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Post by texs31 on Oct 17, 2019 6:57:48 GMT -5
Beal tacking 2 more years onto his deal. Strike him off the trade candidate list.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 17, 2019 9:00:20 GMT -5
Beal tacking 2 more years onto his deal. Strike him off the trade candidate list. Smart by him... i get the team will suck but that’s some real coin and he will still get a max deal if he stays healthy |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 17, 2019 12:04:46 GMT -5
So we offer Brown four years 80 million, about what I expected maybe a little less. Max is 119 million.
Yet this crap with China has some people saying the cap could go down 10 to 15% next year. Add in smaller raises for a free agent deal and it could be some horrible timing for Brown to be a free agent.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 19, 2019 10:47:03 GMT -5
Game one vs Sixers coming right up, can't wait. How is the season going to start for the C's? They play the Sixers, Bucks and Raptors in the first week so we won't have to wait long to see what they are to start.
I think if they are focused on D to start they will look good.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 19, 2019 13:31:58 GMT -5
4 yrs, 130 for Siakam per Woj.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 21, 2019 6:11:41 GMT -5
Sabonis is supposedly on the block in Indy... should Celtics make a run? If so, what would you deal for him? Keep in mind he’s a restricted free agent next year like Brown. What would you pay to keep him if you dealt for him?
Here’s my 2 cents. Like the player. Hate the next contract without evening knowing it and think the trade cost is going to be too high. His positives are: great offensive rebounder, very good rebounder overall, finishes really well in the paint and seems to be a good system defender as a big and moves well. Glaring negative is his range is non-existent. In today’s NBA it seems like guys like him are always overpaid on that second contract. Bigs without range just can’t take up big salary slots these days unless you’re some freak, which he is not. The only way it’d make sense is if ownership were going to say F it to money and luxury tax as they won’t have cap room anyways for a long time and if the acquisition cost is reasonable. Reasonable cost is something like Celtics first, Robert Williams and Semi, but that likely has no chance to get it done.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 21, 2019 9:24:14 GMT -5
Sabonis is supposedly on the block in Indy... should Celtics make a run? If so, what would you deal for him? Keep in mind he’s a restricted free agent next year like Brown. What would you pay to keep him if you dealt for him? Here’s my 2 cents. Like the player. Hate the next contract without evening knowing it and think the trade cost is going to be too high. His positives are: great offensive rebounder, very good rebounder overall, finishes really well in the paint and seems to be a good system defender as a big and moves well. Glaring negative is his range is non-existent. In today’s NBA it seems like guys like him are always overpaid on that second contract. Bigs without range just can’t take up big salary slots these days unless you’re some freak, which he is not. The only way it’d make sense is if ownership were going to say F it to money and luxury tax as they won’t have cap room anyways for a long time and if the acquisition cost is reasonable. Reasonable cost is something like Celtics first, Robert Williams and Semi, but that likely has no chance to get it done. His numbers and scouting report remind me of Kanter, whom I think we will be happy to have by the middle of the season. We have Kanter for cheap money in his prime for 2 years. Even if he gets most of his minutes with the 2nd unit he will be very productive for 22 minutes a game. I think him, Smart, Edwards and Williams will make for a very solid group. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 21, 2019 9:50:49 GMT -5
Sabonis is supposedly on the block in Indy... should Celtics make a run? If so, what would you deal for him? Keep in mind he’s a restricted free agent next year like Brown. What would you pay to keep him if you dealt for him? Here’s my 2 cents. Like the player. Hate the next contract without evening knowing it and think the trade cost is going to be too high. His positives are: great offensive rebounder, very good rebounder overall, finishes really well in the paint and seems to be a good system defender as a big and moves well. Glaring negative is his range is non-existent. In today’s NBA it seems like guys like him are always overpaid on that second contract. Bigs without range just can’t take up big salary slots these days unless you’re some freak, which he is not. The only way it’d make sense is if ownership were going to say F it to money and luxury tax as they won’t have cap room anyways for a long time and if the acquisition cost is reasonable. Reasonable cost is something like Celtics first, Robert Williams and Semi, but that likely has no chance to get it done. His numbers and scouting report remind me of Kanter, whom I think we will be happy to have by the middle of the season. We have Kanter for cheap money in his prime for 2 years. Even if he gets most of his minutes with the 2nd unit he will be very productive for 22 minutes a game. I think him, Smart, Edwards and Williams will make for a very solid group. Regarding Kanter: 1. His second year is a player option. 2. Very interested to see how his 3 point shot develops. He has a good stroke and something to build off of and it’s a focus of his. Remember Brook Lopez was an inside guy only and the last couple years he’s turned into a great 3 point threat as a 5. Horford didn’t become a stretch 5 until he was here. Baynes has even turned into a respectable 3 point shooter. I think Kanter has a good shot of that. Sabonis could but he hasn’t shown any signs of it yet. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 21, 2019 11:23:45 GMT -5
Hield gets 4/94 per Woj/Amick.
Woj now saying it's technically 4/86 but can get up to 94 with very reachable bonuses (top 10 3pt shooting, etc). 106 is also possible but harder to reach.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 21, 2019 12:04:51 GMT -5
Sabonis is supposedly on the block in Indy... should Celtics make a run? If so, what would you deal for him? Keep in mind he’s a restricted free agent next year like Brown. What would you pay to keep him if you dealt for him? Here’s my 2 cents. Like the player. Hate the next contract without evening knowing it and think the trade cost is going to be too high. His positives are: great offensive rebounder, very good rebounder overall, finishes really well in the paint and seems to be a good system defender as a big and moves well. Glaring negative is his range is non-existent. In today’s NBA it seems like guys like him are always overpaid on that second contract. Bigs without range just can’t take up big salary slots these days unless you’re some freak, which he is not. The only way it’d make sense is if ownership were going to say F it to money and luxury tax as they won’t have cap room anyways for a long time and if the acquisition cost is reasonable. Reasonable cost is something like Celtics first, Robert Williams and Semi, but that likely has no chance to get it done. How does he have no range? He took a ton of threes his rookie year and his overall numbers are rather good. The Pacers just run a different system and don't take as many threes. Given what we've seen from other guys and what he's already shown it looks like he could develop into a good three point shooter in time. Yet pulling him away from the Basket takes away from his offensive rebounding. He'd be a massive upgrade, but agree his next contract will be bad. Yet he might be worth it. He's been sneaky good in a league that likes to run small ball. I'd hate to trade Williams and frankly would they want him? They have Turner and just drafted another center. Isn't that the real reason they are trading him? He's basically a center, so they can't play him with Turner in the small ball era. |
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Post by hongkyongnae on Oct 21, 2019 13:29:28 GMT -5
"How does he have no range? He took a ton of threes his rookie year and his overall numbers are rather good."
In his rookie year, Sabonis averaged 2.0 three pointers a game. Whether this is "a ton" is subjective. However, in years 2 and 3, Sabonis averaged only 0.5 and 0.2 three pointers a game respectively.
That is, he attempted 159 three point shots as a rookie. He then attempted a total of 54 three pointers over the next two seasons. (37 & 17) I do not see a trend towards increased usage or confidence in his shooting three pointers based on these numbers.
His shooting averages from three point range by year has been:
2016-17 = 32.1%
2017-18 = 35.1%, made a season total of 13 three pointers.
2018-19 = 52.9%, made a season total of 9 three pointers.
While 52.9% is impressive it is based on a very small number of shots. Overall I don't see the stats proving Sabonis has good three point range. This is not to say he can't or won't, but only that it would seem to be premature to conclude he is good at shooting three pointers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 21, 2019 14:07:09 GMT -5
"How does he have no range? He took a ton of threes his rookie year and his overall numbers are rather good." In his rookie year, Sabonis averaged 2.0 three pointers a game. Whether this is "a ton" is subjective. However, in years 2 and 3, Sabonis averaged only 0.5 and 0.2 three pointers a game respectively. That is, he attempted 159 three point shots as a rookie. He then attempted a total of 54 three pointers over the next two seasons. (37 & 17) I do not see a trend towards increased usage or confidence in his shooting three pointers based on these numbers. His shooting averages from three point range by year has been: 2016-17 = 32.1% 2017-18 = 35.1%, made a season total of 13 three pointers. 2018-19 = 52.9%, made a season total of 9 three pointers. While 52.9% is impressive it is based on a very small number of shots. Overall I don't see the stats proving Sabonis has good three point range. This is not to say he can't or won't, but only that it would seem to be premature to conclude he is good at shooting three pointers. For a guy that plays center and averaged 20 minutes a night that is a lot of three point attempts. Horford in 9 more minutes a game last year averaged 3 attempts per game for example. I look at that as the difference in the systems. The Thunder asked Sabonis to space the floor, the Pacers don't. You don't lose confidence and stop shooting when your percentages go up do you? Overall it isn't a crazy big sample size, yet it seems crazy to say he has no range. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 21, 2019 14:11:24 GMT -5
The more I read and think about the Jaylen Brown contract situation the more I think he isn't going to be in Boston long term. Just a hunch but if this is the case will they try to trade him?
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Post by texs31 on Oct 21, 2019 14:46:05 GMT -5
I think it was Ryan Bernardoni that said that there is little difference in the return for a pending RFA and the return for not matching a qualifying offer (used Brogdon as the most recent example = 1st rounder and 2 2nds as part of a sign-and-trade). Don't remember the "in season pending RFA" that he used.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 21, 2019 14:49:33 GMT -5
Wow!
4/115 for Jaylen. Stays in Boston
EDIT: Your "reverse jinx" worked voiceofreason.
EDIT2: TBD are how much of that is incentive-based and if there are decreasing salaries involved (like Hield's).
EDIT3: Ryan B suggests that this won't contain descending salaries (1st yr would be above his max) but the contract "fits as a flat annual payment"). Also, no options so it's a straight 4 yr deal per Chris Haynes.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 21, 2019 15:08:08 GMT -5
Sabonis stays in Indianapolis at 4/77 (Woj).
Sham saying it's 74.9
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 21, 2019 15:19:14 GMT -5
"How does he have no range? He took a ton of threes his rookie year and his overall numbers are rather good." In his rookie year, Sabonis averaged 2.0 three pointers a game. Whether this is "a ton" is subjective. However, in years 2 and 3, Sabonis averaged only 0.5 and 0.2 three pointers a game respectively. That is, he attempted 159 three point shots as a rookie. He then attempted a total of 54 three pointers over the next two seasons. (37 & 17) I do not see a trend towards increased usage or confidence in his shooting three pointers based on these numbers. His shooting averages from three point range by year has been: 2016-17 = 32.1% 2017-18 = 35.1%, made a season total of 13 three pointers. 2018-19 = 52.9%, made a season total of 9 three pointers. While 52.9% is impressive it is based on a very small number of shots. Overall I don't see the stats proving Sabonis has good three point range. This is not to say he can't or won't, but only that it would seem to be premature to conclude he is good at shooting three pointers. I kind of agree with UMass that I under estimated his range potential. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 21, 2019 15:35:04 GMT -5
The more I read and think about the Jaylen Brown contract situation the more I think he isn't going to be in Boston long term. Just a hunch but if this is the case will they try to trade him? Well that thought had a life of of a couple hours as they have come to terms. 4 115. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 21, 2019 15:53:49 GMT -5
There is a narrative out there that he/Turner would have spacing issues but I'm not seeing it based on the numbers (don't watch them enough to go on anything beyond that).
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Post by texs31 on Oct 21, 2019 15:59:28 GMT -5
Looks like it's 103 guaranteed for JB. 4 in likely incentives. 8 in unlikely.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 21, 2019 16:35:57 GMT -5
It doesn't seem to me that he has earned that kind of deal yet. Is he really that good defensively? Is he going to earn this?
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 21, 2019 16:39:06 GMT -5
It doesn't seem to me that he has earned that kind of deal yet. Is he really that good defensively? Is he going to earn this? I don’t want to say it doesn’t matter because it does for the Celtics on the court, but they had to sign him and if Rozier got what he just did after that year he had then Jaylen was going to get 100m. The NBA salary cap forced the Celtics to sign a deal like this - it’s not like they could use the salary slot elsewhere. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 21, 2019 17:14:46 GMT -5
Wow! 4/115 for Jaylen. Stays in Boston EDIT: Your "reverse jinx" worked voiceofreason. EDIT2: TBD are how much of that is incentive-based and if there are decreasing salaries involved (like Hield's). EDIT3: Ryan B suggests that this won't contain descending salaries (1st yr would be above his max) but the contract "fits as a flat annual payment"). Also, no options so it's a straight 4 yr deal per Chris Haynes. I was thinking the same in regards to the reverse jinx. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 21, 2019 20:16:52 GMT -5
Jaylen is a tough one. When he's on, he looks like a superstar, like his ceiling is so high you can't help but love him. But when he's off, he looks unplayable. It's a journey with him, but I stand by what I saw in him very early on: a taller Avery Bradley. That's not bad, that's really not bad at all.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 23, 2019 13:55:50 GMT -5
Looking forward to tonights opener. Good test to start the season, Sixers are BIG!!
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