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Celtics 2021 Offseason
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Post by texs31 on Oct 19, 2021 18:53:33 GMT -5
But then wouldn't he be better served to do what he's told but do it terribly. Hard to make the insubordination case then. He still forces the trade but actually gets paid.
Blatantly refusing to participate would seem like a "win" for Philly (in the Simmons is never going to play for them list of options) bc they won't have to pay him (again, assuming I'm understanding the contract rules).
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 19, 2021 19:04:42 GMT -5
Just play, do your best and stop being a sadsack baby!! He is only making things worse by being a malcontent. His agent must be at his wits end.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2021 19:05:31 GMT -5
Anyone hear the details of Parker's new deal? I assume it's for less money.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2021 19:51:05 GMT -5
Anyone hear the details of Parker's new deal? I assume it's for less money. I think it he had a vet minimum to start with so i don’t get it but i have to be missing something |
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2021 19:55:14 GMT -5
Anyone hear the details of Parker's new deal? I assume it's for less money. I think it he had a vet minimum to start with so i don’t get it but i have to be missing something Not sure what vet min is, but he was getting $2.1M. |
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Post by jmei on Oct 19, 2021 20:00:37 GMT -5
He could have re-signed with different guarantees (for instance, salary isn’t fully guaranteed until post trade deadline). That’d give them a little more luxury tax ducking flexibility.
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Post by cdj on Oct 19, 2021 20:15:15 GMT -5
He could have re-signed with different guarantees (for instance, salary isn’t fully guaranteed until post trade deadline). That’d give them a little more luxury tax ducking flexibility. From what I gather that is exactly what happened |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 20, 2021 0:08:50 GMT -5
Westbrook a -23 on the Lakers opener LMAO.
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Post by jmei on Oct 20, 2021 0:18:34 GMT -5
He could have re-signed with different guarantees (for instance, salary isn’t fully guaranteed until post trade deadline). That’d give them a little more luxury tax ducking flexibility. From what I gather that is exactly what happened Looks like they also straight up saved $500K in cap space with a new vet min deal. |
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Post by ianrs on Oct 20, 2021 2:14:08 GMT -5
Westbrook a -23 on the Lakers opener LMAO. Yikes. Lakers look baaaaad. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2021 6:58:11 GMT -5
Marvin Bagley’s agent said the team told him he’s not part of the rotation.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 20, 2021 7:27:05 GMT -5
Who could have predicted all of these guys would not be good NBA players.
Bagley
Giles
Parker
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Post by cdj on Oct 20, 2021 7:43:38 GMT -5
Injuries did Giles and Parker in
I think defense is doing Bagley in
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2021 9:02:20 GMT -5
Bagley has had some injuries too but he’s 22 and his talent is still there.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2021 9:02:37 GMT -5
Just play, do your best and stop being a sadsack baby!! He is only making things worse by being a malcontent. His agent must be at his wits end. I think his agent is the one telling him to do this so he gets traded. They wouldn't trade him when he didn't report, so go make sure they trade you. Horrible agent, he needs to fire him! |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2021 9:06:57 GMT -5
Just play, do your best and stop being a sadsack baby!! He is only making things worse by being a malcontent. His agent must be at his wits end. I think his agent is the one telling him to do this so he gets traded. They wouldn't trade him when he didn't report, so go make sure they trade you. Horrible agent, he needs to fire him! Irrelevant, in my book, who’s idea it is, he’s responsible for his own actions. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2021 9:07:09 GMT -5
I started the season thread.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2021 9:11:50 GMT -5
Bagley can do things few bigs can do on offense. Trade the guy and move on. Obviously the relationship is horrible if you are telling a player he's not in the rotation before the season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2021 9:20:56 GMT -5
I think his agent is the one telling him to do this so he gets traded. They wouldn't trade him when he didn't report, so go make sure they trade you. Horrible agent, he needs to fire him! Irrelevant, in my book, who’s idea it is, he’s responsible for his own actions. In Doc's words he didn't do anything horrible, just refused to do defensive drills. Was asked to leave and he did. I don't agree, I would have taken the just shoot three's everytime you have the ball approach so he gets paid or just stayed away. Yet that's basically what Gilmore did, shows up and didn't do anything. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2021 12:39:11 GMT -5
Irrelevant, in my book, who’s idea it is, he’s responsible for his own actions. In Doc's words he didn't do anything horrible, just refused to do defensive drills. Was asked to leave and he did. I don't agree, I would have taken the just shoot three's everytime you have the ball approach so he gets paid or just stayed away. Yet that's basically what Gilmore did, shows up and didn't do anything. Not at all like Gilmore. And regardless of Doc’s comments, what he did was horrible. On what planet is it not horrible for a player to refuse to participate in a simple defensive drill with his teammates for the sole purpose of being a disruption or jerk? That’s not horrible in your book? |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 20, 2021 12:44:27 GMT -5
Just play, do your best and stop being a sadsack baby!! He is only making things worse by being a malcontent. His agent must be at his wits end. I think his agent is the one telling him to do this so he gets traded. They wouldn't trade him when he didn't report, so go make sure they trade you. Horrible agent, he needs to fire him! You are right, I forgot who was his agent and his story. So you have the blind leading leading the blind or 2 idiots working together. It does not endure them to the rest of the league. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2021 14:04:38 GMT -5
In Doc's words he didn't do anything horrible, just refused to do defensive drills. Was asked to leave and he did. I don't agree, I would have taken the just shoot three's everytime you have the ball approach so he gets paid or just stayed away. Yet that's basically what Gilmore did, shows up and didn't do anything. Not at all like Gilmore. And regardless of Doc’s comments, what he did was horrible. On what planet is it not horrible for a player to refuse to participate in a simple defensive drill with his teammates for the sole purpose of being a disruption or jerk? That’s not horrible in your book? How exactly is it different than Gilmore? He refused to practice saying he was injured, yet showed up so he didn't get fined. I don't see a difference, two players refusing to do what they are under contract to do. One wants more money, the other to be traded. I don't like either, yet it's part of sports. Yet I've seen no reports of him mouthing off, starting fights and many other crazy things we've seen players do. Yet Ben let them know right after the season he was done and wanted a trade. Right after Doc said he didn't know if Simmons could be a championship PG and Embiid was talking shit about him turning down shots. That's about as good of a reason as any player has to ask to be traded. They should of just traded him. Kinda hard to fix issues with the Coach and the teams best player. If they wanted to keep him, then don't make those comments and certainly don't make them to the press. I put just as much blame on the team, they are trying to force him to play and refusing to trade him. Bill just banished Gilmore to the PUP list and then traded him. I'd feel a lot differently if Doc and Embiid didn't make those comments. It was like pouring gasoline on a forest fire. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2021 14:20:33 GMT -5
Not at all like Gilmore. And regardless of Doc’s comments, what he did was horrible. On what planet is it not horrible for a player to refuse to participate in a simple defensive drill with his teammates for the sole purpose of being a disruption or jerk? That’s not horrible in your book? How exactly is it different than Gilmore? He refused to practice saying he was injured, yet showed up so he didn't get fined. I don't see a difference, two players refusing to do what they are under contract to do. One wants more money, the other to be traded. I don't like either, yet it's part of sports. Yet I've seen no reports of him mouthing off, starting fights and many other crazy things we've seen players do. Yet Ben let them know right after the season he was done and wanted a trade. Right after Doc said he didn't know if Simmons could be a championship PG and Embiid was talking shit about him turning down shots. That's about as good of a reason as any player has to ask to be traded. They should of just traded him. Kinda hard to fix issues with the Coach and the teams best player. If they wanted to keep him, then don't make those comments and certainly don't make them to the press. I put just as much blame on the team, they are trying to force him to play and refusing to trade him. Bill just banished Gilmore to the PUP list and then traded him. I'd feel a lot differently if Doc and Embiid didn't make those comments. It was like pouring gasoline on a forest fire. Because Gilmore was coming off a major injury, never said he didn’t want to play and was a great teammate even when in PUP. Gilmore also would have played when his IR time was up. Simmons showed up, ignores staffers (even low level guys just saying hello), doesn’t talk to his teammates and refuses to participate in practice, despite showing up for them. He’s acting like a child and being a dick to people . Gilmore did none of that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2021 15:47:43 GMT -5
How exactly is it different than Gilmore? He refused to practice saying he was injured, yet showed up so he didn't get fined. I don't see a difference, two players refusing to do what they are under contract to do. One wants more money, the other to be traded. I don't like either, yet it's part of sports. Yet I've seen no reports of him mouthing off, starting fights and many other crazy things we've seen players do. Yet Ben let them know right after the season he was done and wanted a trade. Right after Doc said he didn't know if Simmons could be a championship PG and Embiid was talking shit about him turning down shots. That's about as good of a reason as any player has to ask to be traded. They should of just traded him. Kinda hard to fix issues with the Coach and the teams best player. If they wanted to keep him, then don't make those comments and certainly don't make them to the press. I put just as much blame on the team, they are trying to force him to play and refusing to trade him. Bill just banished Gilmore to the PUP list and then traded him. I'd feel a lot differently if Doc and Embiid didn't make those comments. It was like pouring gasoline on a forest fire. Because Gilmore was coming off a major injury, never said he didn’t want to play and was a great teammate even when in PUP. Gilmore also would have played when his IR time was up. Simmons showed up, ignores staffers (even low level guys just saying hello), doesn’t talk to his teammates and refuses to participate in practice, despite showing up for them. He’s acting like a child and being a dick to people . Gilmore did none of that. Where do you get Gilmore would play without the Patriots giving him what he wanted? That seems to go against the reports saying they traded him because they couldn't agree on his contract. So you believe Gilmore would have just played, yet we traded him for a 6th round pick? I'd also point out the Patriots didn't go down the fine him route, head coach didn't call him out, along with our players. It was handled much differently by both franchises. Even now Embiid is telling the media he's done with him, yet reports say they won't trade him. I don't like what either side is doing frankly. Yet I see it as the same as Gilmore, he was just a lot smarter about it and the team/players handled it much differently. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2021 17:10:38 GMT -5
Because Gilmore was coming off a major injury, never said he didn’t want to play and was a great teammate even when in PUP. Gilmore also would have played when his IR time was up. Simmons showed up, ignores staffers (even low level guys just saying hello), doesn’t talk to his teammates and refuses to participate in practice, despite showing up for them. He’s acting like a child and being a dick to people . Gilmore did none of that. Where do you get Gilmore would play without the Patriots giving him what he wanted? That seems to go against the reports saying they traded him because they couldn't agree on his contract. So you believe Gilmore would have just played, yet we traded him for a 6th round pick? I'd also point out the Patriots didn't go down the fine him route, head coach didn't call him out, along with our players. It was handled much differently by both franchises. Even now Embiid is telling the media he's done with him, yet reports say they won't trade him. I don't like what either side is doing frankly. Yet I see it as the same as Gilmore, he was just a lot smarter about it and the team/players handled it much differently. They asked him to take less money and he said no. He had to play to earn a year to be a free agent. Football doesn’t let guys hold out the full year. |
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