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9/30-10/2 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 2, 2022 14:42:15 GMT -5
Bobby came to play at least, only Sox RBIs for the entire series
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2022 14:46:07 GMT -5
Tanner Houck/Garrett Whitlock vs Blue Jays in 2022 (combined):
6 games, 13 IP, 1.38 ERA
I kinda forgot that Houck hasn’t pitched in two months because he just faded out of the picture in July once his back flared up - it’s in a series like this against a bunch of righties (and, uh, Ramiel Tapia) that you think back to early expectations of Whitlock & Houck being a pair of multi-inning beasts. Just neither stayed healthy unfortunately
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 2, 2022 14:51:26 GMT -5
Our defense is as bad as Toronto's is really good
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Post by station13 on Oct 2, 2022 15:10:00 GMT -5
Bobby came to play at least, only Sox RBIs for the entire series That is unbelievable. I think they all mail it in before this trip
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Post by station13 on Oct 2, 2022 15:11:12 GMT -5
German is another meatballer
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 2, 2022 15:14:35 GMT -5
The lineup Cora put on the field convinces me he is determined to wrest the 12th draft spot away from the D-Backs. And the players are responding to his leadership. They're on board with the mission.
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Post by station13 on Oct 2, 2022 15:23:01 GMT -5
JDM, Xander and Dever have put together 1 run, 0 RBI on this trip.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 2, 2022 15:25:44 GMT -5
I would say perhaps there’s some margin for error in the calculation for defensive WAR, in general. I don’t treat that stuff as gospel. If you are going to tell me that Story played $15m of defense(or whatever it is) this season for the Sox, I’m going to call bullshit there. He definitely plays good defense. But he was mostly uninspiring with the bat and he missed half the season. For you, and others, to circle the wagons and pretend that he was mostly worth the money this season is ridiculous. He was a virtual non-factor. This is when advanced metrics meet reality, IMO. You're right man, why use stats and resources when we can just ask you. Crazy that all these major league teams aren't killing each other for the chance to hire you why are you responding with a personal attack on his post to incandenza ?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 2, 2022 15:27:06 GMT -5
You're right man, why use stats and resources when we can just ask you. Crazy that all these major league teams aren't killing each other for the chance to hire you why are you responding with a personal attack on his post to incandenza ? Dammit, hit the wrong one haha. Sorry Incandenza
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 2, 2022 15:31:02 GMT -5
why are you responding with a personal attack on his post to incandenza ? Dammit, hit the wrong one haha. Sorry Incandenza So, a personal attack would have been Okay if you hit the correct one?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 2, 2022 15:34:56 GMT -5
How about a game thread post? Swept by the Jays, outscored 25 to 3.
RISP - 1 for 10, 16 LOB total for the three games
Starting pitching 13 innings 13 ER Pen 12 innings 12 ER
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 2, 2022 15:36:17 GMT -5
Dammit, hit the wrong one haha. Sorry Incandenza So, a personal attack would have been Okay if you hit the correct one? I wouldn't really call that a personal attack
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Post by manfred on Oct 2, 2022 15:57:46 GMT -5
I expected Story to have a bit of a down year due to his late start to ST. When he played he was a productive player. As others have pointed out, 4 WAR is a solid player. But he's already a disappointment if you believe two things: 1.) CB signed him to replace X at SS and 2.) The metrics on his arm strength say in a loud voice that he's not a candidate to play SS. Still, I'd love to go into 2023 with an IF of Casas, Story, X and Raffy. That might be one of the best in the game. We need to figure out a solid platoon in LF (I'm Ok with Dugie in RF), add some DH types who can platoon and also play the field on occasion) and hit on several relievers. The line about barking seals slamming their flippers together made me laugh. The imagery is priceless. I thought this was the Red Sox vs Blue Jay thread (not the Story sucks thread)? But what if it is Story’s fault they lost the series 25-3?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 2, 2022 16:05:26 GMT -5
And if you look at their Fangraphs contract value, Arroyo has been worth $2m and Story is at $19m Who knew Story was such a bargain? All I thought I saw from him this year was half a season of good defense, a couple hot streaks and a zillions strikeouts. Thank you Fangraphs for changing my line of thinking entirely. Who knew Story was such a bargain? All I thought I saw from him this year was half a season of good defense, a couple hot streaks and a zillions strikeouts. Thank you Fangraphs for changing my line of thinking entirely. I mean yeah, he played elite defense at 2B with average offense, which put him on a 4 WAR pace for 94 games. That's about two and a half WAR. What part of the calculation do you disagree with? Who knew Story was such a bargain? All I thought I saw from him this year was half a season of good defense, a couple hot streaks and a zillions strikeouts. Thank you Fangraphs for changing my line of thinking entirely. Is it fair to refer to this post as the dumbest thing I've read all day, or is that out-of-bounds? Is it fair to refer to this post as the dumbest thing I've read all day, or is that out-of-bounds? You are correct! That is the dumbest thing I read today, but typical….. I thought this was the Red Sox vs Blue Jay thread (not the Story sucks thread)? Read these posts and see where the tenor changed. Not 1 person has said Story sucks. A comment by benzinger was responded above, and I am sorry, you were a part of it. That is why I am getting involved here. There is no way this is on the original post and the responses have been out of line.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 2, 2022 16:08:23 GMT -5
So, a personal attack would have been Okay if you hit the correct one? I wouldn't really call that a personal attack So what was it that you were apologizing for?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2022 16:24:23 GMT -5
But what if it is Story’s fault they lost the series 25-3? lol, Story caused the losses by not being there. You must also blame Whitlock, Houck, Sale, Paxton, … with that kind of logic. That is even more ridiculous than your typical comment. You couldn't tell that he was clearly joking?
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Post by benzinger on Oct 2, 2022 18:53:58 GMT -5
So, a personal attack would have been Okay if you hit the correct one? I wouldn't really call that a personal attack Actually, that’s ALL you’ve done in this thread. You’ve called me stupid multiple times and generally been obnoxious and condescending in every other post(you can re-read them yourself). Meanwhile, I’ve mostly been responding to Incandenza, but you’ve been stalking every post I make for some reason. And what was my crime? Not accepting the premise that Story provided $15m of defensive value this season while believing that he underperformed his contract. Heaven forbid.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 2, 2022 18:55:58 GMT -5
On another topic, has ANY team ever brutalized the Red Sox as systematically as the Blue Jays systematically dismantled the Red Sox this season? I can’t recall anything like it. Not just the wins and losses of the season series, but the lopsided nature of almost every game. It feels like the Red Sox just got destroyed every time out.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 2, 2022 19:08:07 GMT -5
On another topic, has ANY team ever brutalized the Red Sox as systematically as the Blue Jays systematically dismantled the Red Sox this season? I can’t recall anything like it. Not just the wins and losses of the season series, but the lopsided nature of almost every game. It feels like the Red Sox just got destroyed every time out. There were multiple games like the 5-2 lead with two outs in the 9th that Diekman blew or the game at Fenway against Romano they should have had. But that 28-5 game might be worth 5-6 games of humiliation by itself lol
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2022 19:59:31 GMT -5
On another topic, has ANY team ever brutalized the Red Sox as systematically as the Blue Jays systematically dismantled the Red Sox this season? I can’t recall anything like it. Not just the wins and losses of the season series, but the lopsided nature of almost every game. It feels like the Red Sox just got destroyed every time out. There were multiple games like the 5-2 lead with two outs in the 9th that Diekman blew or the game at Fenway against Romano they should have had. But that 28-5 game might be worth 5-6 games of humiliation by itself lol I was more annoyed that the pitching (I forgot which hitter was pitching) managed to avoid allowing at least two more runs. They weren't that far off from the record. Baltimore gave up 30 runs to Texas in a game in 2007 which was the most since the 19th century. Instead it was just a hum drum run of the mill embarassing a$$ kicking. I figure if they're going to suck, they might as well make it record setting. lol
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 2, 2022 20:25:23 GMT -5
There were multiple games like the 5-2 lead with two outs in the 9th that Diekman blew or the game at Fenway against Romano they should have had. But that 28-5 game might be worth 5-6 games of humiliation by itself lol I was more annoyed that the pitching (I forgot which hitter was pitching) managed to avoid allowing at least two more runs. They weren't that far off from the record. Baltimore gave up 30 runs to Texas in a game in 2007 which was the most since the 19th century. Instead it was just a hum drum run of the mill embarassing a$$ kicking. I figure if they're going to suck, they might as well make it record setting. lol It would have happened if they gave Darwinzon an extra few batters lol
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2022 20:38:54 GMT -5
I was more annoyed that the pitching (I forgot which hitter was pitching) managed to avoid allowing at least two more runs. They weren't that far off from the record. Baltimore gave up 30 runs to Texas in a game in 2007 which was the most since the 19th century. Instead it was just a hum drum run of the mill embarassing a$$ kicking. I figure if they're going to suck, they might as well make it record setting. lol It would have happened if they gave Darwinzon an extra few batters lol He was one of those players in this season who stood out for how bad he truly was. Hernandez was brutal to watch pitch. I'm sure there are others but I probably blanked them out of my mind. I'll remember Franchy butchering 1b, Duran butchering CF, Arroyo proving he can't handle RF. Oh Ryan Brasier was a complete torch that comes to mind. So many forgettable performances What a year.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 2, 2022 21:30:24 GMT -5
It would have happened if they gave Darwinzon an extra few batters lol He was one of those players in this season who stood out for how bad he truly was. Hernandez was brutal to watch pitch. I'm sure there are others but I probably blanked them out of my mind. I'll remember Franchy butchering 1b, Duran butchering CF, Arroyo proving he can't handle RF. Oh Ryan Brasier was a complete torch that comes to mind. So many forgettable performances What a year. Next year can’t be worse and at least we’ll see some spending this off-season. I do wonder if Chaim is going to spend significant money on free agent pitching, especially the bullpen
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2022 22:07:26 GMT -5
He was one of those players in this season who stood out for how bad he truly was. Hernandez was brutal to watch pitch. I'm sure there are others but I probably blanked them out of my mind. I'll remember Franchy butchering 1b, Duran butchering CF, Arroyo proving he can't handle RF. Oh Ryan Brasier was a complete torch that comes to mind. So many forgettable performances What a year. Next year can’t be worse and at least we’ll see some spending this off-season. I do wonder if Chaim is going to spend significant money on free agent pitching, especially the bullpen I listened to his interview with Rob Bradford and it sounded like (if I understood correctly) he was talking about allocating money for the bullpen to get more certainty. I anticipate a lot of money being spent spread around to fill a lot of holes. I don't anticipate a marquis free agent addition. I'm guessing a corner OF, perhaps a DH, a starting pitcher (one will be a $15 - $20 million/year pitcher) or two, at least a couple of relievers, probably 3 or 4 of varying dollar amounts, but no big-time closer type.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 2, 2022 22:59:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't really call that a personal attack Actually, that’s ALL you’ve done in this thread. You’ve called me stupid multiple times and generally been obnoxious and condescending in every other post(you can re-read them yourself). Meanwhile, I’ve mostly been responding to Incandenza, but you’ve been stalking every post I make for some reason. And what was my crime? Not accepting the premise that Story provided $15m of defensive value this season while believing that he underperformed his contract. Heaven forbid. I didn't call you stupid, I literally just QT your post. All you've been is a huge Debbie downer in every thread, yeah this season's sucked, but people like yourself have just been commenting miserable stuff every time.
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