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9/2-9/4 Red Sox vs. Tigers Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Sept 4, 2013 14:02:07 GMT -5
For all the Keith Law lovers, haters and apathygators, he has a piece in top Sept call-ups. Excerpt, which should create some lovely cognitive dissonance among the Xander-loving Law-haters: Bogaerts came up from Triple-A almost two weeks ago, apparently because the Red Sox believed they needed someone young and talented to waste away on their bench rather than get regular at-bats. Bogaerts' performance at two levels this season was outstanding when you consider his age (20), and I believe he has an even-money chance to start next year as the team's every-day shortstop, getting on base with nascent power that will eventually develop into 30-homer territory. For now, I'd just settle for seeing him play more regularly to help him start to adjust to major league pitching.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 4, 2013 14:34:54 GMT -5
Miggy sitting tonight.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 4, 2013 15:19:42 GMT -5
For all the Keith Law lovers, haters and apathygators, he has a piece in top Sept call-ups. Excerpt, which should create some lovely cognitive dissonance among the Xander-loving Law-haters: Bogaerts came up from Triple-A almost two weeks ago, apparently because the Red Sox believed they needed someone young and talented to waste away on their bench rather than get regular at-bats. Bogaerts' performance at two levels this season was outstanding when you consider his age (20), and I believe he has an even-money chance to start next year as the team's every-day shortstop, getting on base with nascent power that will eventually develop into 30-homer territory. For now, I'd just settle for seeing him play more regularly to help him start to adjust to major league pitching. Not the biggest Law fan, but he is absolutely right. At the very least he should be utilized more as a pinch hitter over guys like Napoli.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 4, 2013 16:27:27 GMT -5
The best argument for bringing him up has already been mentioned but it bears repeating. It's not a bad idea to give the kid a feel for playoff baseball. That's explicitly because he's likely the man at shortstop next year from the get-go. He gets to watch - and participate - in the ultimate sports pressure cooker: win or go home.
We'll see whether he makes the playoff roster. But if not, there should be more than enough excitement from here to the end of the regular season for him to get an idea of what it's like. When he does get into a game, it doesn't seem to be affecting his hitting, either. And while it might be nice to have him get a few more AAA at-bats, even while he's on the bench he gets to watch - and learn - the pitchers the team goes up against with the dugout giving him the lowdown as it happens. That's not a small thing.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 4, 2013 17:12:40 GMT -5
The best argument for bringing him up has already been mentioned but it bears repeating. It's not a bad idea to give the kid a feel for playoff baseball. That's explicitly because he's likely the man at shortstop next year from the get-go. He gets to watch - and participate - in the ultimate sports pressure cooker: win or go home. We'll see whether he makes the playoff roster. But if not, there should be more than enough excitement from here to the end of the regular season for him to get an idea of what it's like. When he does get into a game, it doesn't seem to be affecting his hitting, either. And while it might be nice to have him get a few more AAA at-bats, even while he's on the bench he gets to watch - and learn - the pitchers the team goes up against with the dugout giving him the lowdown as it happens. That's not a small thing. If they are thinking about keeping him on the roster, some pinch-hit ABs in high leverage situations won't hurt. At least he'll have 'been there done that' a few times. I thought there was a chance Farrell was going to go to him over Napoli last night for just that reason. We'll see.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 4, 2013 17:18:34 GMT -5
It's one thing to blow a 2-1 lead in the 7th, but it's quite another thing to blow a 2-1 lead in the 9th, just 3 outs from victory So, you promise not to whine on this board if the Red Sox lose a game 2-3 (with Uehara not entering the game at any point) after entering the 7th inning with a 2-1 lead and blowing it therein? Me, I don't see the difference at all. First off, I don't "whine" if the Sox lose. Lose your condescending attitude toward me - I don't particularly appreciate it. I call a spade a spade. If they play like crap, I say they play like crap. If they play well like they did last night, I say they played well. I don't get paid to be a cheerleader and say, "Rah, rah! Yeah team" no matter what. I'll root for them thru thick and thin, though as I have for the past 33 years. There is a difference. Secondly, I'd be really ticked off if the Sox used Koji to get a key out in the 7th, he preserves the lead, the Sox still hold the lead into the 9th and then Tazawa or whoever screws up the lead because Koji isn't available to pitch the 9th. A 7th inning deficit is easier to make up than a 9th inning one, particularly if you don't have the chance to come back. And I get that either way a loss is a loss but as a fan walkoff/9th inning losses stink a lot worse than having middle relief fail in the 6th or 7th inning. Sorry it annoys you that I have enjoyed the Maalox free moments of Koji closing out the game. He's been a delight to watch. Or perhaps you enjoy the high wire acts of the 9th inning. If that's the case too bad we don't have Koji getting key outs in the 6th or 7th so Bailey or Hanrahan can torpedo the game in the 9th (or at least drive me crazy getting the cardiac save). Koji's season is a rarity. Enjoy it. It doesn't come around too often.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 4, 2013 17:32:48 GMT -5
So, you promise not to whine on this board if the Red Sox lose a game 2-3 (with Uehara not entering the game at any point) after entering the 7th inning with a 2-1 lead and blowing it therein? Me, I don't see the difference at all. First off, I don't "whine" if the Sox lose. Lose your condescending attitude toward me - I don't particularly appreciate it. I call a spade a spade. If they play like crap, I say they play like crap. If they play well like they did last night, I say they played well. I don't get paid to be a cheerleader and say, "Rah, rah! Yeah team" no matter what. I'll root for them thru thick and thin, though as I have for the past 33 years. There is a difference. Secondly, I'd be really ticked off if the Sox used Koji to get a key out in the 7th, he preserves the lead, the Sox still hold the lead into the 9th and then Tazawa or whoever screws up the lead because Koji isn't available to pitch the 9th. A 7th inning deficit is easier to make up than a 9th inning one, particularly if you don't have the chance to come back. And I get that either way a loss is a loss but as a fan walkoff/9th inning losses stink a lot worse than having middle relief fail in the 6th or 7th inning. Sorry it annoys you that I have enjoyed the Maalox free moments of Koji closing out the game. He's been a delight to watch. Or perhaps you enjoy the high wire acts of the 9th inning. If that's the case too bad we don't have Koji getting key outs in the 6th or 7th so Bailey or Hanrahan can torpedo the game in the 9th (or at least drive me crazy getting the cardiac save). Koji's season is a rarity. Enjoy it. It doesn't come around too often. He does that to everyone... just ignore him. I completely agree.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 4, 2013 17:52:28 GMT -5
There are two closer conventions to be discussed here. One is the "designated closer" and the other is the "proven closer." The designated closer - the Dennis Eckersley/Mariano Rivera last dude out of the bullpen - isn't something I necessarily have a huge problem with. I think managers should use that pitcher for six or seven outs sometimes, in tie games always, and with three-run leads for three outs close to never, but on a basic level the idea of having an anchor in the bullpen to give everyone else a frame of reference isn't a terrible idea.
The proven closer, on the other hand, has been thoroughly debunked this year. Of the 10 teams currently in playoff position, five are using closers that were never closers before. On a more local level, the Red Sox had to burn their two "proven" closers to get to the one who is actually the best pitcher into the role. You can't find Koji Uehara's every day, but overpaying, either in dollars or bodies, for a player because he has a supposed "ninth-inning mentality" should never, ever, ever be done again.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 4, 2013 18:24:32 GMT -5
Always nice to get a reminder of the Julio Lugo signing.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 4, 2013 18:39:02 GMT -5
The best argument for bringing him up has already been mentioned but it bears repeating. It's not a bad idea to give the kid a feel for playoff baseball. That's explicitly because he's likely the man at shortstop next year from the get-go. He gets to watch - and participate - in the ultimate sports pressure cooker: win or go home. We'll see whether he makes the playoff roster. But if not, there should be more than enough excitement from here to the end of the regular season for him to get an idea of what it's like. When he does get into a game, it doesn't seem to be affecting his hitting, either. And while it might be nice to have him get a few more AAA at-bats, even while he's on the bench he gets to watch - and learn - the pitchers the team goes up against with the dugout giving him the lowdown as it happens. That's not a small thing. If they are thinking about keeping him on the roster, some pinch-hit ABs in high leverage situations won't hurt. At least he'll have 'been there done that' a few times. I thought there was a chance Farrell was going to go to him over Napoli last night for just that reason. We'll see. aa He would gain more experience by pinch hitting and playing. While, he might not be appreciably better than Drew, Napoli, Carp, Middlebrooks, ect., he is not appreciably worse either. The team is benefitted long term by getting Bogaerts exposure to be league pitching. The benefit of gaining experience against live pitching is much more beneficial than the amorphous concept of being exposed to the playoff atmosphere.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 4, 2013 18:42:00 GMT -5
Pink jersey.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 4, 2013 18:55:46 GMT -5
Dempster will have no part of that whole having the lead thing.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 4, 2013 18:56:32 GMT -5
Dempster. Here's hoping you will be so unnecessary by this time next week.
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Post by mantush on Sept 4, 2013 18:56:35 GMT -5
Ryan Dempster is great at baseball, said the other team always.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 4, 2013 19:00:33 GMT -5
Serious question: what would Dempster's role be if the Sox were to make the playoffs?
He's not good enough to start for this team, and I don't really see his stuff playing up much in the bullpen. Hopefully he gets really good at handing out the water.
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Post by mantush on Sept 4, 2013 19:01:49 GMT -5
He probably won't be on the post season roster. Also, Victor Martinez is fun to watch. Five minute at-bat and 11 pitches.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 4, 2013 19:11:17 GMT -5
Tie game?
Not if Dempster has something to say about it.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 4, 2013 19:17:57 GMT -5
Seriously, Dump Dempster.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 4, 2013 19:22:51 GMT -5
Can we have Workman please before a winnable game becomes not so?
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Post by mantush on Sept 4, 2013 19:23:46 GMT -5
Meh. WMB should have went home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 19:27:21 GMT -5
Left handed hitters pounding Porcello. Get Dumpster out, he has nothing and is tipping all his pitches.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 4, 2013 19:30:45 GMT -5
Get Napoli out and let Carp hit. I mean really.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 4, 2013 19:32:16 GMT -5
Hopefully Farrell just puts in Workman in there next inning. Dempster's ERA is on its way to 5. Just killing his trade value if we ever try to dump him. We may be stuck with him next year otherwise.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 4, 2013 19:33:36 GMT -5
Rick Sutcliffe: "Iglesias won't hit .300 this year."
Aaron F-ing Boone: "He's hitting .300 right now."
Great commentary. Thank God for Dave O'Brien.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 4, 2013 19:34:19 GMT -5
Nice base running by Drew there.
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