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Boston Celtics 2013-14 Season
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Post by jmei on Mar 6, 2014 22:37:08 GMT -5
I **adore** Stauskas and think he's going to be a very good NBA player. He's a fairly polished player and can help an NBA team from day 1 with just his ability to stretch the floor, but I also think he has more upside than a lot of analysts give him credit for. He's still relatively young but has already flashed impressive high-level court vision and the ability to attack the rim off pick-and-rolls and by attacking closeouts (and either finish at the rim, draw a foul, or make the right interior pass). That herky-jerky off-the-bounce game is reminiscent of Goran Dragic and is going to play up at the NBA level. His average athleticism and length ultimately limit his upside some, and he's never going to be a plus defender, but that's why he's going mid-first-round instead of top 10. He reminds me a lot of Kevin Martin (with a little more passing ability) or a less athletic Dragic.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 7, 2014 0:02:47 GMT -5
I **adore** Stauskas and think he's going to be a very good NBA player. He's a fairly polished player and can help an NBA team from day 1 with just his ability to stretch the floor, but I also think he has more upside than a lot of analysts give him credit for. He's still relatively young but has already flashed impressive high-level court vision and the ability to attack the rim off pick-and-rolls and by attacking closeouts (and either finish at the rim, draw a foul, or make the right interior pass). That herky-jerky off-the-bounce game is reminiscent of Goran Dragic and is going to play up at the NBA level. His average athleticism and length ultimately limit his upside some, and he's never going to be a plus defender, but that's why he's going mid-first-round instead of top 10. He reminds me a lot of Kevin Martin (with a little more passing ability) or a less athletic Dragic. I love his offensive game and I do believe he'll be a great rotation player, but saying he's never going to be a plus defender is putting it slightly. He's already atrocious at college level, so that does not bode well for his pro future. He strikes me more as a better TIMMEEEER Fredette. I mean, even Kevin Martin can at least stay relatively in front of guys.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 7, 2014 7:58:38 GMT -5
A lot of defense is effort and desire so it really depends on him and the team he's on. Remember when KG was here he had a lot of poor defenders playing solid D. Hump and Bass are "bad" defensive players who, early on while motivated this year, were playing very good D. Stauskas will have limited defensive upside for sure, but if he is part of the right defensive group and properly motivated, he doesn't have to be a liability. Regardless, his offensive ability makes him an asset who if performs as we project will be a very valuable trade piece in a year or two, even if he's not a perfect longterm fit for the finished product. This draft should be all about valuable assets and nothing about longterm fit.
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Post by jmei on Mar 7, 2014 11:35:21 GMT -5
Stauskas doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of anyone and needs to add some strength, but as rjp alludes to, I think he'll be a accepter team defender. With the current ban on hand-checking, there aren't more than a handful of guys who can consistently stay in front of the quicker guards in the league, and he just needs to learn to channel them towards help and take away their strong hand to be an adequate defender at the next level. I picked Kevin Martin precisely because he's a guy who is widely regarded as a black hole defensively yet is still seen as a good role player because he's so good offensively.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 7, 2014 13:22:55 GMT -5
Not that it matters but that mock is incorrect. Boston wouldn't have the 15th pick. Atlanta would. C's would have 17th as Atlanta has the righ to switch with Brooklyn and Boston gets the worse of the ATL/BRK picks.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 23, 2014 12:48:05 GMT -5
Wiggins looks like Paul George without the D, dear God.
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Post by jbberlo on Mar 23, 2014 13:34:00 GMT -5
i havent been watching today but wiggins is normally a really good defender.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 23, 2014 16:40:54 GMT -5
i havent been watching today but wiggins is normally a really good defender. I watched him a few times, he's good there, wouldn't call him really good. He's likely to hold his own in the NBA level. Paul George, on the other hand, might be the best defensive SF in the NBA but with a streaky offense. All in all I haven't been that hyped for Wiggins. If a miracle does happen and we get the #1 pick I'd hope we consider other options as well. Actually, this draft strikes me more as better for teams with multiple picks in the first round than to those with just a high pick. So much talent.
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Post by jmei on Mar 25, 2014 13:08:27 GMT -5
Nice little updated scouting report on Kelly Olynyk: I see him as a poor man's Antawn Jamison (more size, less athleticism, less shot creation). He's got a really well-rounded offensive repertoire, with the ability to play the pick-and-roll/pop, make smart cuts, drive against slower defenders, stretch the floor (though his shot has been very inconsistent to date), and even flash a little court vision. Something not noted in the video: he's got that Jamison-esque ability to score in the paint on little flip shots and layups at funny angles (a skill he showed in college as well, where he finished a staggering 75.3% of his shots at the rim). He'll always be below-average defensively (and on the defensive boards), but I'm pretty optimistic on his ability to be an offensive-minded backup PF.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 28, 2014 14:22:50 GMT -5
My top 3 - I certainly hope they end in the top 3 - is Parker, Embid, Wiggins in that order. The only other guy I'd consider is Exum but I don't know much about him to feel too comfortable saying that I just know he seems Westbrook lite to me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 28, 2014 16:18:05 GMT -5
I love Rodney Hood. I think he could be this drafts Pierce. Falls to the 10 range and ends up as a stud.
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Post by jmei on Mar 31, 2014 9:39:49 GMT -5
Michigan lost, but Stauskas looked good yesterday. Even held his own defensively against some of the quicker Kentucky guards.
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Post by jcn92 on Mar 31, 2014 16:10:21 GMT -5
If the Celtics want to move forward with Rondo and Sullinger, something I would be in favor of, then who would you draft? The obvious answer is Jabari Parker (if he declares) or Andrew Wiggins because that would give you a solid core of Rondo, Sullinger, Wiggins/Parker. But if you're the Celtics and you're committed to Rondo and Sullinger who do you draft if both of them are gone by your draft pick? This is a question I'm constantly asking myself.
If the celtics have a pick in the 4-7 range most of the players that I see going there in mock drafts are players that I don't think would fit or that I'm not crazy about. I don't wanna touch Embiid because I don't like taking big men that early, especially ones as inexperienced and with the injury issues that he has. Smart wouldn't make sense with Rondo on the roster. Same goes for Ennis, who I'm a big fan of. Randle would be a great get but there's a lot of depth at power forward. People seem to be high on Exum, but once again I don't think his skill set fits if the Celtics are keeping Rondo. He seems like a great guy and somebody you would want on your team, but he isn't a consistent shooter and I don't know if he's used to playing without the ball.
Admittedly I don't know much about Noah Vonleh or Aaron Gordon, so perhaps they are better fits than the players I mentioned above. One player who I would love to see the Celtics pick with their second pick is Kyle Anderson. I think Brad Stevens could do great things with him.
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Post by bmitchsox on Mar 31, 2014 18:25:38 GMT -5
I agree about Anderson, you can see a TON of potential in him. I really wouldn't mind them going small with Sully and Randle as they both rebound well. Exum would be my preference if we can't land Wiggins, he's super quick, has good vision and is a fierce competitor. Supposedly he has improved his shot, but who knows. I'd love to see him and Rondo run the floor together. Vonleh looks very intriguing too, I think he could turn out to be special. He often flashes that superstar potential, but sometimes makes a foolish play, but I think he's worth the risk.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 31, 2014 18:49:58 GMT -5
Rodney Hood
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 31, 2014 23:42:51 GMT -5
Michigan lost, but Stauskas looked good yesterday. Even held his own defensively against some of the quicker Kentucky guards. So did Randle. They really looked like men among boys. This draft has insane depth.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 2, 2014 21:03:42 GMT -5
Let's Go Lakers!
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 6, 2014 10:07:45 GMT -5
Time for a Rondo to pull a hammy in practice, Humphrey to rest his knees the rest of the year, Bradley to gave his ankles still be sore and Sully to get the flu again. 5 games left, got to lose them all. They are 1 game from the 3rd worse record and 2 from the 6th. No more wins... You hear us Jared Bayless?
Speaking of Bradley, I realize his injuries aren't supposedly chronic in nature, but they are here every year back thru college and a lot of them have to do with ligament ailments. Dislocated shoulders and sprained ankles. Several of each. To me there's a trend worth considering and monitoring.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 6, 2014 10:17:21 GMT -5
Orlando (1 gm ahead in lottery order) has BRK, WAS, BRK, CHI, IND: I don't really see a win there (unless teams start resting players if playoff positions are locked up) Boston has ATL, CHA, CLE (on the 2nd night of a back to back), PHI and Washington: Philadelphia is probably a win. Rondo likely not playing against CLE helps Utah (1.5 behind) has GS, DAL, POR, DEN, LAL, MIN: Lakers and Minnesota possible wins? LA (2.5) has LAC, HOU, GS, MEM, UTAH, and SA: Utah the one that stands out Sac (4.5) has DAL, OKC, POR, LAC, MIN and PHO
So it could be tough for Boston to hold on to their spot. Definitely want to see them move up 1 (bc, at 4, the most likely scenario is that they end up with the 5th pick) but CERTAINLY don't want to see them drop.
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Post by jmei on Apr 6, 2014 10:32:53 GMT -5
Er, the shoulder thing just happened once (well, once with each shoulder, but that's not uncommon-- you have to use the other shoulder to compensate for your injured one), and it hasn't been a problem since. But yeah, the ankle stuff bears watching-- that's starting to look more and more like a chronic thing.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 6, 2014 11:10:38 GMT -5
Iirc Bradley dislocated one of his shoulders twice in the same season. The first one to go happened twice.
Anyways, I decided to ask some who knows a lot more about this stuff than I do. He's a top PT who knows a out things like this. He's never worked with Avery, but other top athletes in Boston. However this is still just general which falls into the bears watching category. He basically said ligamental stability forms a bell curve with the top being normal and then either side falling into overly stuff/stable(left) and the other side being not enough stability. Avery likely falls into the right side of the curve where his ligaments don't offer enough stability so he'd be more susceptible to sprains and dislocations. Unfortunately, basketball is a sport that exasperates this type of condition.
I think I remembered the sides if the curve correctly, but don't take the sides as fact. They could've been crossed but it's somewhat irrelevant.
Also to reiterate. This isn't factual to Bradley just speculation as a legitimate possibility.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 6, 2014 11:44:41 GMT -5
Last night was a terrific win they were losing by 20 in the third quater and still won. Great win.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 9, 2014 20:29:03 GMT -5
Way to screw things up by winning tonight.
Add: And the mush worked.... Huge loss with an Orlando win... Come on just lose 4 more..
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Post by jmei on Apr 9, 2014 20:52:54 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 9, 2014 21:07:25 GMT -5
How does the tiebreaker work if we have the same record?
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