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Post by runner on Dec 19, 2022 0:27:49 GMT -5
Can the Red Sox DFA Brasier without having to pay $2.3 in 2023 because of his arbitration? I think there's a rule that says you can cut a arbitration player in spring training and only need to pay like less than half the contract. I think Brasier gets claimed or traded if he got put on waivers.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 19, 2022 2:09:01 GMT -5
Can the Red Sox DFA Brasier without having to pay $2.3 in 2023 because of his arbitration? As of right now, Brasier doesn't have a contract at all - so yes.
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Post by runner on Dec 19, 2022 9:10:09 GMT -5
Can the Red Sox DFA Brasier without having to pay $2.3 in 2023 because of his arbitration? As of right now, Brasier doesn't have a contract at all - so yes. They tendered Brasier a contract. They just haven't settled on a contract through either settlement or arbitration. You're hoping he gets claimed or traded if DFA'd or you still owe him some money.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 19, 2022 12:36:26 GMT -5
As of right now, Brasier doesn't have a contract at all - so yes. They tendered Brasier a contract. They just haven't settled on a contract through either settlement or arbitration. You're hoping he gets claimed or traded if DFA'd or you still owe him some money. In theory he could be eligible for 30-day termination pay (which has been the case if the player is released more than 16 days before season starts, but during spring training) but we haven't seen this come up during the new CBA yet. He also has 5 years of MLB experience now, which in previous CBAs would further complicate the matter, but it isn't clear if that's still the case.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 20, 2022 9:47:24 GMT -5
Anyone here know Bobby Dalbec (seriously)? I was thinking last night that, back when they drafted him, I thought they would develop him as a pitcher because he'd thrown 93-95 mph in college. Now I'm wondering if it's time he thought about becoming a reliever with an eye to starting down the road.
Not as crazy as it may sound to some. His arm remains strong, and he'd only need two pitches to work in relief (three would be better, but two gets it done). The hard part for him is he'd have to accept a minor league assignment, but perhaps, since his current MLB salary is so low (relatively), he could negotiate continuing to receive that salary while he's down in the minors. I'm assuming he still has that 93-95 mph fastball, but I have no idea if he has a slider, curve or change-up. Still, it would be a way to stay in the game, be productive and get paid. Anyone else?
And I repeat, does anyone know him or one of the pitching coaches? I'm sure this isn't an original thought, but the guy is 27. If he doesn't get it at the plate by now, it probably won't happen.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 20, 2022 10:03:51 GMT -5
Anyone here know Bobby Dalbec (seriously)? I was thinking last night that, back when they drafted him, I thought they would develop him as a pitcher because he'd thrown 93-95 mph in college. Now I'm wondering if it's time he thought about becoming a reliever with an eye to starting down the road. Not as crazy as it may sound to some. His arm remains strong, and he'd only need two pitches to work in relief (three would be better, but two gets it done). The hard part for him is he'd have to accept a minor league assignment, but perhaps, since his current MLB salary is so low (relatively), he could negotiate continuing to receive that salary while he's down in the minors. I'm assuming he still has that 93-95 mph fastball, but I have no idea if he has a slider, curve or change-up. Still, it would be a way to stay in the game, be productive and get paid. Anyone else? And I repeat, does anyone know him or one of the pitching coaches? I'm sure this isn't an original thought, but the guy is 27. If he doesn't get it at the plate by now, it probably won't happen. He hates pitching. Didn't want to do it at Arizona, only did it because they needed him to. There's a reason Cora never threw him in during a blowout
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Post by jmei on Dec 20, 2022 10:28:13 GMT -5
Pitching conversions almost always go terribly. He’d have to essentially wash out of the majors as a hitter before you’d go in that direction. I think Dalbec has at least two years of rope left before I’d even think about it.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 20, 2022 11:05:18 GMT -5
Pitching conversions almost always go terribly. He’d have to essentially wash out of the majors as a hitter before you’d go in that direction. I think Dalbec has at least two years of rope left before I’d even think about it. And here I was thinking he'd be Bobby deGrombec. Got it.
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Post by orion09 on Dec 20, 2022 11:12:38 GMT -5
Not to mention, how many fungible guys are there around the league who throw 93-95? Hundreds? Just one example: Eduard Bazardo, who not only throws that hard, but has a filthy 3000 RPM breaking ball, and just got DFA’d. Dalbec hasn’t pitched since college, hasn’t worked his way up the ladder in the minor leagues, and has no experience getting professional hitters of any level out. You have to imagine it would take a few years for him even to have a shot. Meanwhile, he’s providing at least *some* value at the major league level with his bat - enough to stick on an MLB roster
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 24, 2023 14:46:29 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 25, 2023 4:31:55 GMT -5
Now that they've traded Taylor and are down to 1 LHR (and maybe Paxton in a multi-inning role), and there's talk of adding a FA LHR, it's worth noting that three of the four pitching NRI's are lefty relievers.
If they're high on all 3 it's probably safe to say that they'd be comfortable not adding anyone and letting the trio fight it out in ST.
Projected pitching staff is at present down to 13 guys, one less than usual, and should probably add LHR Acquisition or NRI.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jan 25, 2023 8:51:26 GMT -5
Honestly could see this meaning Walter to the pen come June, barring him completely blowing up in aaa
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Post by incandenza on Feb 16, 2023 10:03:23 GMT -5
So are big ERA/FIP splits predictive or aren't they? If they are, then Joely has clearly been better than Smith. If they aren't, then Bleier has clearly been better than Smith. Either way, Smith is not the best of the three.
I'm also not a fan of putting a guy with such large splits as Smith (5.72 FIP/5.04 xFIP against righties in 2022; 4.26/4.09 for his career) in the closer role - those are worse numbers against righties than both Bleier and Joely, in fact. So if they absolutely need to have a backup closer in case Jansen is hurt or ineffective I think they have better options anyway (Martin and Schreiber for starters).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 16, 2023 12:18:02 GMT -5
So are big ERA/FIP splits predictive or aren't they? If they are, then Joely has clearly been better than Smith. If they aren't, then Bleier has clearly been better than Smith. Either way, Smith is not the best of the three.
I'm also not a fan of putting a guy with such large splits as Smith (5.72 FIP/5.04 xFIP against righties in 2022; 4.26/4.09 for his career) in the closer role - those are worse numbers against righties than both Bleier and Joely, in fact. So if they absolutely need to have a backup closer in case Jansen is hurt or ineffective I think they have better options anyway (Martin and Schreiber for starters).
Then I guess all those teams that had Smith closing including the Braves must have been stupid. They should have just acquired Joely Rodriguez and it would have all worked out the same or even better. Guess those other teams were pretty dumb not to see them as interchangeable. I prefer to see it as they saw a guy they wanted to hand the ball to in high leverage late inning situations in Smith. Not claiming that Smith is Mariano Rivers. He's been a borderline closer, one who can fill in if needed or be replaced if a better option comes along. At this point its all irrelevant anyways. Bloom is going to go with Bleier and Rodriguez and Sheriff is not a bad option if somebody gets hurt. I don't expect to see Smith in a Sox uniform anyways. He'll latch on with somebody for cheap.
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Post by terriblehondo on Feb 19, 2023 13:34:58 GMT -5
Anyone here know Bobby Dalbec (seriously)? I was thinking last night that, back when they drafted him, I thought they would develop him as a pitcher because he'd thrown 93-95 mph in college. Now I'm wondering if it's time he thought about becoming a reliever with an eye to starting down the road. Not as crazy as it may sound to some. His arm remains strong, and he'd only need two pitches to work in relief (three would be better, but two gets it done). The hard part for him is he'd have to accept a minor league assignment, but perhaps, since his current MLB salary is so low (relatively), he could negotiate continuing to receive that salary while he's down in the minors. I'm assuming he still has that 93-95 mph fastball, but I have no idea if he has a slider, curve or change-up. Still, it would be a way to stay in the game, be productive and get paid. Anyone else? And I repeat, does anyone know him or one of the pitching coaches? I'm sure this isn't an original thought, but the guy is 27. If he doesn't get it at the plate by now, it probably won't happen. He hates pitching. Didn't want to do it at Arizona, only did it because they needed him to. There's a reason Cora never threw him in during a blowout He might not like it but another year like last year and he might not have any choice. In college he was a good pitcher. I thought he was a better pitcher than position player. Cora said the same thing at one time in an article I read. Dalbec still seems dead set against it though so he had better start hitting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 20, 2023 11:11:12 GMT -5
Dalbec has made it to the major leagues as a hitter. I think folks are downplaying how hard that is to do (both as a hitter and as a pitcher). And it's not like he's been the Shaq Thompson of MLB - he's a career 101 wRC+.
Does he have to make adjustments? Yup. But people are making it sound like just starting to pitch again he'd instantly be at worst a good setup guy. "Might not be more than a good bench bat" is very different than "he's not getting out of A-ball as a hitter" like guys like Jordan Weems, Williams Jerez, and Yoan Aybar were (or Trey Ball, to use the inverse). IMO Dalbec is years from trying to pitch (and the work involved to pick that up after not doing it for *seven* years) being a reasonable decision for him.
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Post by seamus on Feb 20, 2023 11:25:15 GMT -5
I don't think Dalbec is capable of being an everyday player on a good team right now (probably never will be, but there's a non-negligible chance he puts it together for a couple of seasons, like Shaw did in Milwaukee). However, he's absolutely a solid ML bench bat right now who'd be legitimately impactful in a lineup that can deploy him effectively against lefties (like the Cardinals with Pujols last year). I just don't think he has a role on this Red Sox team outside of injury insurance, though even then they could cobble together other options. I'd try to trade him if I could get back anybody interesting, but he's fine as a depth bat option if there are no takers. If the Sox were really at the point that they were ready to give up on him as a hitter, they probably have a better chance of getting a pitcher who can even reach AA by trading him for a random 18-year-old playing in the DSL than by converting him to pitcher.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 20, 2023 17:03:05 GMT -5
Odds are still much greater that bobby D becomes an annual 30 HR slugger than is ever a capable reliever.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 16, 2023 11:58:10 GMT -5
It took me a while to find this thread and bump it up. But with Schreiber being injured last night there is a hole in the pen that can't be filled by a call up or moving the next guy up the line.
The obvious replacement in my mind is Tanner Houk. Not in a long roll, in the 7th or 8th inning role. Maybe even back up closer. Looking back on Tanners best streak of performance in the bigs, June 2022 stands out.
app: 11 Inn: 11.2 era: 1.54 (only 2 runs allowed) WHIP: 1.11 Saves: 6 K/BB: 15/1
It is only a month, but his effectiveness only minimally dropped off in July, then injured early August.
Houk could be used out of the pen as soon as Saturday.
If I'm Cora, the conversation I'm having with Houk today is the we have a big hole and I need you to fill it. You are the best option we have to fill it.
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Post by grandsalami on May 16, 2023 13:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on May 16, 2023 13:43:29 GMT -5
Well, at least we can look to get 8 from Pivetta and 7 from Bello?
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 16, 2023 13:49:41 GMT -5
Well, at least we can look to get 8 from Pivetta and 7 from Bello? Ort's free fall down the depth chart continues.....
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on May 16, 2023 17:11:43 GMT -5
Well, at least we can look to get 8 from Pivetta and 7 from Bello? Ort's free fall down the depth chart continues..... Do we think so, or are they giving him more time to work on the new pitch?
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 16, 2023 17:20:26 GMT -5
Ort's free fall down the depth chart continues..... Do we think so, or are they giving him more time to work on the new pitch? Oh, I did not know he was working on a new pitch. Hope it is a difference maker !
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on May 16, 2023 17:21:05 GMT -5
Do we think so, or are they giving him more time to work on the new pitch? Oh, I did not know he was working on a new pitch. Hope it is a difference maker ! Only way to go is up!
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