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6/8-6/10 Red Sox vs. Astros Series Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 8, 2021 6:56:44 GMT -5
6/8 Red Sox (LHP Martin Perez, 4-2, 3.09, 58.1 IP, 52K:18BB) vs. Astros (LHP Framber Valdez, 1-0, 1.64, 11.0 IP, 14K:4BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/9 Red Sox (RHP Nathan Eovaldi, 7-2, 3.78, 66.2 IP, 65K:14BB) vs. Astros (RHP Jake Odorizzi, 0-3, 7.16, 16.1 IP, 17K:7BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/10 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez, 5-4, 5.59, 58.0 IP, 65K:14BB) vs. Astros (RHP Zack Greinke, 6-2, 3.38, 82.2 IP, 60K:16BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2021: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 8, 2021 7:34:11 GMT -5
Would be nice to ride the hot streak to a little revenge series win here, especially with our ACE?!?!?! kicking things off
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 8, 2021 7:36:21 GMT -5
Would be nice to ride the hot streak to a little revenge series win here, especially with our ACE?!?!?! kicking things off Payback's a bitch.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 8, 2021 8:16:53 GMT -5
Shout out to our 2nd baseman. Christian Arroyo sporting a .350 OBP
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 8, 2021 8:31:23 GMT -5
The thing about Arroyo is he can play his position too. He keeps this up and this team might start winning some games here, oh wait they already are. Well, maybe we can start beating the Astros.
This team is going to have a chip on it's shoulder all year, because they're exceeding their expectations and playing better than everyone guessed they did. It's so easy to write them off after losing 3 out of 4 to Houston, and it's just as easy for someone to say "This is what happens when they play a good team, they will not compete in October". The Sox can make a huge statement by winning this series.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 8, 2021 8:49:35 GMT -5
Shout out to our 2nd baseman. Christian Arroyo sporting a .350 OBP You mean the guy Cora should keep in the leadoff position until they know if Duran can handle it? Honestly, I prefer Arroyo to Hernandez so if Hernandez gets squeezed out of the OF picture should Duran be able to handle CF and should Renfroe continue somehow to hold his own against RH pitching, then for me Kiké would basically be the short half of a platoon guy coming off the bench. Wonder if Cora would do that? He's already bumped him from the leadoff spot, so maybe he would?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2021 9:33:16 GMT -5
Odorizzi another 2021 offseason SP target who I'm glad the Sox didn't sign.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 8, 2021 10:29:23 GMT -5
Odorizzi another 2021 offseason SP target who I'm glad the Sox didn't sign. Agreed! Now that Kluber is hurt I wonder if the NYY regret having him throw the full 9 innings of the no-hitter? In many of the Red Sox early starts, the starters only threw 80ish pitches. More recently several starters have gone over 100 pitches. I would rather have Cora pull a starter a little early than have one get hurt and miss a couple months. The Red Sox starting five has made all but two starts. I think that is a large factor in how well they have played.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 8, 2021 11:22:04 GMT -5
Shout out to our 2nd baseman. Christian Arroyo sporting a .350 OBP You mean the guy Cora should keep in the leadoff position until they know if Duran can handle it? Honestly, I prefer Arroyo to Hernandez so if Hernandez gets squeezed out of the OF picture should Duran be able to handle CF and should Renfroe continue somehow to hold his own against RH pitching, then for me Kiké would basically be the short half of a platoon guy coming off the bench. Wonder if Cora would do that? He's already bumped him from the leadoff spot, so maybe he would? It would be great if Arroyo can keep this up and be the answer at the top and I think he can or maybe that is just hope!!! Like I said earlier this year, if the lineup can get to a point where Mauro and Kiki are the super utility guys off the bench it makes for a very solid team and with Renfroe and CA they are getting closer. The Sox keep this up and they will be in a good position for the second half with guys coming back and the prospects who could make contributions. Along with enough depth to make a deadline deal for what ever is needed if the situation is right. Been a lot more fun to watch than most thought it would be.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 8, 2021 12:15:49 GMT -5
You mean the guy Cora should keep in the leadoff position until they know if Duran can handle it? Honestly, I prefer Arroyo to Hernandez so if Hernandez gets squeezed out of the OF picture should Duran be able to handle CF and should Renfroe continue somehow to hold his own against RH pitching, then for me Kiké would basically be the short half of a platoon guy coming off the bench. Wonder if Cora would do that? He's already bumped him from the leadoff spot, so maybe he would? It would be great if Arroyo can keep this up and be the answer at the top and I think he can or maybe that is just hope!!! Like I said earlier this year, if the lineup can get to a point where Mauro and Kiki are the super utility guys off the bench it makes for a very solid team and with Renfroe and CA they are getting closer. The Sox keep this up and they will be in a good position for the second half with guys coming back and the prospects who could make contributions. Along with enough depth to make a deadline deal for what ever is needed if the situation is right. Been a lot more fun to watch than most thought it would be. Honestly I don't expect him to stay anywhere near that .350 OBP mark, and I know he's up to .301, but I do think he might manage a .270 something batting average which is kind of like hitting .300 when the league average is under .240. He's not a big walker so his OBP might wind up closer to .320 which is ok, but not great for a leadoff hitter, so no, I don't think he's the ultimate answer as a leadoff hitter, but I think he's a better option than Hernandez and with Cora's reluctance to move up Verdugo, I think Arroyo is their best option, at least until Duran gets a shot. I'm hoping he gets to play regularly at 2b and in the leadoff spot. It seems to me he's hit pretty well when he isn't getting drilled on the thumb. And if he hits well and Duran forces his way up into CF then I do hope Cora readjusts Hernandez's playing time. I do wonder how much longer Renfroe stays hot. I was expecting him to be the short half of a platoon but thus far he's been so damn hot, he's hitting the way you'd want a regular to hit. Yet, I wonder how much of that he can maintain. If he drastically slumps then that might also open up some LF ABs for Duran and keep Hernandez in the lineup in CF more often or it could even open up some ABs for Franchy Cordero if he continues to mash AAA pitching. And I couldn't agree more about how ideally Kiké Hernandez, Marwin Gonzalez, and Danny Santana work best as guys coming off the bench. Actually I think they'd make for a strong bench, but them playing most of the time is not ideal. I'm not sure how they handle 1b at this point. I would think Dalbec needs to play regularly but thus far he's flat out not cutting it against righties, but they need to know for sure going forward if he's part of their future plans or not.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 8, 2021 13:36:12 GMT -5
I'd love for the Sox to work out something to rent Rizzo. Dalbec plus works for me. That would turn our weakest position into a strength.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 8, 2021 13:39:34 GMT -5
I'd love for the Sox to work out something to rent Rizzo. Dalbec plus works for me. That would turn our weakest position into a strength. I would too (they can take Chavis too) but aren't the Cubs in the heat of a pennant race? If so, I don't think they'd be inclined to sell. They'd have to free fall because they're in a relatively weak division where they should have a really decent chance of taking the division.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 8, 2021 13:45:21 GMT -5
You are right.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2021 14:12:49 GMT -5
Plus Rizzo has been dealing with some back issues - he just missed a few games because of them. Would want to make sure the medical checks out as well.
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Post by cba82 on Jun 8, 2021 14:13:36 GMT -5
Why is Plawecki catching for the second game in a row? And, did we ever learn more about the dugout disagreement between Pivetta and Vazquez?
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 8, 2021 14:18:12 GMT -5
I'd love for the Sox to work out something to rent Rizzo. Dalbec plus works for me. That would turn our weakest position into a strength. I’m out on this. I’m on the sustainable contender boat. Don’t think this fits the vision at the moment. Not opposed to flipping Dalbec if the deal is right, but I don’t think this is the time for pricey rentals. Edit: I’m not saying Rizzo isn’t worth Dalbec, just don’t think it fits the plan
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 8, 2021 14:24:48 GMT -5
I'd love for the Sox to work out something to rent Rizzo. Dalbec plus works for me. That would turn our weakest position into a strength. I’m out on this. I’m on the sustainable contender boat. Don’t think this fits the vision at the moment. Not opposed to flipping Dalbec if the deal is right, but I don’t think this is the time for pricey rentals. Edit: I’m not saying Rizzo isn’t worth Dalbec, just don’t think it fits the plan If the Cubs weren't contenders and if Bloom didn't see Dalbec as somebody who fits the future of the Red Sox, I'd think he'd consider pulling the trigger. Maybe he'd expand it in a way the Sox get a young piece back so that when Rizzo walked the Sox got something else, sort of the way Brock Holt was included in the Hanrahan deal. It's probably a moot point because the Cubs are going to be in the race all year with nobody pulling away in the NLC race.
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 8, 2021 14:29:51 GMT -5
I’m out on this. I’m on the sustainable contender boat. Don’t think this fits the vision at the moment. Not opposed to flipping Dalbec if the deal is right, but I don’t think this is the time for pricey rentals. Edit: I’m not saying Rizzo isn’t worth Dalbec, just don’t think it fits the plan If the Cubs weren't contenders and if Bloom didn't see Dalbec as somebody who fits the future of the Red Sox, I'd think he'd consider pulling the trigger. Maybe he'd expand it in a way the Sox get a young piece back so that when Rizzo walked the Sox got something else, sort of the way Brock Holt was included in the Hanrahan deal. It's probably a moot point because the Cubs are going to be in the race all year with nobody pulling away in the NLC race. Yeah I think the Rizzo thing is a moot point. But as to the idea in general of trading real value (Jaylen Beeks types etc. are fine) for rentals, I don’t really see see that happening or want it to happen. Probably just Eovaldi and Pierce types moves IMO, and I’m fine with it.
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Post by soxinsf on Jun 8, 2021 14:52:18 GMT -5
Why is Plawecki catching for the second game in a row? And, did we ever learn more about the dugout disagreement between Pivetta and Vazquez? Great question. Has Pivetta worked himself into a position in which he will not work with Vasquez? Any info on the back story here? If not, we will just have to wait for the next time Pivetta comes around in the rotation.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 8, 2021 15:07:49 GMT -5
If the Cubs weren't contenders and if Bloom didn't see Dalbec as somebody who fits the future of the Red Sox, I'd think he'd consider pulling the trigger. Maybe he'd expand it in a way the Sox get a young piece back so that when Rizzo walked the Sox got something else, sort of the way Brock Holt was included in the Hanrahan deal. It's probably a moot point because the Cubs are going to be in the race all year with nobody pulling away in the NLC race. Yeah I think the Rizzo thing is a moot point. But as to the idea in general of trading real value (Jaylen Beeks types etc. are fine) for rentals, I don’t really see see that happening or want it to happen. Probably just Eovaldi and Pierce types moves IMO, and I’m fine with it. If you're not willing to trade a Dalbec when you have Casas coming up behind him when you don't see him as part of the future, then who are you willing to trade? I agree that the Sox won't and shouldn't be players for Scherzer. None of their highly rated prospects are going and I don't foresee Bloom doing a lot of wheeling and dealing to be honest. He might obtain a 1b, but it will be somebody a lot less than Rizzo probably, but he's not going to trade away anybody who will be a core member and he won't overpay for an acquisition either. I expect him to make moves at the margins but that's about it. And I do expect him to be stingy with pitching and like others said, he's probably looking to deal from the edges of the 40 man roster, guys he'd have to protect otherwise, so yeah, I'm not expecting any big names, but if a Rizzo for Dalbec or Chavis was on the table, I'd think he'd probably do it. That said, we both agree that's not happening.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2021 15:11:20 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jun 8, 2021 16:23:41 GMT -5
JD back at Boss Position:
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Post by ramireja on Jun 8, 2021 16:43:09 GMT -5
Anyone else welcoming Greinke with open arms after getting acquainted with Urquidy and Garcia last week?
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Post by cdj on Jun 8, 2021 16:48:04 GMT -5
Anyone else welcoming Greinke with open arms after getting acquainted with Urquidy and Garcia last week? Yeah plz no more Luis Garcia I don’t need somebody blanking us while doing the cha cha on the mound. It’s doubly insulting
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 8, 2021 17:25:55 GMT -5
“I think that’s really important having that relationship with (Vázquez) and being able to communicate,” Pivetta said. “So, him just getting me back where I need to be and (we) move forward from there.”
And move on is exactly what Pivetta did in the tough-luck loss, which was his first of the season. Pivetta ended up going six full innings with three hits and two earned runs. He struck out nine Houston batters while throwing 72 of his 111 pitches for strikes.
“We just kept moving forward with our game plan,” Pivetta said. “Me and (Vázquez) we work really, really well together and I enjoy throwing to him. So he’s a competitor back there and I’m a competitor on the mound, and when me and him click it’s really good.”
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