TOO much. ***assuming he approves a trade to Boston*** 35 million vests with 140 innings next year, making it player option. That being said, if the cost is cheap and I mean dirt cheap I'm down.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 30, 2023 15:01:23 GMT -5
You guys want Quintana contract? First year of a two year 26 million deal, made two starts all year. Sure. I’d give him the Garrett Richards/Kluber contract slot(plus inflation) for next year. $13m seems reasonable if he’s healthy. He’s just coming back from injury now. Seems like a reasonable risk? Add: Maybe the Mets would pay some of this down, as well? For me I want to see how a pitcher does for the full year and his health at end of year before giving out those one year deals. Trade for him and you're making that decision after only two starts now, not at years end. Look at 2020 and 2021 for why I'm worried. In last four years only 2022 was a good healthy year. If Mets pick up money, the cost goes up and I don't want that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 30, 2023 12:56:20 GMT -5
You guys want Quintana contract? First year of a two year 26 million deal, made two starts all year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 30, 2023 10:30:21 GMT -5
Well he could retire, he's not doing that. I get it, but the RB are going crazy! Calling to redo the CBA, complaining all day long. Zeke in modern times has made more money than almost anyone. If he's not retiring, I would be focusing on fit and legacy.
Why I like Zeke is because he's not getting much money. I'd expect a low base salary and incentives. Dallas offensive line was messed up last year and I feel Zeke combo of short yardage running and ability in passing downs is perfect.
I'm perfectly fine with the Hopkins offer, frankly they went higher than I expected. Yes RB is a bigger need.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 30, 2023 0:00:34 GMT -5
It's not the Patriots that are the issue, it's RB thinking playing hardball will somehow get them paid. Zeke is coming off a down year, he needs the right opportunity more than more money or his career could be over rather quick. Just ask Bell how quickly it can happen. The Patriots are a great fit and way to go Mac Jones going the extra mile to make it happen.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2023 23:55:23 GMT -5
Come on Bloom get creative, I see the Dodgers want Duval, do a Duval and Pivetta for Emmet Sheehan who's struggling because they jumped him straight from AA. Local guy who went to BC. Yeah I know it's unlikely, I can't help myself. Why would a team who is in a playoff run trade two players who are helping for a guy in AA? He's not in AA, Dodgers jumped him from AA to their starting rotation. They want a starter, instead of trusting Pivetta and his value is likely sky high. We have a certain OF in AAA. Reports say they are listening on both. Also reports say Houck to bullpen when he comes off DL. So package guys who value is sky high and get a young cost controlled pitcher for 6 years. While also adding, then putting Sheehan in the bullpen for this year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2023 17:21:35 GMT -5
Come on Bloom get creative, I see the Dodgers want Duval, do a Duval and Pivetta for Emmet Sheehan who's struggling because they jumped him straight from AA. Local guy who went to BC. Yeah I know it's unlikely, I can't help myself.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2023 10:49:58 GMT -5
He was my top choice, get it done.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2023 3:19:03 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it, yet haven't seen Drew Smyly name mentioned as a cheap inning eater type. I don't love the $8.5 million player option, but he should cost next to nothing.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2023 3:11:20 GMT -5
They show 6 DD drafted guys versus 1 Bloom guy and then say you're wrong. Nevermind the one guy traded wasn't even a top 60 guy. The Bloom fan club in full swing. Again, four of those guys were before Bloom even had a draft class to trade, so how exactly would you expect him to choose one of his guys in that situation.. He could have traded his own drafted guys over the last four years no? The facts are he's traded more DD drafted guys than his own. Even removing those, that's still true! Some how people are saying it isn't. Most GMs act that way, they favor their players, it's their legacy. If I had to guess Bloom likely trades DD guys or players he acquired by trade. I'm not even saying that wrong, they have a rule 5 draft issue and 40 man roster crunch. Better to trade them then have them taken in rule 5 draft, like DD guys were last year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 28, 2023 19:01:15 GMT -5
Yes, so Seabold was the highest ranked prospect that he himself acquired and then traded. You've said like 3-4x now that facts don't fit my beliefs, when not only is the reverse true but you can believe whatever you want anyways. Let's agree to disagree. They show 6 DD drafted guys versus 1 Bloom guy and then say you're wrong. Nevermind the one guy traded wasn't even a top 60 guy. The Bloom fan club in full swing.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 28, 2023 13:39:00 GMT -5
nesn.com/2022/11/how-patriots-bill-belichick-handled-question-cole-strange-benching/Strange was benched 3 times last year and you can clearly see no talk of injuries, it was his play. Which did improve as the season went on. Just like in senior bowl, big huge guys with speed were an issue. He's never played against guys like that. I've got the Jets games circled as a benchmark for him I'm so confused, if you watch every snap why are we even having this discussion? This isn't I just made stuff up, it's been well talked about in Boston media for a long-time. So far there's been one person who thinks Trent Brown was good last year!
The line got so bad they kept changing the offense to multiple types of quick release dink and dunk passes to protect Mac Jones. Which then caused him to go crazy and act like a teenager. They had no choice because at that point both tackles were playing like garbage and Strange was struggling. It was the worst OL play I've seen in likely 20 years. Early Brady years or even back to the Bledsoe days. It was horrible pass protection and run blocking. We had a whole debate why Zappe looked better and a huge part was his ability to move around when pressured to make throws. Where last year Mac Jones basically just took off and ran with the ball. It's why they brought in another LT who started games last year, yet he's on the non football list for something and not yet practicing. As to Wynn, as an example why people get confused. As a LT he was darn good for years, injuries being his biggest issues. He can't play on the other side, just like Onwenu can't play LG, yet is an all pro level RG. It’s rather common for a lot of players. If he plays LT for Dolphins that's a very good signing, he plays RT then it's not. I'd guess so far there has been zero. If you need you misconstrue another's position to argue your own ... For those not keeping score: I claimed Trent Brown IS a good LT and that as poor as last year was I didn't feel like he was a bad player, just one who too often played badly in 2022. Physically he was not overmatched by the opposition. NESN is one media outlet. I promise you another beat guy suggested Strange was "dealing with something physically." As the snap counts show -- after Week 1 he only missed snaps in two games, one of which he played 66 snaps, a normal workload. Hardly a "benching." I've seen BB do benching before and it doesn't look like this. nesn.com/2022/11/patriots-trent-brown-reveals-message-struggling-cole-strange/They all say the same thing, he's benched for his play and it's the games and stretch I remember. I find no listings of injuries and I don't remember any talk about them either. You make my point, you didn't think he was a bad player. You question his PFF grade, you question his sacks wanting to blame it on something else. The truth is, if they didn't switch up the offense he would have given up many more sacks! He was a bad player that was helped by running an offense that ran tons of short plays to protect the OL. Like I keep saying doesn't mean they'll be bad again this year, yet let's stop trying to rewrite history on last year. Last year is why most Patriots fans are worried, we've never seen Trent Brown look like that. We haven't seen OL play that bad in a long-time.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 28, 2023 13:11:20 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 28, 2023 11:12:33 GMT -5
nesn.com/2022/11/how-patriots-bill-belichick-handled-question-cole-strange-benching/Strange was benched 3 times last year and you can clearly see no talk of injuries, it was his play. Which did improve as the season went on. Just like in senior bowl, big huge guys with speed were an issue. He's never played against guys like that. I've got the Jets games circled as a benchmark for him I'm so confused, if you watch every snap why are we even having this discussion? This isn't I just made stuff up, it's been well talked about in Boston media for a long-time. So far there's been one person who thinks Trent Brown was good last year! The line got so bad they kept changing the offense to multiple types of quick release dink and dunk passes to protect Mac Jones. Which then caused him to go crazy and act like a teenager. They had no choice because at that point both tackles were playing like garbage and Strange was struggling. It was the worst OL play I've seen in likely 20 years. Early Brady years or even back to the Bledsoe days. It was horrible pass protection and run blocking. We had a whole debate why Zappe looked better and a huge part was his ability to move around when pressured to make throws. Where last year Mac Jones basically just took off and ran with the ball. It's why they brought in another LT who started games last year, yet he's on the non football list for something and not yet practicing. As to Wynn, as an example why people get confused. As a LT he was darn good for years, injuries being his biggest issues. He can't play on the other side, just like Onwenu can't play LG, yet is an all pro level RG. It’s rather common for a lot of players. If he plays LT for Dolphins that's a very good signing, he plays RT then it's not.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2023 23:35:24 GMT -5
They aren't in as good a position as the Sox. 6 games out of first with two teams ahead of them. They are in a better position in their division. A few games further out in the WC. They can look at their season as no less salvageable as Sox folks can. All I mean is that any argument one wants to make for the Sox going for it applies to them. BR Red Sox 39.3% to make playoffs, Angles 8.4%
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2023 23:32:16 GMT -5
DeJong is better than any of those three guys and controllable. He is your bridge to Mayer and Yorke, along with Chang. Arroyo is on borrowed time and Reyes is fungible. I mean Story is the starting SS and DeJong has only played 21 games in his career @ 2B. I like that he’s controllable, but I’m not sure if the fit is right especially seeing it would cost someone like Yorke. Rather hold onto Yorke for a pitcher trade. Now, if he came along in a trade w/ Montgomery, I might be a little more pleased. Why would he cost someone like Yorke?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2023 22:23:28 GMT -5
If Dombrowski is short sighted enough to give us like Mick Abel or Bryson Scott, by all means send him to Philly 😁 Ideally a Duvall trade maybe gets you a real answer at second base or a good pitcher. Barring that, ultimately if the best return you can get for him is similar to like the Vazquez trade (two okay high minors guys) I’m okay holding onto him. The Sox only spent 7 mil to get him as a contingency once Story needed elbow surgery so it’s not he was a huge investment to begin with. While the fit is awkward at the moment with Duvall, we are one fastball to the wrist or collision in the field to one of the outfielders/corner infielders away from him playing every day again. I'd cut him a deal and only ask for Griff McGarry lol
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2023 18:55:37 GMT -5
In order to develop pitchers you have to occasionally draft pitchers. The system they have set up is working so don't take this as a knock, but if they're going to primarily draft hitters then they have to buy or trade for starters. They're in a good position to do that, only 4 days left to pull the trigger. They did draft Drohan, who (while struggling at AAA) had been solid this year. They did draft Dobbins, who looks great this year They did draft Walter & Murphy, who may look more like multi-inning relivers, but have been solid in Boston They did draft Coffey & Blalock & Elmer R-C But you cannot ignore International Free agency They signed, Bello, Wikelman, Perales, Bastardo, Monegro, Paez, and even Gabriel Jacksopn has looked very good lately.
They have a lot of solid arms coming through the system. Some will fall off, others will add velo or develop a new pitch and take off. Nothing wrong with trading for an established arm, but I like what's coming through the system now. Several very interesting arms.
It's more Bloom, not DD who took multiple first round pitchers. Look at Blooms draft money over $150,000 spent per player on Positional players versus pitching in the draft. He clearly uses his high picks and money on Positional players over pitchers in a rather extreme way. Not saying that's wrong, just pointing that out.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2023 10:25:33 GMT -5
Well that's a projection that shows Brown bouncing back and Strange taking a big leap forward. They both got abused in a bunch of games last year. Projections said Hernandez would bounce back and he was worse than ever. That doesn't happen, you're right back to last year with 3 holes on your OL. Everyone thought last years line was going to be darn near elite. Also run blocking was also a huge issue last year, Stevenson was a miracle worker in many games. A good running games helps open up things for Mac in the passing game. You can't do good play action in games you can't run the ball. That being said it could certainly turn out that way. I'll believe it when the reports from training camp start conforming it. It is a projection. It might not come through as projected. Naturally. That said, it is from one who has studied the data and previously I posted a similar projection from one who has studied the tape. I have to disagree with the assertion Brown & Strange regularly got "abused." Strange had a tough stretch late in the year when he might have been dealing with a medical issue. Or maybe it was just a bad matchup or two, or he met the rookie wall. But after seeing how he dominated his matchup with Cameron Heyward -- one of the better at his interior position -- I have zero concerns about him going forward. And as I argued earlier in this thread I don't think I ever saw Trent "exposed" in any matchup. He holds up physically in any matchup. That doesn't mean he played great. He didn't. At least not consistently great. His performance was marred by penalties and line call miscommunications. It was up and down. I truly doubt any of these top DEs are licking their chops to line up against Trent Brown. * Early Trent Training Camp Notes: @ LT 1st team; has been in camp for 4 days already with the other early arrivers; looks good physically (handled post practice runs "easily" according to Curran; Trent says he "loves" Billy O & the energy he brings. In the past he's said he likes/needs tough coaching (Scarnecchia) -- time will tell if he likes Billy O's version. Do you watch the games? For example I remember Strange getting abused middle of the year, not end of the year. Bears game, both jets games and Colts game, he got pulled from multi games. PFF grades players by watching tape and grading each play, his grade is in the 50s. He had his moments, yet he also got abused. I don't know if you don't like the word, yet when you get pulled from multiple games what do you call it? It wasn't he was injured either. 5th most sacks allowed at his position and many more hurries and QB hits. Why I had him rated 3rd round even though I listed him as best fit in draft for LG, small time college guy who didn't see athletes like those in NFL. He's likely better, the question is how much better. Just remember his issues weren't just pass blocking either, also run blocking, same goes for Brown. Trent Brown certainly got abused, 8 sacks, then tons more hurries and QB hits. He would have also been pulled if they actually had anyone to take his place. I have no idea what you mean by holds up physically in any match up, if you watched him last year that just seems like a crazy statement. Again run blocking also was an issue. He looked slow and out of shape, which lead to a ton of penalties also as he tried to compensate for that. I'd also point out Brown had a bad finish the year before in pass blocking at RT, no sacks yet tons of hurries and QB hits. LIke I said both could certainly improve, it's just not a given. I'm more worried about Brown than Strange. It's not my imagination either, it's backed up by PFF grades who watched every play those two took last year.
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