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Post by scarr0214 on Aug 15, 2016 14:51:19 GMT -5
For some reason I feel super confident in Kimbrel today.. (*knocks on wood*)
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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2016 14:52:09 GMT -5
something something man on third no outs something something
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 15, 2016 14:55:44 GMT -5
What is wrong with Farrell? Why would you bring in Kimbrel here?!!
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 15, 2016 14:56:24 GMT -5
There was NO excuse not pinch hitting Leon for a journeyman catcher in that spot. None
Margot on his way to giving it up
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Post by telson13 on Aug 15, 2016 14:56:27 GMT -5
Somebody explain to me again how "elite" Kimbrel is?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 14:57:08 GMT -5
What is wrong with Farrell? Why would you bring in Kimbrel here?!! I get the sarcasm, but I'd have Ziegler up now for when the bases are loaded.
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Post by scarr0214 on Aug 15, 2016 14:57:45 GMT -5
Somebody explain to me again how "elite" Kimbrel is? He's still got this. K potential at this part of the order.
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Post by cto94 on Aug 15, 2016 14:58:07 GMT -5
There's a difference between being an apologist and not agreeing with every single criticism that gets heaped on the guy. I still think his teams have underperformed for several years and you can come up with a ton of examples of poor in game decisions he's made, and I think we'd be a better team with a different manager. That said, I have no problem with leaving Pomeranz in- he made a bad pitch to Davis, and I find it hard to blame Farrell for that Keep in mind that every time he leaves a pitcher in for the 4th time through the order and basically turns every opposing batter into one as good as Papi, people will complain whether it works out or not. Ok while statistically that may be true, that's highly context dependent. If that were actually true, nobody would ever throw a complete game that wasn't a perfect game basically, cause they'd get shelled every time in the late innings. Pomeranz looked sharp, made one bad pitch. And I have to note that nobody complained until he gave up a run. Hindsight is 20/20, but that's an entirely defensible decision from Farrell and one that I think most MLB managers would have made. I think bringing in Abad was much more questionable management, and that worked out perfectly
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 15, 2016 14:58:09 GMT -5
If you can't get an insurance run with runners on 2nd and 3rd and no outs, than you don't deserve to win.
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 15, 2016 14:58:18 GMT -5
If Napoli gets on, you bring in Ziegler
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Post by templeusox on Aug 15, 2016 14:58:46 GMT -5
He's cooked.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 15, 2016 14:58:46 GMT -5
"Count the Ringzzzzz" is a bad argument in any sports discussion, but especially for a baseball manager. Sorry, don't see it. I think players should be judged by their performance and managers/coaches by titles. If you don't agree with me, that's fine, I promise I won't try to dismiss your view by reductionism. You've been around for what, almost a decade? It should not be surprising to hear that the gameday thread is almost exclusively for venting when things are going poorly or riotous celebration when things are going particularly well. It's not surprising, I was just commenting on the level of overall negativism.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 14:59:21 GMT -5
No way, Napoli walked?
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Post by mattpicard on Aug 15, 2016 14:59:50 GMT -5
We'll be OK. Our lock down closer will show us that the run that made it a 3-2 game by having our starter over 100 pitches pitch to a lefty-masher his fourth time up after he'd mashed the lefty starter all day wasn't a big deal.
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Post by Coreno on Aug 15, 2016 14:59:55 GMT -5
Reminder that Bobby Valentine took the Mets to the World Series in 2000 only being stopped by a Dynastic Yankees team. The Sox won in 2013 in spite of Farrell.
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Post by templeusox on Aug 15, 2016 15:00:03 GMT -5
This is what pitching with zero command looks like.
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Post by scarr0214 on Aug 15, 2016 15:00:07 GMT -5
If Napoli gets on, you bring in Ziegler That's giving Kimbrel a vote of no confidence. Farrell won't and in my opinion shouldn't do that.
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 15, 2016 15:00:12 GMT -5
If you can't get an insurance run with runners on 2nd and 3rd and no outs, than you don't deserve to win. Leon should have hit for Holaday
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 15, 2016 15:00:55 GMT -5
The scary thing is his velo is slightly down and he *still* can't locate it
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 15, 2016 15:01:24 GMT -5
What is wrong with Farrell? Why would you bring in Kimbrel here?!! I get the sarcasm, but I'd have Ziegler up now for when the bases are loaded. This is literally the only reason to have a "closer" in my mind: once you bring him in to a one-run, you don't warm anyone else up. Saves a bullpen wear and tear. If you don't do that, get rid of the entire concept of closer.
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 15, 2016 15:01:50 GMT -5
If Napoli gets on, you bring in Ziegler That's giving Kimbrel a vote of no confidence. Farrell won't and in my opinion shouldn't do that. Your in a playoff race. Feelings get put aside..
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 15:02:06 GMT -5
If Napoli gets on, you bring in Ziegler That's giving Kimbrel a vote of no confidence. Farrell won't and in my opinion shouldn't do that. It's that time of year where winning is more important.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 15, 2016 15:02:09 GMT -5
Worst decision in a string of weak Farrell choices is batting Holaday - second and third, none out - and you don't pinch hit Leon? That alone sums up some really flawed decision making. Horrible, awful decision to not put a near .400 hitter up there when scoring with none out and men in scoring position has been an issue all year for this team - they press. Don't make it harder by batting a horrific hitter!
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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2016 15:02:16 GMT -5
"Count the Ringzzzzz" is a bad argument in any sports discussion, but especially for a baseball manager. Sorry, don't see it. I think players should be judged by their performance and managers/coaches by titles. If you don't agree with me, that's fine, I promise I won't try to dismiss your view by reductionism. It's not reductionism if your self-described position is exactly what I said it was.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 15, 2016 15:02:47 GMT -5
I get the sarcasm, but I'd have Ziegler up now for when the bases are loaded. This is literally the only reason to have a "closer" in my mind: once you bring him in to a one-run, you don't warm anyone else up. Saves a bullpen wear and tear. If you don't do that, get rid of the entire concept of closer. Fine with me.
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