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Kyrie Irving to Boston for Thomas, Crowder, Nets 1st, Zizic
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2017 15:47:27 GMT -5
Again, the key to that LAL pick is how they approach the season. Is it about being as good as they can be? Or is it about prepping for the offseason? The latter could see some in season trades giving up some of that talent in exchange for future assets. Has to be mostly about wining games. They need to attract the best free agents. Can LeBron and George take a bottom 5 team and make them true title contenders ? That's the way players think. So being seen as an up and coming team is by far the most important thing. Number two has to be about keeping options open. For me that means keeping players like Lopez, KCP, and Randle untill you know what's happening. Mainly as fall back options. It's no given George leaves the Thunder or LeBron leaves Cleveland. Sure they would love to trade Deng, but that's going to very hard. Trading guys like Lopez and KCP isn't going to be easy with what they make. How many teams have 20 million in expiring contracts and want one of those two players while giving up assets? Is a late first worth it? Randle is a lot easier to trade, but if they get rid of Clarkson and Deng they could keep him. I'm sure they would love to package him with Deng for expiring contracts. Thing is his value isn't that high. If he has a huge year, do they really trade him on the hope they can get two max guys? Sure it could happen, but I think it's more likely they make major moves next offseason. When they have better information. Magic seems like a very smart guy, he hired a good smart GM. Maybe I am giving him too much credit. Depending what happens next season, both LeBron and George might not even change teams. |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 30, 2017 15:59:58 GMT -5
Again, the key to that LAL pick is how they approach the season. Is it about being as good as they can be? Or is it about prepping for the offseason? The latter could see some in season trades giving up some of that talent in exchange for future assets. Has to be mostly about wining games. They need to attract the best free agents. Can LeBron and George take a bottom 5 team and make them true title contenders ? That's the way players think. So being seen as an up and coming team is by far the most important thing. Number two has to be about keeping options open. For me that means keeping players like Lopez, KCP, and Randle untill you know what's happening. Mainly as fall back options. It's no given George leaves the Thunder or LeBron leaves Cleveland. Sure they would love to trade Deng, but that's going to very hard. Trading guys like Lopez and KCP isn't going to be easy with what they make. How many teams have 20 million in expiring contracts and want one of those two players while giving up assets? Is a late first worth it? Randle is a lot easier to trade, but if they get rid of Clarkson and Deng they could keep him. I'm sure they would love to package him with Deng for expiring contracts. Thing is his value isn't that high. If he has a huge year, do they really trade him on the hope they can get two max guys? Sure it could happen, but I think it's more likely they make major moves next offseason. When they have better information. Magic seems like a very smart guy, he hired a good smart GM. Maybe I am giving him too much credit. Depending what happens next season, both LeBron and George might not even change teams. WOW lots of opinions here. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 30, 2017 16:31:41 GMT -5
Agree with almost all of that. The one caveat would be if this is (as some "experts" believe) a foregone conclusion that LeBron is headed to LAL (agree that George's decision just became a LOT harder).
But if LBJ is going and knows he can bring another Max (or close to max) player with him, it may not matter. For example, Miami's performance the year prior to "The Decision" was, imo, irrelevant.
Now they didn't tank (I'm actually shocked, looking at that roster, they won 47 games that year) but I really don't think it would've mattered (pure speculation on my part, admittedly). They also didn't have assets to "sell off" during the season.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 30, 2017 16:51:55 GMT -5
Agree with almost all of that. The one caveat would be if this is (as some "experts" believe) a foregone conclusion that LeBron is headed to LAL (agree that George's decision just became a LOT harder). But if LBJ is going and knows he can bring another Max (or close to max) player with him, it may not matter. For example, Miami's performance the year prior to "The Decision" was, imo, irrelevant. Now they didn't tank (I'm actually shocked, looking at that roster, they won 47 games that year) but I really don't think it would've mattered (pure speculation on my part, admittedly). They also didn't have assets to "sell off" during the season. Ten to agree with most all that was said. |
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 30, 2017 16:53:24 GMT -5
Shouldn't Cleveland have to prove that their physical shows something materially different from the medical reports the Celtics gave them or is there no criteria at all on physicals nixing deals? I don't think this GM is going to have a long NBA career. I totally agree with this. But if as pedro says IT can not run right now. Leaves a lot to speculation. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 30, 2017 17:56:48 GMT -5
Woj reporting Cleveland is no longer looking for additional compensation.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2017 18:18:21 GMT -5
Has to be mostly about wining games. They need to attract the best free agents. Can LeBron and George take a bottom 5 team and make them true title contenders ? That's the way players think. So being seen as an up and coming team is by far the most important thing. Number two has to be about keeping options open. For me that means keeping players like Lopez, KCP, and Randle untill you know what's happening. Mainly as fall back options. It's no given George leaves the Thunder or LeBron leaves Cleveland. Sure they would love to trade Deng, but that's going to very hard. Trading guys like Lopez and KCP isn't going to be easy with what they make. How many teams have 20 million in expiring contracts and want one of those two players while giving up assets? Is a late first worth it? Randle is a lot easier to trade, but if they get rid of Clarkson and Deng they could keep him. I'm sure they would love to package him with Deng for expiring contracts. Thing is his value isn't that high. If he has a huge year, do they really trade him on the hope they can get two max guys? Sure it could happen, but I think it's more likely they make major moves next offseason. When they have better information. Magic seems like a very smart guy, he hired a good smart GM. Maybe I am giving him too much credit. Depending what happens next season, both LeBron and George might not even change teams. WOW lots of opinions here. Yes it is. Projecting what the Lakers will do is all just an opinion. Be it right or wrong. To have a good informed opinion you need to have the facts right though. Like what Lakers need to do to clear max cap space for two players or how many teams actually have 20 million in expiring deals. There is a difference in having an informed opinion and having an uninformed opinion. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 30, 2017 18:24:33 GMT -5
Woj reporting Cleveland is no longer looking for additional compensation. So why isn't this thing completed yet? Lol |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2017 18:33:55 GMT -5
Agree with almost all of that. The one caveat would be if this is (as some "experts" believe) a foregone conclusion that LeBron is headed to LAL (agree that George's decision just became a LOT harder). But if LBJ is going and knows he can bring another Max (or close to max) player with him, it may not matter. For example, Miami's performance the year prior to "The Decision" was, imo, irrelevant. Now they didn't tank (I'm actually shocked, looking at that roster, they won 47 games that year) but I really don't think it would've mattered (pure speculation on my part, admittedly). They also didn't have assets to "sell off" during the season. I guess it all depends if you buy that stuff. I don't. For me it seems way to early to say LeBron just leaves his hometown team no matter what. Especially if the Irving trade happens. The thing about Miami was how good Wade was back then. They formed a killer 3 and the skills matched. For the Lakers that means someone being that #3 guy. So that means an Ingram improving by a mile or more likely Ball showing how good he is. Again that's just me because I don't buy LeBron is just going there. I have to believe he does it because it gives him a better shot at a title. That's why I think winning matters. What type of moves were you thinking about? What assets would they try to sell off? |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 30, 2017 19:12:41 GMT -5
Woj reporting Cleveland is no longer looking for additional compensation. So why isn't this thing completed yet? Lol Follow up on this where Woj told Kaufman that he didn't say that. The graphics people at espn put it across the screen but it was a screw up. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 30, 2017 19:15:36 GMT -5
Agree with almost all of that. The one caveat would be if this is (as some "experts" believe) a foregone conclusion that LeBron is headed to LAL (agree that George's decision just became a LOT harder). But if LBJ is going and knows he can bring another Max (or close to max) player with him, it may not matter. For example, Miami's performance the year prior to "The Decision" was, imo, irrelevant. Now they didn't tank (I'm actually shocked, looking at that roster, they won 47 games that year) but I really don't think it would've mattered (pure speculation on my part, admittedly). They also didn't have assets to "sell off" during the season. I guess it all depends if you buy that stuff. I don't. For me it seems way to early to say LeBron just leaves his hometown team no matter what. Especially if the Irving trade happens. The thing about Miami was how good Wade was back then. They formed a killer 3 and the skills matched. For the Lakers that means someone being that #3 guy. So that means an Ingram improving by a mile or more likely Ball showing how good he is. Again that's just me because I don't buy LeBron is just going there. I have to believe he does it because it gives him a better shot at a title. That's why I think winning matters. What type of moves were you thinking about? What assets would they try to sell off? Lopez and Randle are probably the 2. Both required usage of a valuable asset so to just let them walk seems wasteful. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 30, 2017 20:09:40 GMT -5
I would not be the least bit upset if the Celtics and Cavs trade collapses.The Celtics aren't going to win the NBA title this year or next year. Amateur hour in Cleveland. Let them try to flip Irving to the Bucks or Suns where they won't any where near the same deal that the Celtics offered.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 30, 2017 21:16:29 GMT -5
Cleveland still looking for a first round pick according to Woj.
Just give them it or 2 second rounders and make them feel like they "won."
No one will want to deal with the Cavs after this mess and will cause a ton more damage on future trades because of this meaningless first round pick.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 30, 2017 21:31:18 GMT -5
Trade is done Celtics are adding a 2020 second round pick...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 30, 2017 21:37:07 GMT -5
It's over.... it is finally over. Thank Jesus. Thank the Lord. Thank Buda. I don't care.
Welcome to Boston Kirie Irving.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 30, 2017 22:01:40 GMT -5
All this hangup over a 2020 second round nothing pick. How bad does this make Cleveland?
Seriously. You're fools if you think you can hard ball the ultimate hard baller in Danny Ainge.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 30, 2017 22:14:05 GMT -5
Was it really worth it, Cleveland? God I really hope the Nets make the playoffs somehow.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2017 23:30:09 GMT -5
It seems so silly. All this over a 2nd round draft pick.
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Post by Coreno on Aug 30, 2017 23:45:23 GMT -5
Remember when reports said Cavs were asking for Brown or Tatum as additional compensation? Who knows whether or not that's even true, but glad Danny stood strong and made them take the deal.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 31, 2017 3:01:09 GMT -5
Now that the deal is done. How will the rotation work out? Kyrie, Hayward, horford, and ?
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 31, 2017 4:05:29 GMT -5
WOW lots of opinions here. Yes it is. Projecting what the Lakers will do is all just an opinion. Be it right or wrong. To have a good informed opinion you need to have the facts right though. Like what Lakers need to do to clear max cap space for two players or how many teams actually have 20 million in expiring deals. There is a difference in having an informed opinion and having an uninformed opinion. Thank you for informing me of my shortfalls. I will try to be more informed. |
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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 31, 2017 6:30:26 GMT -5
This is still a good trade for the Celtics. However, the Padres were not honest with the Red Sox and the Padres provided no additional compensation. The Celtics were transparent with the Cavs and it cost the Celtics an additional pick. Strange?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 31, 2017 7:00:27 GMT -5
This is still a good trade for the Celtics. However, the Padres were not honest with the Red Sox and the Padres provided no additional compensation. The Celtics were transparent with the Cavs and it cost the Celtics an additional pick. Strange? Well, there also was a suspension also involved because one team was playing within the rules of the CBA and another wasn't. |
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Aug 31, 2017 7:05:46 GMT -5
This is still a good trade for the Celtics. However, the Padres were not honest with the Red Sox and the Padres provided no additional compensation. The Celtics were transparent with the Cavs and it cost the Celtics an additional pick. Strange? It may buy them a few games in the standings. The Cavs almost can't declare IT ready to play until a month or two into the season or it will be apparent they were just trying to extort an extra return. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 31, 2017 7:33:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure what would have been worse, Cleveland getting nothing else (which would lend credibility to the idea they were just "staying open for business") or Cleveland going through all of this over a 2nd rounder (in 2020, no less).
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