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Post by marrcus on Aug 12, 2014 15:09:55 GMT -5
The rest of the way: It looks like Brock is the CF... moves to RF (for Nava) when JBJ comes in to run down a few in the 8-9th. When's Nava going on waivers?
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 12, 2014 15:19:57 GMT -5
The rest of the way: It looks like Brock is the CF... moves to RF (for Nava) when JBJ comes in to run down a few in the 8-9th. When's Nava going on waivers? According to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, teams like the Royals and Tigers have been expressing interest in acquiring Daniel Nava from the Red Sox. Nava has not yet been placed on waivers, but that could happen soon. The 31-year-old outfielder and first baseman has batted just .248/.327/.310 in 71 games this season for Boston, but he was highly productive in 2013 and most contending clubs are looking to acquire bench bats for the stretch run and postseason. Nava will be arbitration-eligible for the first time heading into 2015. Aug 11 - 1:52 PM
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 12, 2014 15:22:23 GMT -5
He wouldn't clear waivers, and my guess is a non-contending team before KC or Detroit would claim him because his contract is so team friendly. A team like Minnesota could really use him going forward.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 12, 2014 15:35:09 GMT -5
yeah, no chance IMO.
I've always said he'd probably wind up an All-Star for the Rays.
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 12, 2014 15:41:18 GMT -5
The rest of the way: It looks like Brock is the CF... moves to RF (for Nava) when JBJ comes in to run down a few in the 8-9th. When's Nava going on waivers? And it's a big mistake. If the team decides JBJ should not be in there close to everyday, he needs to go down to AAA and be replaced in the Sox lineup by Mookie Betts.
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Post by MLBDreams on Aug 12, 2014 16:01:40 GMT -5
Interesting stats as of Aug 12 from last yr & this yr:
2013- 71 W, 49 L, 605 RS, 502 RA, DIFF +103 2014- 52 W, 65 L, 444 RS, 501 RA, DIFF -57
The offense is much worse by 161 less run scored & the pitching remained same as last yr with 4 starters already gone (+/-2 weeks) from our current rotation.
WMB, Nava, Bogaerts, Victorino (oft injury) & JBJ are the reason for the biggest drop off. Papi, Napoli & Pedroia are part of it, too.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 12, 2014 16:25:28 GMT -5
Just isn't a place on the roster for him any longer. LF/RF/1b. No power. Send him down and move him over the winter, let Betts show what he can do rest of the season.
Agree w/above he's type that would rebound to last year stats with the Rays, but even then, think Cespedes/Betts and whatever they come up with over the winter is better than Nava. average defense and blah..
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Post by jmei on Aug 12, 2014 16:34:45 GMT -5
Just because Nava doesn't currently project to be a starter next year doesn't mean he has to be optioned or traded. He's still an enormously valuable player.
I see little reason to call up Betts the rest of this season. With the team out of contention, there's no need to rush him. He still needs to work on his CF routes, and he can do that more effectively in Pawtucket (guys like Bradley and Holt would steal playing time in the majors). Plus, he's started striking out more frequently in AAA, which gives him something to work on at the plate.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 12, 2014 16:47:51 GMT -5
Just because Nava doesn't currently project to be a starter next year doesn't mean he has to be optioned or traded. He's still an enormously valuable player. I see little reason to call up Betts the rest of this season. With the team out of contention, there's no need to rush him. He still needs to work on his CF routes, and he can do that more effectively in Pawtucket (guys like Bradley and Holt would steal playing time in the majors). Plus, he's started striking out more frequently in AAA, which gives him something to work on at the plate. And Nava fits the current projected roster perfectly as a 4th outfielder, being that he is (basically) a LHH that kills RHP. (Yes, this is me harping on the fact that I think the lineup is too right handed).
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 12, 2014 17:18:41 GMT -5
Just because Nava doesn't currently project to be a starter next year doesn't mean he has to be optioned or traded. He's still an enormously valuable player. I see little reason to call up Betts the rest of this season. With the team out of contention, there's no need to rush him. He still needs to work on his CF routes, and he can do that more effectively in Pawtucket (guys like Bradley and Holt would steal playing time in the majors). Plus, he's started striking out more frequently in AAA, which gives him something to work on at the plate. And Nava fits the current projected roster perfectly as a 4th outfielder, being that he is (basically) a LHH that kills RHP. (Yes, this is me harping on the fact that I think the lineup is too right handed). Could be even more right-handed next year. I think we could see Cespedes in CF with Victorino in RF and Craig in LF. Nava would be a perfect 4th OF given that lineup.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 12, 2014 18:22:25 GMT -5
What I was thinking is Bradley slots immediately into the 4th OF role, if they don't come up with a guy over the winter to team with Cespedes/Betts.
In that case, Bradley is at Pawtucket and Craig is the 4th OF/1b/DH.
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Post by danr on Aug 12, 2014 18:22:52 GMT -5
That probably is not the OF. Victorino is not likely to be available until sometime in the season, and, it then might be like Drew.
What little I have seen of Cespedes in OF has not been persuasive of his ability to handle CF. If the Sox have the Craig of before the foot injuries, he would be a real asset. But if the injuries turn out to be chronic...
Again, like this year, too many uncertainties to plan around.
Isn't it interesting that when a writer wants to justify trading Nava he will use the entire year's stats, rather than those from when he was recalled from the minors? My problem with Nava - and I have liked this guy since he was at Lancaster - is that whatever power he had seems to have vanished. He is a high OBP guy with walks and singles. That is valuable and should not be given away.
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Post by jmei on Aug 12, 2014 18:25:35 GMT -5
Vazquez vs. Hamilton-- must-watch TV.
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Post by atzar on Aug 12, 2014 18:26:01 GMT -5
Aaand we walk the fastest guy in the league. Nice way to start the game.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 12, 2014 18:26:03 GMT -5
I like Kelly, but a 4 pitch walk to Billy Hamilton is criminal.
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Post by jmei on Aug 12, 2014 18:28:26 GMT -5
Hamilton wins that one, but a more on-target throw gets him.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 12, 2014 18:29:03 GMT -5
Vazquez vs. Hamilton-- must-watch TV. E2? Could have been an E6 if you asked me.
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Post by atzar on Aug 12, 2014 18:28:59 GMT -5
Not a good throw by Vazquez, but Xander didn't even move. Stop the damned ball, Bogey. That's your job.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Aug 12, 2014 18:29:18 GMT -5
I guess it doesn't matter where you put him, Xander is crap defensively wherever he plays.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 12, 2014 18:33:17 GMT -5
Time to get Escobar into this game...
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Post by jmei on Aug 12, 2014 18:34:33 GMT -5
By the way, Joe Kelly is Allen Webster without the weird mental speculation. Great fastball velo and movement, but subpar command. And his secondary stuff is not as good, so Kelly doesn't get a lot of strikeouts, either.
Not a great defensive start for Xander.
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 12, 2014 18:39:09 GMT -5
I don't think that Kelly is part of the future plans here, he has good stuff but doesn't get enough strikeouts.
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 12, 2014 18:53:30 GMT -5
Man Middlebrooks looks awful. I really hope the team gives Betts a look at 3rd before the season is over
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Post by atzar on Aug 12, 2014 18:55:25 GMT -5
I don't think that Kelly is part of the future plans here, he has good stuff but doesn't get enough strikeouts. He doesn't even really have good stuff. Just the fastball. I'm really not crazy about him as an asset. There's something to be said for the fact that he's cheap and young, but his stat line and scouting report screamed 'fluke' to me last year. That said, good inning there.
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Post by Gwell55 on Aug 12, 2014 18:56:11 GMT -5
What I was thinking is Bradley slots immediately into the 4th OF role, if they don't come up with a guy over the winter to team with Cespedes/Betts. In that case, Bradley is at Pawtucket and Craig is the 4th OF/1b/DH. Is Victorino going to be ready before the all star break next year? Seems to me his surgery would take him out for quite awhile. My L4/L5 took me out forever. My wife's L3/4 she took a 3 months to go to a desk job and at a year she still wasn't 100%. Course he is an athlete and has better surgeons but still is it that much difference?
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