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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2016 14:39:15 GMT -5
...phew
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 15, 2016 14:39:29 GMT -5
Who did you guys want him to bring in? Kimbrel? Not gonna happen. Zieger and either Ross or Abad should have been warming to start the inning, and either should have come on after the first baserunner reached. No I'm talking about the people complaining that he brought in Abad instead of somebody else. There is no obvious better option there against a switch hitter. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 14:39:36 GMT -5
Starting to think Ortiz's claim that Bobby V "has mental problems" can apply to JF. The guys decisions are idiotic. And yet you never heard any player saying anything like about him. Wonder why. Because he's a nice guy who cares about the players' feelings more than winning. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2016 14:40:05 GMT -5
Zieger and either Ross or Abad should have been warming to start the inning, and either should have come on after the first baserunner reached. No I'm talking about the people complaining that he brought in Abad instead of somebody else. There is no obvious better option there against a switch hitter. Eh, Robbie Ross is a better option. Abad has bad platoon splits, whereas Ross is more neutral. |
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 15, 2016 14:41:07 GMT -5
I cannot fathom how anyone can be a genuine Farrell apologist. To each his own, I suppose...
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Post by cto94 on Aug 15, 2016 14:41:46 GMT -5
I have to say that it doesn't seem entirely fair to criticize Farrell for that- Pomeranz looked fine, just didn't execute that pitch right. The guy was sitting curve ball and Pomeranz left one up- I think after Davis' swing on the last fastball, you can question the pitch selection, you can certainly criticize the location, but at basically 100 pitches even and still looking relatively sharp, I would rather have Pomeranz out there than basically anyone out of our bullpen
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 14:42:20 GMT -5
An insurance run or two would be great. Because you know Napoli is going to walk against Kimbrel.
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 15, 2016 14:42:36 GMT -5
Why no Leon here? My god Farrell
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 15, 2016 14:42:54 GMT -5
I don't buy that he's leaving guys in to make them feel good either.
I just think he believes in guys "cruising" and underrates the times through the order effect, like pretty much every manager.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 15, 2016 14:43:09 GMT -5
Given the state of the Sox bullpen, the importance of plating these runners cannot be overstated.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 15, 2016 14:43:10 GMT -5
Probably because one's an all around nutcase, and the other is just a terrible manager. I'll take the players opinions over yours if you don't mind. Because he's a nice guy who cares about the players' feelings more than winning. And yet he won the biggest prize in baseball. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that roughly 3 out 5 managers you'd name as better ones can't say the same thing about themselves. |
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Post by scarr0214 on Aug 15, 2016 14:44:08 GMT -5
Does anyone else's stomach churn the second they see Abad in the game? Dombrowski might need to DFA this player. You have to believe there is better arms some where in the minors? I wouldn't DFA him quite yet but put him in a couple easier situations to see how he fairs. In the 8th inning of a one-run game is not that time. |
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 15, 2016 14:44:23 GMT -5
Given the state of the Sox bullpen, the importance of plating these runners cannot be overstated. Where's Leon in this spot !!!! |
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 15, 2016 14:44:27 GMT -5
Who did you guys want him to bring in? Kimbrel? Not gonna happen. Zieger and either Ross or Abad should have been warming to start the inning, and either should have come on after the first baserunner reached. I'd have given him three batters and let him know that beforehand. Gives Pomeranz the chance to complete eight, let's him know what his expectations are and how much energy to exert. A lot of the managerial criticism on here is hindsight and based on the type of strategies actual managers don't use. But not letting Pomeranz face Davis there is something I think at least four of five managers would do. |
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 15, 2016 14:44:36 GMT -5
Farrell's biggest strategic flaw is that he manages the way he would have wanted to be managed when he was a pitcher. Maybe that has some self-esteem/clubhouse chemistry benefits. But in terms of in-game strategy, it means chronically leaving starters in two long because he wants them to finish the inning or leave with their head held high or whatever. Yeah, I think I've said something similar before ... it also shows up his *extreme* reluctance to disrupt someone's rhythm (except for certain guys he identifies as his flexibility guys). I suspect he was a stickler for preparation and predictability as a starter. It's a common trait in leaders of all sorts, I think, sometimes a good thing, sometimes it goes too far. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 14:44:56 GMT -5
I have to say that it doesn't seem entirely fair to criticize Farrell for that- Pomeranz looked fine, just didn't execute that pitch right. The guy was sitting curve ball and Pomeranz left one up- I think after Davis' swing on the last fastball, you can question the pitch selection, you can certainly criticize the location, but at basically 100 pitches even and still looking relatively sharp, I would rather have Pomeranz out there than basically anyone out of our bullpen Pretty much every pitcher in the majors should be taken out after the 27th batter they face with some very rare exceptions, like being up by 14 runs or the bullpen is completely blown up. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 15, 2016 14:45:39 GMT -5
Perhaps more interestingly, this thread was pretty much dead silent when everything was fine and under control, but 5 minutes ago it started raining outraged people.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 14:46:28 GMT -5
Probably because one's an all around nutcase, and the other is just a terrible manager. I'll take the players opinions over yours if you don't mind. Because he's a nice guy who cares about the players' feelings more than winning. And yet he won the biggest prize in baseball. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that roughly 3 out 5 managers you'd name as better ones can't say the same thing about themselves. This cannot be studied, but pretty much any manager could have won the WS for the Red Sox in 2013. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2016 14:47:06 GMT -5
Because he's a nice guy who cares about the players' feelings more than winning. And yet he won the biggest prize in baseball. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that roughly 3 out 5 managers you'd name as better ones can't say the same thing about themselves. "Count the Ringzzzzz" is a bad argument in any sports discussion, but especially for a baseball manager. |
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 15, 2016 14:47:07 GMT -5
Probably because one's an all around nutcase, and the other is just a terrible manager. I'll take the players opinions over yours if you don't mind. Because he's a nice guy who cares about the players' feelings more than winning. And yet he won the biggest prize in baseball. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that roughly 3 out 5 managers you'd name as better ones can't say the same thing about themselves. I don't mind. But keep in mind that unless a manager is a wackjob and/or is on a team with clubhouse chemistry issues, you often times don't hear the players complain about the manager, even when he gets canned due to disappointing team performance. |
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Post by cto94 on Aug 15, 2016 14:47:11 GMT -5
I cannot fathom how anyone can be a genuine Farrell apologist. To each his own, I suppose... There's a difference between being an apologist and not agreeing with every single criticism that gets heaped on the guy. I still think his teams have underperformed for several years and you can come up with a ton of examples of poor in game decisions he's made, and I think we'd be a better team with a different manager. That said, I have no problem with leaving Pomeranz in- he made a bad pitch to Davis, and I find it hard to blame Farrell for that |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 14:47:38 GMT -5
Perhaps more interestingly, this thread was pretty much dead silent when everything was fine and under control, but 5 minutes ago it started raining outraged people. Because he made a terrible decision that directly lead to a run for the Indians. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2016 14:48:25 GMT -5
Perhaps more interestingly, this thread was pretty much dead silent when everything was fine and under control, but 5 minutes ago it started raining outraged people. You've been around for what, almost a decade? It should not be surprising to hear that the gameday thread is almost exclusively for venting when things are going poorly or riotous celebration when things are going particularly well. |
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Post by pd on Aug 15, 2016 14:49:28 GMT -5
Perhaps more interestingly, this thread was pretty much dead silent when everything was fine and under control, but 5 minutes ago it started raining outraged people. Just need to rename the game threads "Today's complaining about Farrell thread". Would be far more accurate. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 14:50:39 GMT -5
I cannot fathom how anyone can be a genuine Farrell apologist. To each his own, I suppose... There's a difference between being an apologist and not agreeing with every single criticism that gets heaped on the guy. I still think his teams have underperformed for several years and you can come up with a ton of examples of poor in game decisions he's made, and I think we'd be a better team with a different manager. That said, I have no problem with leaving Pomeranz in- he made a bad pitch to Davis, and I find it hard to blame Farrell for that Keep in mind that every time he leaves a pitcher in for the 4th time through the order and basically turns every opposing batter into one as good as Papi, people will complain whether it works out or not. |
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