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Post by bcsox on Jun 7, 2024 13:02:40 GMT -5
Even though I brought it up I am not sure a trade pissing of the clubhouse should be a major consideration for a GM. I seem to recall the trading of Christian Vasquez was very poorly received in the clubhouse. That has turned out to be a fantastic trade for the RS.
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Post by oleary25 on Jun 7, 2024 13:20:18 GMT -5
Not exactly trade deadline information wasn’t sure where to this. Harold Ramirez desinated for assignment by Tampa Bay Rhh plays first an OF GOOD replacement for Garrett Cooper.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 13, 2024 22:12:49 GMT -5
Just as a hypothetical - if this team were to actually buy at the deadline, what type of player should/would they target? Obviously if they go on a sustained losing stretch and/or even more guys gets hurt they’ll sell, we all get that. But if we wake up the last week of July and they’re sitting in a wild card spot or legit inches away from it, who are the dudes you target? (Bear in mind any acquisition that requires Mayer, Anthony, or Teel probably results in Breslow hanging up immediately.)
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 13, 2024 22:17:22 GMT -5
Just as a hypothetical - if this team were to actually buy at the deadline, what type of player should/would they target? Obviously if they go on a sustained losing stretch and/or even more guys gets hurt they’ll sell, we all get that. But if we wake up the last week of July and they’re sitting in a wild card spot or legit inches away from it, who are the dudes you target? (Bear in mind any acquisition that requires Mayer, Anthony, or Teel probably results in Breslow hanging up immediately.) Starting pitcher. And probably a controllable one.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 13, 2024 23:22:51 GMT -5
Just as a hypothetical - if this team were to actually buy at the deadline, what type of player should/would they target? Obviously if they go on a sustained losing stretch and/or even more guys gets hurt they’ll sell, we all get that. But if we wake up the last week of July and they’re sitting in a wild card spot or legit inches away from it, who are the dudes you target? (Bear in mind any acquisition that requires Mayer, Anthony, or Teel probably results in Breslow hanging up immediately.) Crochet and/or Robert Jr. I’m sure the O’s will be stiff competition for both, but might as well try. Though he hasn’t had the best season, Luzardo would be great as well.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 14, 2024 0:31:38 GMT -5
Just as a hypothetical - if this team were to actually buy at the deadline, what type of player should/would they target? Obviously if they go on a sustained losing stretch and/or even more guys gets hurt they’ll sell, we all get that. But if we wake up the last week of July and they’re sitting in a wild card spot or legit inches away from it, who are the dudes you target? (Bear in mind any acquisition that requires Mayer, Anthony, or Teel probably results in Breslow hanging up immediately.) Crochet and/or Robert Jr. I’m sure the O’s will be stiff competition for both, but might as well try. Though he hasn’t had the best season, Luzardo would be great as well. Crochet or Robert would cost one of the big 3 each plus plenty of sweetener. I'd be intrigued. They both have warts, in the form of injury risk. With Crochet it just comes with the territory; with Robert, he's got a track record already. But both are cheap and controlled. Not as interested in Luzardo.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jun 14, 2024 5:22:53 GMT -5
Robert Jr. easy. Good defensive corner outfielder and a RH power bat to slot between Devers and Casa, for 20M a year (neither cheap nor expensive) and 2 more years of control.
BUT only if we could do it while keeping the big 3. Realistically I would start at Duran+Valdez+Fitts and see how far off we are from it.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 14, 2024 5:37:06 GMT -5
Robert Jr. easy. Good defensive corner outfielder and a RH power bat to slot between Devers and Casa, for 20M a year (neither cheap nor expensive) and 2 more years of control. BUT only if we could do it while keeping the big 3. Realistically I would start at Duran+Valdez+Fitts and see how far off we are from it. Duran is arguably better than Robert at this point and is controlled for an extra 2 years at a fraction of the price. Hard pass.
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Post by fisk75 on Jun 14, 2024 5:43:19 GMT -5
I would love to see trading for an upgrade to the Criswell spot in the rotation.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 14, 2024 6:31:35 GMT -5
I would love to see trading for an upgrade to the Criswell spot in the rotation. At the very least, another SP option would be nice. The next guys up from Worcester are like Winckowski, Fitts and Penrod (if healthy). In terms of available starters from clear sellers, this is what I was able to gauge below. It’s tough because 1) there’s a lot of parity this year, so buyers and sellers aren’t fully clear yet - I’m sure this list will grow, and 2) if a starter has more than like 3 years of control if a team ISN’T asking for one of your top prospects in return, that starter probably isn’t very good and won’t move the needle. White Sox Crochet - 2.5 years Fedde - 1.5 years A’s Paul Blackburn? (IL) - 1.5 years Angels Tyler Anderson - 1.5 years Canning - 1.5 years Marlins Luzardo - 2.5 years Rockies Quantrill - 1.5 years Mets Severino - rental Manea - rental* (has opt out) Honestly I don’t think Houston will sell, but were they to… ya know Old Man Verlander has half of his salary being paid down by Steve Cohen
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 14, 2024 6:39:35 GMT -5
If the Sox are still in the race at the deadline it really shouldn't be too hard for them to acquire a rental SP option to slot in to the 5th spot. If they are still in it that certainly would be one of my hopes.
Backend SP, RHH IF, and can never have too much BP help but that would be more luxury than need. I can't imagine that these would cost any sort of package that would harm the farm much if at all. Especially if all of them were rentals. Obviously gets more pricey if they are not rentals. Drury is having a bad year but he has only played 30 games so looks like maybe he's just been hurt. I'd take him and that contract for some low level minors lotto ticket if the Angels would bite.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 14, 2024 6:44:31 GMT -5
I would love to see trading for an upgrade to the Criswell spot in the rotation. At the very least, another SP option would be nice. The next guys up from Worcester are like Winckowski, Fitts and Penrod (if healthy). In terms of available starters from clear sellers, this is what I was able to gauge below. It’s tough because 1) there’s a lot of parity this year, so buyers and sellers aren’t fully clear yet - I’m sure this list will grow, and 2) if a starter has more than like 3 years of control if a team ISN’T asking for one of your top prospects in return, that starter probably isn’t very good and won’t move the needle. White Sox Crochet - 2.5 years Fedde - 1.5 years A’s Paul Blackburn? (IL) - 1.5 years Angels Tyler Anderson - 1.5 years Canning - 1.5 years Marlins Luzardo - 2.5 years Rockies Quantrill - 1.5 years Mets Severino - rental Manea - rental* (has opt out) Honestly I don’t think Houston will sell, but were they to… ya know Old Man Verlander has half of his salary being paid down by Steve Cohen Would add Trevor Rogers from Miami to this list too. I like Quantrill a lot as a target but the Rockies are always weird. Fedde’s an interesting one too
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 14, 2024 7:10:00 GMT -5
I would love to see trading for an upgrade to the Criswell spot in the rotation. At the very least, another SP option would be nice. The next guys up from Worcester are like Winckowski, Fitts and Penrod (if healthy). In terms of available starters from clear sellers, this is what I was able to gauge below. It’s tough because 1) there’s a lot of parity this year, so buyers and sellers aren’t fully clear yet - I’m sure this list will grow, and 2) if a starter has more than like 3 years of control if a team ISN’T asking for one of your top prospects in return, that starter probably isn’t very good and won’t move the needle. White Sox Crochet - 2.5 years Fedde - 1.5 years A’s Paul Blackburn? (IL) - 1.5 years Angels Tyler Anderson - 1.5 years Canning - 1.5 years Marlins Luzardo - 2.5 years Rockies Quantrill - 1.5 years Mets Severino - rental Manea - rental* (has opt out) Honestly I don’t think Houston will sell, but were they to… ya know Old Man Verlander has half of his salary being paid down by Steve Cohen My thoughts in regards to trying to get someone with control left is that it should be someone more in the mold of a 2/3 starter than a backend guy. As the adage says can never have too much pitching but next year health permitting they already have Houck, Bello, Crawford and Giolito for 4 spots with guys like Criswell, Fitts, Perales, Whitlock, Winck as potential SP depth. They also should have plenty of money to spend so I'd personally like to see them make a run at Fried, Burnes or Sasaki. Based off that, Crochet and Luzardo are really the only people with term left that I'd want them to go after.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 14, 2024 7:47:00 GMT -5
White Sox Crochet - 2.5 years Fedde - 1.5 years A’s Paul Blackburn? (IL) - 1.5 years Angels Tyler Anderson - 1.5 years Canning - 1.5 years Marlins Luzardo - 2.5 years Rockies Quantrill - 1.5 years Mets Severino - rental Manea - rental* (has opt out) Honestly I don’t think Houston will sell, but were they to… ya know Old Man Verlander has half of his salary being paid down by Steve Cohen My thoughts in regards to trying to get someone with control left is that it should be someone more in the mold of a 2/3 starter than a backend guy. As the adage says can never have too much pitching but next year health permitting they already have Houck, Bello, Crawford and Giolito for 4 spots with guys like Criswell, Fitts, Perales, Whitlock, Winck as potential SP depth. They also should have plenty of money to spend so I'd personally like to see them make a run at Fried, Burnes or Sasaki. Based off that, Crochet and Luzardo are really the only people with term left that I'd want them to go after. I guess the question is: who are we willing to put on the hook for trade bait? The Big 3 (Mayer, Roman, Teel) are all tearing up AA and just seem mentally built to play in Boston (see Mayer having pictures of duckboats on the background on his phone) - I can’t imagine giving them up between their talent and how close they are to MLB. Perales just got a weird arm injury, even if you were inclined to move him. Bleis and Cespedes with their upside would feel like guys who keep you up at night if you trade them (“did we just do a Tatis-James Shields deal?”). But once you get past those guys I don’t know to extent you have dudes to trade who could net you a Crochet or a Luzardo (EDIT - just looked at Luzardo’s numbers this year - oof.). It’s tricky.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 14, 2024 7:54:31 GMT -5
My thoughts in regards to trying to get someone with control left is that it should be someone more in the mold of a 2/3 starter than a backend guy. As the adage says can never have too much pitching but next year health permitting they already have Houck, Bello, Crawford and Giolito for 4 spots with guys like Criswell, Fitts, Perales, Whitlock, Winck as potential SP depth. They also should have plenty of money to spend so I'd personally like to see them make a run at Fried, Burnes or Sasaki. Based off that, Crochet and Luzardo are really the only people with term left that I'd want them to go after. I guess the question is: who are we willing to put on the hook for trade bait?The Big 3 (Mayer, Roman, Teel) are all tearing up AA and just seem mentally built to play in Boston (see Mayer having pictures of duckboats on the background on his phone) - I can’t imagine giving them up between their talent and how close they are to MLB. Perales just got a weird arm injury, even if you were inclined to move him. Bleis and Cespedes with their upside would feel like guys who keep you up at night if you trade them (“did we just do a Tatis-James Shields deal?”). But once you get past those guys I don’t know to extent you have dudes to trade who could net you a Crochet or a Luzardo. It’s tricky. Completely agree, I'm not inclined to trade any of the big 3 unless it's bringing back a bonafide all-star with 3+ years of control. Bleis or Cespedes alone probably don't get the Marlins or the ChiSox to bite and as you said I'd hate to trade either of them anyway. They'd probably have to offer a pure volume type trade with like 3-5 guys from the 7-20 range which even that might not get it done and even if it does would it be worth it to put that type of dent into the farm for a good young pitcher yet one with limited control and plenty of warts? Push comes to shove if they could get one of them for a package headlined by Cespedes I'd probably do it depending on who the other prospects going back are. I wouldn't deal Bleis, he's got all the tools and is a RHH bat that they need even if he's still 2-3 years away. Cespedes being an IF and one that I doubt sticks at SS would make him a little more moveable in my eyes.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 14, 2024 8:12:46 GMT -5
Completely agree, I'm not inclined to trade any of the big 3 unless it's bringing back a bonafide all-star with 3+ years of control. Bleis or Cespedes alone probably don't get the Marlins or the ChiSox to bite and as you said I'd hate to trade either of them anyway. They'd probably have to offer a pure volume type trade with like 3-5 guys from the 7-20 range which even that might not get it done and even if it does would it be worth it to put that type of dent into the farm for a good young pitcher yet one with limited control and plenty of warts? Yeah - and honestly even if were you offered a charcuterie board of meh for a really good pitcher with control, you’d probably have the other team saying to you, “Thanks for the offer, but AJ Preller is on the other line snorting cocaine.” I’m inclined to think a rental starter (or a merely an okay starter with an extra year or so of control) is attainable - but I don’t know enough about how other teams view that upper-middle portion of our farm system.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 14, 2024 8:24:37 GMT -5
Completely agree, I'm not inclined to trade any of the big 3 unless it's bringing back a bonafide all-star with 3+ years of control. Bleis or Cespedes alone probably don't get the Marlins or the ChiSox to bite and as you said I'd hate to trade either of them anyway. They'd probably have to offer a pure volume type trade with like 3-5 guys from the 7-20 range which even that might not get it done and even if it does would it be worth it to put that type of dent into the farm for a good young pitcher yet one with limited control and plenty of warts? Yeah - and honestly even if were you offered a charcuterie board of meh for a really good pitcher with control, you’d probably have the other team saying to you, “Thanks for the offer, but AJ Preller is on the other line snorting cocaine.” I’m inclined to think a rental starter (or a merely an okay starter with an extra year or so of control) is attainable - but I don’t know enough about how other teams view that upper-middle portion of our farm system. I am very bad at projecting trades, I can't even count the amount of times a trade happened and my thought was they gave up that much for him or on the flipside they traded him for just that? Trades are just difficult to project and are dependent on how the other team view the Sox players and vice versa which obviously we are not even close to privy to that info. I agree it shouldn't be all that hard for them to acquire a backend rental or even a guy with 1.5 years of control left but who knows things get wacky at the deadline sometimes.
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Post by bettsonmookie on Jun 14, 2024 11:23:35 GMT -5
Luzardo feels the most realistic to me. I don't expect him to carry a prohibitive price tag much longer.
Miami has no shot at contention before his contract is up, and the "controllable premium" goes down as time goes on. I would imagine they are inclined to move him before long, and would be surprised if he is still in Miami when '25 begins.
With as deep of a system as the Sox have, a highly compelling package can be built for Luzardo without sacrificing the prized prospects.
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Post by itinerantherb on Jun 14, 2024 12:45:26 GMT -5
It looks like he's pitching better than his ERA and that he's still a good pitcher, but the SO rate and batted ball data do suggest a bit of decline. I'd be curious about the cause.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jun 14, 2024 12:52:32 GMT -5
I'd definitely sell and trade Pivetta, Jansen and whoever else is a FA at the end of the year. Maybe move Duran if you can get someone who will pay a big amount in prospects.
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Post by chaimtime on Jun 14, 2024 12:59:12 GMT -5
I'd definitely sell and trade Pivetta, Jansen and whoever else is a FA at the end of the year. Maybe move Duran if you can get someone who will pay a big amount in prospects. Why in the world would they sell Duran? The only reason I can conceive of is to make the ridiculously pessimistic win projections some fans had going into the year closer to reality.
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Post by seamus on Jun 14, 2024 13:20:28 GMT -5
Trading Kenley for any assortment of prospects would make a lot of sense, but I'd rather keep Pivetta, make the QO, and take the draft pick compensation if he can't be re-signed. (I doubt he'd take the QO given his age - he'll want to get that big FA deal as soon as possible.) He's really good, but would he be able to get a Jordan Montgomery-type return with one or two back-end Top 100-ish caliber prospects? Maybe, but I'm not sure that's clearly superior to QO comp (and extra draft pool money) plus a better shot at a 2024 playoff berth.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jun 14, 2024 13:46:16 GMT -5
I'd definitely sell and trade Pivetta, Jansen and whoever else is a FA at the end of the year. Maybe move Duran if you can get someone who will pay a big amount in prospects. Why in the world would they sell Duran? The only reason I can conceive of is to make the ridiculously pessimistic win projections some fans had going into the year closer to reality. If someone was willing to give a Jackson Holliday level prospect for Duran, you pull the trigger for him and not think twice. If you can get a top 10-15 prospect for him, then the trigger needs to be pulled.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 14, 2024 13:48:10 GMT -5
Why in the world would they sell Duran? The only reason I can conceive of is to make the ridiculously pessimistic win projections some fans had going into the year closer to reality. If someone was willing to give a Jackson Holliday level prospect for Duran, you pull the trigger for him and not think twice. If you can get a top 10-15 prospect for him, then the trigger needs to be pulled. Sure why take a top 10-15 player over a top 10-15 prospect? The prospect could even be a top 10-15 player one day!
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Post by seamus on Jun 14, 2024 13:55:22 GMT -5
If this is really who Duran is (and I think it might be), once you factor in team control and cost, I think Skenes may be the only player in all of baseball I'd definitely trade Duran for straight-up (or straight-up with lottery ticket filler one way or the other). I'm sure there are packages that would make sense, but even a guy like Bobby Witt already has a much bigger price tag than Duran.
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