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10/7 Red Sox @ Rays ALDS Game 3 Thread
wcp3
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 7, 2013 21:33:57 GMT -5
You know what would have been nice? Ortiz facing Rodney in the 9th, whom he owns.
The Red Sox better blow out the Rays in Game 4, because Farrell will blow it if it's not.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 7, 2013 21:34:11 GMT -5
Well, skipped my first class of the year for that. I don't even know what to say. I want to keep ripping Farrell, but I should probably just shut up at this point and do something else for the rest of the night. Peavy vs. Helickson tomorrow points in our favor, but... I don't know, say what you want about momentum, that was pretty devastating. Up to Peaves, I guess.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 7, 2013 21:35:58 GMT -5
Pardon my french, but that made no fucking sense whatsoever.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2013 21:36:38 GMT -5
I figured this series wasn't over. Didn't trust the bullpen - just didn't think Koji would become human - and now Peavy who hasn't pitched in about 2 weeks should be as rusty as Buchholz looked. Hopefully Hellickson will be so bad, but it could be another bullpen showdown and that doesn't make me feel too good. And I don't want to see Price get another shot at the Sox in Game 5. This was a bad loss.
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Post by jmei on Oct 7, 2013 21:37:00 GMT -5
Well, skipped my first class of the year for that. I don't even know what to say. I want to keep ripping Farrell, but I should probably just shut up at this point and do something else for the rest of the night. Peavy vs. Helickson tomorrow points in our favor, but... I don't know, say what you want about momentum, that was pretty devastating. Up to Peaves, I guess. Pretty good chance that Moore comes back on three days' rest. If the Red Sox lose this series, I want Farrell fired. I don't care how great he is over the rest of the year. If he is unable or unwilling to make the right tactical decision in a win-or-go-home decision, he shouldn't be managing.
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Post by bsout2 on Oct 7, 2013 21:37:14 GMT -5
I don't like the Red Sox chances. They are going to have to score a bunch tomorrow, I'm thinking 7 runs to win.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 7, 2013 21:39:42 GMT -5
Well, skipped my first class of the year for that. I don't even know what to say. I want to keep ripping Farrell, but I should probably just shut up at this point and do something else for the rest of the night. Peavy vs. Helickson tomorrow points in our favor, but... I don't know, say what you want about momentum, that was pretty devastating. Up to Peaves, I guess. Pretty good chance that Moore comes back on three days' rest. If the Red Sox lose this series, I want Farrell fired. I don't care how great he is over the rest of the year. If he is unable or unwilling to make the right tactical decision in a win-or-go-home decision, he shouldn't be managing. Definitely a possibility. If so, you HAVE to start Bogaerts (and Ross), right? Got to imagine someone in the organization is going to sit down with Farrell and have a very serious talk about this, right? I'm not sure how it works inside an organization with discussing/criticizing/evaluating strategy with the manager, but man, you can't tell me Cherington wasn't watching this with his mind exploding.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 7, 2013 21:39:44 GMT -5
That was garbage. Jose Freaking Lobaton takes Uehara deep.
Pinch-ran for Ortiz too soon. I understand at home in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th.
Red Sox are in deep, deep trouble.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 7, 2013 21:42:17 GMT -5
Whose excited to face Matt Moore and David Price. Give me Matt Moore on 3-days rest the way he has been pitching lately.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 7, 2013 21:42:17 GMT -5
Chill out dudes, this was a nervous and illogical game. Drew is Farrell's homie and he's not going to get PH for. Pinch running for Papi is undefendable, but so was Maddon giving up the DH. It worked in hindsight, but it's a stupid idea. I guess that's all managers in a nutshell.
This team is too tough to give it up because of a rough night. If we face that previous Moore, on short rest no less, we'll be fine. Everybody chill. Don't panic until it's game 5 time.
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Post by nationinthesouth on Oct 7, 2013 21:42:27 GMT -5
some help from the numbers guys....what are McGhee's reverse splits?
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 7, 2013 21:43:26 GMT -5
some help from the numbers guys....what are McGhee's reverse splits? I'm baffled by that one. McGee has reverse splits in a very small sample this year but over the course of his career it just isn't accurate. EDIT: I got the wrong stats from yahoo, must be a glitch. Carry on.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 7, 2013 21:44:41 GMT -5
The Red Sox have shown they have bounced back from tough loses so they can do it again. Farrell is just showing he's a rookie manager, in these type of situations.
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Post by preston on Oct 7, 2013 21:44:57 GMT -5
Chill out dudes, this was a nervous and illogical game. Drew is Farrell's homie and he's not going to get PH for. Pinch running for Papi is undefendable, but so was Maddon giving up the DH. It worked in hindsight, but it's a stupid idea. I guess that's all managers in a nutshell. This team is too tough to give it up because of a rough night. If we face that previous Moore, on short rest no less, we'll be fine. Everybody chill. Don't panic until it's game 5 time. Yeah, I agree, but it's so frustrating to watch Farrell willingly ignore the fact that Drew can't produce against lefties. There is no excuse.
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Post by jmei on Oct 7, 2013 21:45:02 GMT -5
some help from the numbers guys....what are McGhee's reverse splits? He's very effective against both lefties and righties. Career .590 OPS versus righties, .632 OPS versus lefties.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 7, 2013 21:46:07 GMT -5
some help from the numbers guys....what are McGhee's reverse splits? In 2013: vs. RHB: .217/.287/.362/.648, 10/52 UBB/K vs. LHP: .235/.295/.383/.678, 7/23 UBB/K Good either way, but both career and 2013 backup the reverse splits.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 7, 2013 21:47:16 GMT -5
We got out-coached tonight.
The screwy bullpen management and pinch hitting was some of the worst I've seen from Farrell all season.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 7, 2013 21:50:16 GMT -5
I like our chances in game 4 though. Peavy vs Hell boy or Moore on short rest is still pretty good for us.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 7, 2013 21:50:26 GMT -5
Chill out dudes, this was a nervous and illogical game. Drew is Farrell's homie and he's not going to get PH for. Pinch running for Papi is undefendable, but so was Maddon giving up the DH. It worked in hindsight, but it's a stupid idea. I guess that's all managers in a nutshell. This team is too tough to give it up because of a rough night. If we face that previous Moore, on short rest no less, we'll be fine. Everybody chill. Don't panic until it's game 5 time. Yeah, I agree, but it's so frustrating to watch Farrell willingly ignore the fact that Drew can't produce against lefties. There is no excuse. Yeah, but like Norbit said, Farrell is a rookie manager. Plus, Stephen Drew got that Kevin Costner shit going on, and Field of Dreams was cash money. Can't get mad over that one. Plus, Lobaton was guessing. He made a right guess. But think about it for what it is. That was about as unlikely as Michelle Obama leaving his husband for Ian McKellen. Won't happen again and it is what it is, Game 4 against a very good Rays team. Is it a Game 4 that could have been avoided? We'll never know, it's a guess that's just about as good as Lobaton's.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 7, 2013 21:53:02 GMT -5
That was garbage. Jose Freaking Lobaton takes Uehara deep. Pinch-ran for Ortiz too soon. I understand at home in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th. Red Sox are in deep, deep trouble. Not garbage. During the last 3 years, virtually the only way anyone has scored on Uehara is to run into one of his pitches and hit it out. He's basically had 3 years of NO sustained offense against him. And any major league hitter with any strength is capable of hitting one out if the ball happens to track where he's swinging.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 7, 2013 21:57:27 GMT -5
Rob Bradford ?@bradfo 13m Farrell cited McGee being dominant against righty hitters and Drew being good fastball hitter reason didn't pinch-hit Bogaerts
Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 13m Farrell said he had "no hesitation" sticking with Drew against McGee. He called the homer Uehara gave up "the unforeseen."
Tom Caron ?@tomcaron 7m "I really believe Hellickson is ready for tomorrow," Joe Maddon.
John Tomase ?@jtomase 17m Farrell: "Tomorrow night, we'll be right here, ready to go."
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 20m 4 career postseason IP for Koji. 4 HR. Um …
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 7, 2013 22:02:07 GMT -5
Well, skipped my first class of the year for that. I don't even know what to say. I want to keep ripping Farrell, but I should probably just shut up at this point and do something else for the rest of the night. Peavy vs. Helickson tomorrow points in our favor, but... I don't know, say what you want about momentum, that was pretty devastating. Up to Peaves, I guess. Pretty good chance that Moore comes back on three days' rest. If the Red Sox lose this series, I want Farrell fired. I don't care how great he is over the rest of the year. If he is unable or unwilling to make the right tactical decision in a win-or-go-home decision, he shouldn't be managing. There is a -40% chance that Farrell gets fired. ZERO More to this loss then Farrell. How about clay throwing a shit pitch?
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 7, 2013 22:03:18 GMT -5
If the Red Sox lose this series, I want Farrell fired. I don't care how great he is over the rest of the year. If he is unable or unwilling to make the right tactical decision in a win-or-go-home decision, he shouldn't be managing. No, you sit down and have a long talk with him, then you find a bench coach who he trusts and who's a brilliant tactician. There are political scientists who think the presidency has become too complex for one man to handle. In the same way, there's no good reason why you have to package your long-term, preparation, attitude, tone-setting guy and your in-game tactics wizard in one mind and body. When you think about it, those are two very different sets of cognitive skills. Farrell has demonstrated that he's superb at the long-haul aspects, and it's asking too much of him to be tactics master. So split the duties. You could probably find someone with enough tactical savvy (and the ability to sell Farrell on his ideas, since all moves are ultimately Farrell's call) that the sum would be even better than Tito, who did excel at both.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 7, 2013 22:03:53 GMT -5
Pretty good chance that Moore comes back on three days' rest. If the Red Sox lose this series, I want Farrell fired. I don't care how great he is over the rest of the year. If he is unable or unwilling to make the right tactical decision in a win-or-go-home decision, he shouldn't be managing. There is a -40% chance that Farrell gets fired. ZERO No one suggested that he may actually get fired.
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Post by jmei on Oct 7, 2013 22:06:04 GMT -5
If the Red Sox lose this series, I want Farrell fired. I don't care how great he is over the rest of the year. If he is unable or unwilling to make the right tactical decision in a win-or-go-home decision, he shouldn't be managing. No, you sit down and have a long talk with him, then you find a bench coach who he trusts and who's a brilliant tactician. There are political scientists who think the presidency has become too complex for one man to handle. In the same way, there's no good reason why you have to package your long-term, preparation, attitude, tone-setting guy and your in-game tactics wizard in one mind and body. When you think about it, those are two very different sets of cognitive skills. Farrell has demonstrated that he's superb at the long-haul aspects, and it's asking too much of him to be tactics master. So split the duties. You could probably find someone with enough tactical savvy (and the ability to sell Farrell on his ideas, since all moves are ultimately Farrell's call) that the sum would be even better than Tito, who did excel at both. Yes, this is the logical way to proceed. Still, if you're Ben Cherington or even John Henry, how do you avoid leaving several angry voicemail messages on Farrell's phone tonight?
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