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8/8-8/11 Red Sox @ Royals Series Thread
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Aug 8, 2013 7:14:24 GMT -5
8/8 Red Sox (LHP Jon Lester 10-6 4.52) @ Royals (LHP Bruce Chen 4-0 2.03) 8:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI8/9 Red Sox (RHP Jake Peavy 9-4 4.14) @ Royals (RHP Ervin Santana 8-6 2.97) 8:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI8/10 Red Sox (LHP Felix Doubront 8-5 3.56) @ Royals (RHP Jeremy Guthrie 12-7 3.96) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI8/11 Red Sox (RHP John Lackey 7-9 3.21) @ Royals (RHP James Shields 6-8 3.36) 2:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 8, 2013 7:19:42 GMT -5
After this series with KC, the Sox will have played 60 home games and 60 away games. A split would leave us with a 72-48 record with the winning pct. right on .600 On pace for 97 wins and the division title. I say split while the LA Dodgers hammer TB.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 8, 2013 7:33:30 GMT -5
After this series with KC, the Sox will have played 60 home games and 60 away games. A split would leave us with a 72-48 record with the winning pct. right on .600 On pace for 97 wins and the division title. I say split while the LA Dodgers hammer TB. This may be as good and competitive a set of pitching matchups as we've seen all season in the pre-series summary. Certainly suggests a split on the surface. This isn't 1978 or 1974 by any means, but I'm concerned that Farrell is pushing parts of the engine a little hard. Hope we don't blow a gasket. This 16-of-19 stretch is a dangerous one. |
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Post by Guidas on Aug 8, 2013 8:19:24 GMT -5
Win two, steal two, and plate up on burnt ends at Oklahoma Joe's (the original, of course)
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 8, 2013 8:54:45 GMT -5
This is great. How often in August do you get pumped for a 4 games series vs the Royals?
Looking ahead they have a 6 game west coast swing . The thing is its in the NL , so it's interesting to watch what Napoli does from here on out.
By the way we need some more hitting and deeper bench. I believe bringing up WMB and Xander for 3b help and the extra bat. I am done complaint about Drew. I also believe it will reenergize WMB. Kind of like it did to Iggy. He was scuffling down in AAA and he got promoted and went nuts. How sweet will that be for the next 2 months?
I love the pitching with the young help. Workman was a blip the other night. They may need to skip Dempster a start.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 8, 2013 9:19:09 GMT -5
This is great. How often in August do you get pumped for a 4 games series vs the Royals? Looking ahead they have a 6 game west coast swing . The thing is its in the NL , so it's interesting to watch what Napoli does from here on out. By the way we need some more hitting and deeper bench. I believe bringing up WMB and Xander for 3b help and the extra bat. I am done complaint about Drew. I also believe it will reenergize WMB. Kind of like it did to Iggy. He was scuffling down in AAA and he got promoted and went nuts. How sweet will that be for the next 2 months? I love the pitching with the young help. Workman was a blip the other night. They may need to skip Dempster a start. I'm not trying to be mean or beat you up here, but you post this same line basically every day. The Red Sox are second in the majors in scoring (.02 runs per game behind the Tigers), and they've scored 22 runs in their last two games. They're second in the majors in batting average, first in OBP and second in SLG. They're first in walks. They have 27 more doubles than any other team. Somewhat incredibly, they are second in triples. The Red Sox are really, really good at hitting. They do not "need" more hitting. If they can upgrade third base internally, then that's cool - it's obviously good to upgrade any position if it doesn't cost anything. But their lineup really isn't a problem. |
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Post by jdb on Aug 8, 2013 9:24:53 GMT -5
Didn't see a trade thread not locked but Youngs cleared waivers.
Rosenthall
Source: #Phillies’ M. Young has cleared waivers. Can be traded to any team, but only if he approves. Full no-trade clause still in effect.
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Post by station13 on Aug 8, 2013 9:40:43 GMT -5
The Royals have been playing very well lately. Need to split or steal the series like they done all season.
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Post by bsout2 on Aug 8, 2013 10:09:31 GMT -5
Didn't see a trade thread not locked but Youngs cleared waivers. Rosenthall Source: #Phillies’ M. Young has cleared waivers. Can be traded to any team, but only if he approves. Full no-trade clause still in effect. And Young has been pulled from today's lineup. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 8, 2013 10:37:51 GMT -5
Didn't see a trade thread not locked but Youngs cleared waivers. Rosenthall Source: #Phillies’ M. Young has cleared waivers. Can be traded to any team, but only if he approves. Full no-trade clause still in effect. And Young has been pulled from today's lineup. Maybe that's why we haven't called up Xander or WMB. I'd probably give em Almanzar. Don't ever see him becoming a regular in Boston. Lineup guesses today? Who's batting 5th vs a lefty(Chen)? Gomes or Napoli?? Wouldn't mind seeing Lavarnway. He had a big double in the 15-10 win. |
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Post by semperfisox on Aug 8, 2013 11:01:33 GMT -5
don't want Young. Getting him means no Xander for a while.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 8, 2013 11:13:41 GMT -5
So they are concern about Xander's defense at 3B but would trade for Michael Young? I call that moronic.
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 8, 2013 11:24:06 GMT -5
So they are concern about Xander's defense at 3B but would trade for Michael Young? I call that moronic. Yeah, Michael Young is simply awful defensively third. He's also nothing more than a decent (and mostly singles) hitter these days. I'd take him for the playoff run over WMB, but with Bogaerts in the picture, I don't see the benefit in acquiring him. There's no way he'd be as valuable as Bogaerts, and I don't see Xander's development being put at risk anymore these days. As for the defense, have they said directly that it's a real concern? I wouldn't expect him to be phenomenal or anything over there, but I think he'll be just fine, even without much experience. There's not a significant difference between his experience there and the other guys we've been trotting out. |
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Post by bjb406 on Aug 8, 2013 11:25:18 GMT -5
please no, don't make me vomit.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 8, 2013 11:28:54 GMT -5
I used to feel the same negativity toward acquiring Young, but I've come around to think he'd be an ok pickup if they get him for next-to-nothing. As a hitter, Michael Young would provide essentially league-average production at third. And if there's one thing we've learned about Ben Cherington, it's that he believes strongly in the value of league-average over below-average, which is what the Sox have now at third. Young is also a bit of Napoli insurance if Napoli continues his brutal stretch.
Defense is a whole 'nother question. But it's not exactly apples to apples to compare Young's defense to Xander's. It's a lot tougher for a rookie to scuffle defensively than a long-time vet like Young.
Overall, I'd like to see Bogaerts, but I understand if the Sox think it's not fair to throw him out there at third now ... I'd disagree, probably, but they have more information than I do.
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 8, 2013 11:38:00 GMT -5
I used to feel the same negativity toward acquiring Young, but I've come around to think he'd be an ok pickup if they get him for next-to-nothing. As a hitter, Michael Young would provide essentially league-average production at third. And if there's one thing we've learned about Ben Cherington, it's that he believes strongly in the value of league-average over below-average, which is what the Sox have now at third. Young is also a bit of Napoli insurance if Napoli continues his brutal stretch. Eh, I agree he'd be a solid and average-ish hitter at the bottom third of the lineup, but I think we can at least match that with what we have in the system now. Holt's total value when you consider defense and base running probably isn't much lower than Young's. As for Napoli insurance, don't we have that in Nava and Carp and Snyder, especially when factoring in Gomes' capability of helping out here and there against RHP's? I'd certainly play two of those guys in a game over trading for Young. And Young isn't a solution to the difficulties hitting lefties either, as he has a measly .705 OPS against them this season. What do you mean? Yes, Xander would be prone to the "whoops" errors a lot more than Young, but I'd be shocked of he still wasn't significantly better than Young. UZR and DRS both agree that Young is at least 15 runs below average per 150 games at third base, with the latter stat leaning more towards 25 runs below average, and that's... pretty terrible. |
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 8, 2013 11:38:27 GMT -5
I don't see it happening. If the sox wanted Young they would've put in a claim and the Phillies would've let us have him.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 8, 2013 11:48:25 GMT -5
Eh, I agree he'd be a solid and average-ish hitter at the bottom third of the lineup, but I think we can at least match that with what we have in the system now. Holt's total value when you consider defense and base running probably isn't much lower than Young's. As for Napoli insurance, don't we have that in Nava and Carp, especially when factoring in Gomes' capability of helping out here and there against RHP's? I'd certainly play two of those three guys in a game over trading for Young. Well, Daniel Nava's got a .606 OPS as a right-handed batter, so I don't really think he's much Napoli insurance. But, honestly, that was a bit of a throwaway line on my part ... haven't thought about it too much. I don't mean that Xander's rookies status would make him a worse defender (or even equivalently bad), just that it's not an equivalent situation. If Xander doesn't feel comfortable at third, it makes the whole introduction to the major leagues tougher for him. That's just not true in Young's case. Let's face it, the dude is used to being bad at third base; it's not going to affect him one bit. Like I said, I tend to agree with you that I'd prefer Xander at third and not dealing with this, but I don't think it's outrageous to think the Sox have a valid point if they think it's not the right way to bring him up. So, assuming they get Young and it is a pain-free acquisition, I will assume that was the calculus the Sox used. But, really, I'm still hoping the Sox are convinced on Xander and are telling him right now to fly to Kansas City. edit to add: Really, this is all a long way of saying Young>Holt+Snyder, so if the Sox aren't ready to bring up Xander, I'm fine with getting him to play third over sticking with the blahtoon (who came up with that term? I like it!) |
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Post by bluechip on Aug 8, 2013 11:50:23 GMT -5
If the Red Sox get Young. A big IF, I would not be shocked if Bogaerts sits in the minors until mid April allowing the Red Sox to keep him for an additional year. Not saying I support that, just that I wouldn't be totally shocked.
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Post by bsout2 on Aug 8, 2013 11:50:46 GMT -5
I have a question. Why would Texas not put a claim in on him? They need a RH bat and are already paying 10 of his 16 mil contract? It is bizzare they would not just claim him.
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 8, 2013 12:01:39 GMT -5
Eh, I agree he'd be a solid and average-ish hitter at the bottom third of the lineup, but I think we can at least match that with what we have in the system now. Holt's total value when you consider defense and base running probably isn't much lower than Young's. As for Napoli insurance, don't we have that in Nava and Carp, especially when factoring in Gomes' capability of helping out here and there against RHP's? I'd certainly play two of those three guys in a game over trading for Young. Well, Daniel Nava's got a .606 OPS as a right-handed batter, so I don't really think he's much Napoli insurance. But, honestly, that was a bit of a throwaway line on my part ... haven't thought about it too much. I don't mean that Xander's rookies status would make him a worse defender (or even equivalently bad), just that it's not an equivalent situation. If Xander doesn't feel comfortable at third, it makes the whole introduction to the major leagues tougher for him. That's just not true in Young's case. Let's face it, the dude is used to being bad at third base; it's not going to affect him one bit. Like I said, I tend to agree with you that I'd prefer Xander at third and not dealing with this, but I don't think it's outrageous to think the Sox have a valid point if they think it's not the right way to bring him up. So, assuming they get Young and it is a pain-free acquisition, I will assume that was the calculus the Sox used. But, really, I'm still hoping the Sox are convinced on Xander and are telling him right now to fly to Kansas City. edit to add: Really, this is all a long way of saying Young>Holt+Snyder, so if the Sox aren't ready to bring up Xander, I'm fine with getting him to play third over sticking with the blahtoon (who came up with that term? I like it!) Wow, I knew about Nava's differences with hitting lefties vs. righties, but I didn't realize the stats were nearly that pronounced (I though it was more like .825/.650, but it's .854/.606). As for the Napoli insurance, yeah, it'd probably have to come from Snyder at first if a lefty is on the mound, but then again, if there's no Bogaerts at third, then you mitigate the potential benefit by running Holt out vs. the lefty. What about Middlebrooks? He was bad all-around this season, but his hitting was still a ton better against lefties than righties, as he posted a .234/.269/.406/.675 line against the former. FWIW with Bogaerts, he doesn't strike me as the type whose overall performance would take a hit as a result of unfamiliarity at a new position. I don't mean it wouldn't be a challenge to him, and one that wouldn't result in some gaffs here and there, but rather that he would relish the challenge. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 8, 2013 12:05:42 GMT -5
Royals are getting great pitching. Hitting isn't too scary. Greg Holland is have a great season as their closer. 30 saves. 44IP 29H WITH 12 BB AND 70 K'S. Might not be getting any 9th inning rallies this weekend. Sounds like he's as good as Koji  |
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Post by jdb on Aug 8, 2013 12:11:28 GMT -5
I agree I would rather have Xander than Young in the lineup now but could see a fit for next year. Maybe he is the RH hitter of a platoon at 1B with either Carp or Nava and gives us that veteran insurance if WMBs has a repeat of this year.
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Post by bsout2 on Aug 8, 2013 12:17:42 GMT -5
Royals are getting great pitching. Hitting isn't too scary. Greg Holland is have a great season as their closer. 30 saves. 44IP 29H WITH 12 BB AND 70 K'S. Might not be getting any 9th inning rallies this weekend. Sounds like he's as good as Koji Sounds like someone the Red Sox will trade for this winter. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 8, 2013 12:20:28 GMT -5
This is great. How often in August do you get pumped for a 4 games series vs the Royals? Looking ahead they have a 6 game west coast swing . The thing is its in the NL , so it's interesting to watch what Napoli does from here on out. By the way we need some more hitting and deeper bench. I believe bringing up WMB and Xander for 3b help and the extra bat. I am done complaint about Drew. I also believe it will reenergize WMB. Kind of like it did to Iggy. He was scuffling down in AAA and he got promoted and went nuts. How sweet will that be for the next 2 months? I love the pitching with the young help. Workman was a blip the other night. They may need to skip Dempster a start. I'm not trying to be mean or beat you up here, but you post this same line basically every day. The Red Sox are second in the majors in scoring (.02 runs per game behind the Tigers), and they've scored 22 runs in their last two games. They're second in the majors in batting average, first in OBP and second in SLG. They're first in walks. They have 27 more doubles than any other team. Somewhat incredibly, they are second in triples. The Red Sox are really, really good at hitting. They do not "need" more hitting. If they can upgrade third base internally, then that's cool - it's obviously good to upgrade any position if it doesn't cost anything. But their lineup really isn't a problem. Yeah I do post this every day. I use to also be on the Down on Drew but I all set with that. You can beat me up if you want I feel if I keep saying it , It will happen like when Dorothy Knicks her heels and says "there is no place like home". Another thing is I feel it is a weakness and I would like it plugged. You can go by stats I go by my eye test. It doesn't look right our 3b situation. I should correct myself but just saying 3b and I feel the bench needs another bat. I feel the bottom of the lineup tends to get exposed also. Not for nothing I not the only one harping on third base. |
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