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10/7 Red Sox @ Rays ALDS Game 3 Thread
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Oct 7, 2013 7:13:41 GMT -5
10/7 Red Sox (RHP Clay Buchholz) @ Rays (RHP Alex Cobb) 6:07 pm ET, TBS/WEEI ALDS Game 3Season SeriesRed Sox won 12-7 over the Rays How they got here?Red Sox 97-65 AL East Champions Rays 92-71 Beat Texas in AL Wild Card 1-game tiebreaker and Cleveland in 1-game Wild Card playoff Playoff HistoryPlayoff Appearances: 22 (Last in 2009) Last World Series Title: 2007 over Colorado Last playoff meeting with Tampa: 2008 ALCS won by Tampa in 7 games MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 7, 2013 7:18:55 GMT -5
A healthy Clay Buchholz gives the Sox an excellent chance at a sweep. No cow bells please!
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Oct 7, 2013 8:11:40 GMT -5
Want to see a good game from Clay and a sweep. I think a good game from him moves him into Game 2 in the ALCS.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 7, 2013 8:53:17 GMT -5
Want to see a good game from Clay and a sweep. I think a good game from him moves him into Game 2 in the ALCS. I was annoyed that he was 3rd in this series, although it worked out last game. But maybe there's a good reason to have him pitch #3 in the next series, haven't really thought about it. But he's clearly their best pitcher and possibly the best pitcher in the playoffs (along with Kershaw), so anything to get him more starts is good by me. A lot of pressure on Alex Cobb today: pitch against the best offense in baseball in an elimination game when the opposing pitcher is Clay Buchholz.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 7, 2013 9:13:32 GMT -5
Lackey's struggles are concerning for sure. Buchholz has been good but still a little rusty since he's come back. Lots of walks but not too many big hits given up.
I think Clay will have a good start tonight. 1-4 our rotation is as good as anyone except maybe Detroit. If we can get into the next round and Oakland beats Detroit I really like our chances.
Hopefully LA loses as well at some point.
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Post by nexus on Oct 7, 2013 11:12:50 GMT -5
I was annoyed that he was 3rd in this series, although it worked out last game. But maybe there's a good reason to have him pitch #3 in the next series, haven't really thought about it. But he's clearly their best pitcher and possibly the best pitcher in the playoffs (along with Kershaw), so anything to get him more starts is good by me. A lot of pressure on Alex Cobb today: pitch against the best offense in baseball in an elimination game when the opposing pitcher is Clay Buchholz. I'm sure Buchholz and Lackey were swapped because of home/away splits. Lackey was significantly better at Fenway this year while Buchholz has made his living pitching at Tropicana Field and Rogers Centre.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 7, 2013 11:38:37 GMT -5
I wonder, if Sox make it to the next round, it flips and Buccholz is 2nd with Lackey getting the big park on the road (Det/Oak).
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 7, 2013 11:55:50 GMT -5
I was annoyed that he was 3rd in this series, although it worked out last game. But maybe there's a good reason to have him pitch #3 in the next series, haven't really thought about it. But he's clearly their best pitcher and possibly the best pitcher in the playoffs (along with Kershaw), so anything to get him more starts is good by me. A lot of pressure on Alex Cobb today: pitch against the best offense in baseball in an elimination game when the opposing pitcher is Clay Buchholz. I'm sure Buchholz and Lackey were swapped because of home/away splits. Lackey was significantly better at Fenway this year while Buchholz has made his living pitching at Tropicana Field and Rogers Centre. Yeah, I don't doubt that ... it's why I qualified by statement about the next series. I think that's a valid reason for the switch, but I still disagreed with it. I think you can over-think stuff like those splits, and Clay's their best pitcher, so he should pitch as often as it works with the schedule. And the way this series works out, either Lester or Lackey are now lined up to pitch Game 5 on regular rest or more, but not Buchholz. Plus, I figured (wrongly!) that the Sox would need to hold the Rays down to keep up with Price in Game 2. But, since the next series is 7 games, and all of the top 3 pitchers line up to pitch twice if it goes to seven games, I'm less concerned about what order the first three are in. Anyway, just win today and get this series over with quickly, then we can all kvetch over details like this for a few days before the next series.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 7, 2013 12:14:08 GMT -5
If the Sox do win tonight's game, then Peavy is out of the loop. And are we then going to start off the ALCS with Lester/Lackey/Buchholz in tome order, slotting Peavy 4th and having him not pitch in anger in over 2 weeks?
In a certain perverse sense it may be better for the Sox to lose tonight, win game 4 behind Peavy, and slot the starters for the next series however you like, with everyone on at least a close-to-normal schedule.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 7, 2013 12:17:06 GMT -5
Hopefully LA loses as well at some point. They lost Game 2.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 7, 2013 12:21:40 GMT -5
I wonder, if Sox make it to the next round, it flips and Buccholz is 2nd with Lackey getting the big park on the road (Det/Oak). It will obviously depend some on how long this series goes, but if the Sox are able to finish it up today my gut is they keep it the same rotation, lining up for Lackey to get two starts in Fenway (Games 2 & 6) where they like him, and Buchholz would be set for Game 7.
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Post by jmei on Oct 7, 2013 12:26:12 GMT -5
If the Sox do win tonight's game, then Peavy is out of the loop. And are we then going to start off the ALCS with Lester/Lackey/Buchholz in tome order, slotting Peavy 4th and having him not pitch in anger in over 2 weeks? In a certain perverse sense it may be better for the Sox to lose tonight, win game 4 behind Peavy, and slot the starters for the next series however you like, with everyone on at least a close-to-normal schedule. Peavy is a big boy. I trust that he and the coaching staff can figure out a routine to keep him ready. Yes, it would in theory be nice to get Peavy a real start, but Peavy v. Hellickson looks more like a draw than a mismatch in Boston's favor, and I'd rather not risk getting to a game five.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 7, 2013 13:28:56 GMT -5
Hopefully LA loses as well at some point. They lost Game 2. I may be getting ahead of myself here but I meant hopefully they get eliminated from the playoffs either vs the braves or the next series. Not just because I think they're the toughest match up but also because I do not want to see them win. It would be sweet to beat them in the world series though, wouldn't it?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 7, 2013 13:33:23 GMT -5
I'd love a Dodgers/Red Sox World Series, two teams with rich histories, flagship franchises for baseball, Punto Trade recent history, Boston vs LA ... great stuff. If Buchholz and Kershaw line up, even better, that's some quality baseball right there.
And, really, teams should be hoping to avoid the Red Sox, not the other way around. Screw 'em. Anyone can win a short series, might as well just have the most fun as a fan along the way ...
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Post by nexus on Oct 7, 2013 13:33:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't doubt that ... it's why I qualified by statement about the next series. I think that's a valid reason for the switch, but I still disagreed with it. I think you can over-think stuff like those splits, and Clay's their best pitcher, so he should pitch as often as it works with the schedule. And the way this series works out, either Lester or Lackey are now lined up to pitch Game 5 on regular rest or more, but not Buchholz. Plus, I figured (wrongly!) that the Sox would need to hold the Rays down to keep up with Price in Game 2. But, since the next series is 7 games, and all of the top 3 pitchers line up to pitch twice if it goes to seven games, I'm less concerned about what order the first three are in. Anyway, just win today and get this series over with quickly, then we can all kvetch over details like this for a few days before the next series. I dunno. Just from listening to Farrell, I get the sense he feels Buchholz isn't quite in mid-season form despite positive overall results. Three months is a long time. He struggled with FB command the first two starts back. His last start in Baltimore was better, but he was also in cruise control sitting 89-90 after the offense erupted. Lester, meanwhile, pretty much pitched like a staff ace from the AS break onward. I had no problem with the decision. But I'm with you. Just pitch well enough to get the win tonight and worry about future matchups later.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 7, 2013 13:40:39 GMT -5
I'd love a Dodgers/Red Sox World Series, two teams with rich histories, flagship franchises for baseball, Punto Trade recent history, Boston vs LA ... great stuff. If Buchholz and Kershaw line up, even better, that's some quality baseball right there. And, really, teams should be hoping to avoid the Red Sox, not the other way around. Screw 'em. Anyone can win a short series, might as well just have the most fun as a fan along the way ... I would be rooting against LA regardless. Even if we lose I would still be rooting for the same teams to win - Oakland, Pittsburgh, and Atlanta. None of them have won recently. STL I wouldn't mind facing in the WS I think we would kill them again to be perfectly honest.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 7, 2013 13:57:11 GMT -5
But the Red Sox have to get past the boogeyman Rays first. I don't see how thats possible.
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Post by ramireja on Oct 7, 2013 14:15:10 GMT -5
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves boys.....anything can happen
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 7, 2013 14:25:36 GMT -5
But the Red Sox have to get past the boogeyman Rays first. I don't see how thats possible. Anyone can beat anyone at this point, all good teams. I'll admit I was pessimistic about the Rays but stopped posting because it was irritating a few people. Part of it was because its a 5 game series. They scared me the most of anyone and I like our chances a lot in any 7 game series.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 7, 2013 14:30:08 GMT -5
But the Red Sox have to get past the boogeyman Rays first. I don't see how thats possible. They have David Price. Sox should just forfeit and save everyone's time.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 7, 2013 14:49:23 GMT -5
I would be rooting against LA regardless. Even if we lose I would still be rooting for the same teams to win - Oakland, Pittsburgh, and Atlanta. None of them have won recently. STL I wouldn't mind facing in the WS I think we would kill them again to be perfectly honest. Teams I want to see win the World Series, in order of preference: 1) Boston Red Sox 2) I don't care When it comes to sports, I'm the biggest homer there can be. I really couldn't care less who else wins if it's not the Red Sox. I sometimes don't even notice until later in the offseason. I guess the only exception is that I'll actively root *against* the Yankees or the Rays. Not that I'll get a chance to root against the Yankees in the playoffs anytime soon ...
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Post by Guidas on Oct 7, 2013 15:49:40 GMT -5
Lineupage:
Ellsbury CF, Victorino RF, Pedroia 2B, Ortiz DH, Napoli 1B, Nava LF, Salty C, Drew SS, Middlebrooks 3B. Buchholz P
I'm in the same boat, rooting-wise, as brianthetaoist: If one of my teams isn't in the playoffs I don't even care.
Go Sox.
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Post by okin15 on Oct 7, 2013 16:06:01 GMT -5
One part of me thinks it's more fun to face the best teams on the way to and in the WS. When you play the best teams, and beat them (big if) then it's that much more satisfying. I still count the 2003 ALCS as the best series of any type in any sport of my life-time. Bugger that we lost though.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2013 16:36:56 GMT -5
But the Red Sox have to get past the boogeyman Rays first. I don't see how thats possible. Anyone can beat anyone at this point, all good teams. I'll admit I was pessimistic about the Rays but stopped posting because it was irritating a few people. Part of it was because its a 5 game series. They scared me the most of anyone and I like our chances a lot in any 7 game series. Despite what everybody else here thinks, I don't think it's pessimistic if you honestly think the Sox are going to lose. It's pessimistic if you think the Sox will always lose no matter what just because. If the Sox advance I think they can beat the A's (and I'm not saying that because I'm a Red Sox fan - I just think the Sox are a better team), but I'd pick the Tigers over the Sox if that scenario plays out, although with Cabrera not himself the opening is there for the Sox if they can hit that pitching enough. I'm talking from an objective viewpoint, not a homerish viewpoint. As far as this series, the Red Sox win the series when they win the series. Dan Shaughnessy, the CHB, has already declared the series over so it must be over. Glad Edes and Gammons called him out on that. It's impossible that Tampa Bay wins their homes and takes Game 5 with Price actually pitching a gem? No, it's possible, but of course if they play anything like they've been playing they won't even see game 4. How many times have the Red Sox been declared dead and buried after being down 2-0 in the ALDS? And looked terrible in losing both games? Until the Sox apply the knockout punch, it's still on and listening to the Sox players, they know it. They've got the right attitude. They know they can't let up. They're acting like professionals while the Rays are playing and acting like babies (well at least Price anyways). This bodes well for the Sox.
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 7, 2013 16:46:52 GMT -5
One part of me thinks it's more fun to face the best teams on the way to and in the WS. When you play the best teams, and beat them (big if) then it's that much more satisfying. I still count the 2003 ALCS as the best series of any type in any sport of my life-time. Bugger that we lost though. That's how I've always looked at it. The 75 World Series is still my favorite even though the Sox lost. Gave the big red machine all they could handle and all these years later it still feels like a win, I was also sure the Sox would win in 67 even though my dad told me Mr. Gibson was better than gentleman Jim. He was right ,but they almost pulled it off. Now don't get me wrong, I'll take a World Series win for the Sox any way it comes, but I enjoy watching the best teams fight it out.
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